TheFutureIsNear

Holland definitely looks better than I was expecting. Little more zip to his fastball than I thought. And I kinda wish Saladino could stay at 2b....

I want 0 parts of Josh Bell as the #1 hitting prospect we get back for Q. Meadows or bust from the Pirates, even if it means no Glasnow. Meadows, Keller, + 1 of Newman/Hayes/Craig + a lotto ticket young arm.

Am I way off thinking the Yankees could hold on to both Torres and Frazier and get a deal done? Maybe it would take a 5th prospect instead of 4, but I'm not so sure a depth package isn't best for us anyway. 3 of- Rutherford, Mateo, Andujar, and Fowler 2 of- Sheffield, Kaprielian, Adams, Accevedo I'm sure the 2 sides could up with a package of 4 or 5 out of those that works for both parties.

Same needs to be done with Avi now before his contract becomes guaranteed.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 12:30 PM) Catching defense is something that has been viewed as more and more important over time, even if only for a backup Teams really value depth at the catcher position, and scouts seem to think that Severino could have a lengthy career as a glove first backup. His ceiling could be a regular if the hit tool develops further Getting