TheFutureIsNear

DH him against righties and see what he is. Give him at least 300 PA’s to start the year before any decisions are made. If he can get 500 PA’s and maintain a .360+ OBP and hit 20 hrs he will be valuable to the Sox. Fill SP and RF with multi year pieces to build on and fill DH with Collins and a cheap RH platoon.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VXqTgcx6Th1fJ8HmqYfeXZXX6HLIDAlOInFyW0Sflz8/edit?usp=sharing + Josh Lindblom for 2/7M (not an option on the spreadsheet) bringing the payroll to 114 This is my "sign Wheeler, but then go full White Sox everywhere else". C- McCann/d'Arnaud- 60/40 split 1B- Abreu 2B- Madrigal SS- TA 3B- Moncada LF- Eloy CF- Robert RF- Markakis/Luery LH/RH split DH- Collins vs RH and Dozier or d'Arnaud vs LH Mendick on the bench Gio Wheeler Cease Lopez Lindblom Kopech Burr/Hamilton/Ruiz Frye Marshall Cordero Rondon Bummer Colome

Greinke‘s contract with the Astros is 2/53M right now...why would that be a negative value? No way Greinke is getting traded for nothing.

For the record Calhoun was credited for 0 DRS last year...Castellanos was -9. Is that negligible? No. But does it make up for the potential 30 point difference in WRC+ between the 2? I don’t think so. Obviously you can’t just ignore the $ difference between the 2 either, but there’s also the point of not having a stop gap and doing this whole process over again next year.

Is he really THAT bad? Can he not improve as a 28 year old new to the OF? It’s not like he’s a horrible athlete that can’t move. He improved drastically from year 1 to year 2 in RF. I see no reason he can’t improve again to be league average. We play in the AL, a small hitters park, and in era that is becoming an increasingly 3 out come game. If scouts feel like Castellanos can become a league average defender he’d be a very good fit imo.

Castellanos- 4/66M Wheeler- 5/110M Hector Rondon- 2/12M Trade with Rockies: Steiver, Rutherford and Sheets for Daniel Murphy and Jon Gray CF- Robert 3B- Moncada RF- Castellanos 1B- Abreu LF- Eloy DH- Murphy SS- TA C- McCann 2B- Madrigal Gio Wheeler Cease Gray Lopez/Kopech

It’s pretty hard to look at many teams and see excess quality pitching... Chris Archer Price/Eovaldi Marco Gonzales Braves have like 8 young arms

“Bunt? Again? They must be on to us, no one can be this stupid”

I don’t subscribe to the athletic so can’t read the whole article...what is the “electronic” part involved before the banging sound? Is someone watching the tv broadcast and able to relay the signal that quickly?

I’d be very interested to see what a Murphy and Gray package would cost us. Rockies are said to be trying to shed payroll and I’m sure Murphy fits that bill and can be had for fairly cheap. Not sure what kind of value Gray adds with 2 years of control tho.

Collins steiver Micker Basabe Rutherford Walker Dunning Sheets Fulmer handful of low level guys that will have some interest Obviously nothing with a ton of value, but some sort of package of 2-3 could get most of that list in my opinion. A guy like Benintendi would obviously require us to take on bad contracts tho.

This is purely speculation on my part. I do not know if all/any of these players are actually available, the list was compiled by looking at teams that have a log jam/surplus at positions we could use. Also not claiming the Sox have the necessary pieces that make sense to make trade for any player. And obviously these players are all of varying degrees of interest. Yankees- Frazier, Bird, Tauchman Red Sox- Benintendi Astros- Reddick A’s- Canha, Olson Mariners- Santana, Haniger Rangers- Calhoun, Mazara Braves- Markakis (cheap club option) Mets- Cano (mets add a lot of $ + young talent), Dom Smith, Nimmo Phillies- Bruce, Franco, Haseley Cubs- Schwarber, Heyward, Happ Reds- Winker Brewers- Travis Shaw, Ben Gamel Pirates- Marte Cardinals- Jose Martinez, Wong Rockies- Daniel Murphy Dodgers- Pederson, Edwin Rios Padres- Franchy Cordero Post any players I forgot and/or trade proposals. We could use some new conversations aside from over analyzing the same 10 or so free agents.

Is there any SP that sets apart as a worthy signing if we miss out on Cole/Stras/Wheeler/Bum/Ryu? Do people feel comfortable paying an Odorizzi/Keuchel type? Or do we give up at that point lol? I guess if we sign 2 of Pineda/Wacha/Wood/Porcello but add offense I wouldn’t be too disappointed, but I don’t want to see us overspending on the 2nd tier of this free agent SP class out of desperation.

Just the idea of the same 2 guys who ran the team into the point of a complete rebuild as the only option getting the reigns of that very same rebuild? I mean, yikes...it doesn’t even pass the common sense test. And the sad part is that I can see Hahn getting himself fired eventually. But the real puppet master KW? Have a scary feeling we may be stuck with him as long as JR is alive

I think Harris and Smith are out of price range/don’t make total sense. I’d be looking to simply stabilize the bullpen, it’s too volatile of a position for the Sox to spend big $ on the pen at the moment in my opinion. I’d wait until we are legit WS contenders. Basically make it so that the pen isn’t killing you. Both mlbtraderumors and fangraphs have Hudson at 2/12...all I can go by

Wheeler- 20M Castellanos- 16M Encarnacion- 10M Hudson- 6M Add a 2-3 arms on minor league deals, maybe try to finagle a cheap backup defensive C depending on what they really feel about Collins’ defensive abilities. Brings the final 26 man roster to around $128M total payroll. Wheeler and Castellanos are good pieces to add to the core while EE keeps a spot warm for Vaughn. Not going to win a World Series or anything close in 2020, but could compete for the division and be 1 step closer to adding 1 or 2 final pieces to finish off the roster in the following off season...depending on development of course

Hey I hear ya...I’m not trying to take away your ability to dream lol. Not even trying to criticize your moves. Just pointing out that after arb, Abreu (we all know he’s not going anywhere), and filling the roster to 26 you have to start your off season at around $70M. Adding $100M is definitely a dream, I’ll be happy if they get to $60.

You’re assumed roster should be around $72ish I believe...that’s including Abreu at the QO. So you’re at around $175M final payroll. Good luck with that...

Can we at least try to avoid going full Jace Fry on Bummer?? Or does this board HAVE to severely overrate every Sox player that has some success? It’s not like his peripherals were phenomenal and his FIP certainly doesn’t match up....I have a hard time believing any team is giving Bummer an evaluation of 10’s of millions right now

I’m not going to pretend I’ve watched much of Castellanos playing D, but he did drastically improve in most, if not all, metrics in RF from year 1 to year 2. Granted he was still poor in RF this past year, but is it not possible a guy his age continues to improve in his 3rd year at a new position? We don’t need him to be a good OF’er per say, he just can’t hurt the team in the field. DRS- 2018: -19, 2019: -9 UZR- 2018: -12.9, 2019: -5.2 Even just getting those 2 #’s to 0 and he’s probably a 3.5 WAR player.

Lindblom is pretty interesting to me. He was a fairly legit prospect at 1 point and has had some short term success in the big leagues at 1 point. The model to transition back over to the states has had some success too

While I’m with you on McCann, my concern is that Grandal won’t be a viable C in 3 years. The idea of paying a 33/34 year old Grandal 16-18M to be a 1B/DH for 2 years isn’t exactly appealing. All for EE as a DH too. He’s too good of a hitter to be upset about having. Especially on a 1 year deal for $12M max.

I think I’m starting to narrow in on Wheeler as the must have for me. That would at least give me hope for the future of having a potentially very good staff to compete in the playoffs. Patching RF and DH while waiting to see what Robert, Madrigal, Collins, and Vaughn add to the lineup in the near future is a spin that at least makes some sense...even if I don’t really want to see it go that way. Wheeler, Encarnacion, Calhoun, Lindblom, Hector Rondon (or pick your favorite mid priced RP) ....that’s an extremely realistic off season I could live with.

Yes my opinion...just like it’s your opinion. Only difference is I’m not a giant douche that talks on the internet like I have inside information like you are trying to do.

I get it, but you’re still way over simplifying the situation. The majority of players with multiple similar offers aren’t just going to blankly tell their agent “don’t care what city, just the highest $ amount”...they have families, preferences, etc...But again, I’m talking about a few mil difference over a large multi year deal. If the Sox are offering someone $100M and the next closest offer is $85M of course it will be a no brainer decision. But if it’s $100M vs $95M i don’t seem how an abundance of factors wouldn’t come into play. I also don’t think every player would be anti-Sox/Chicago for what it’s worth...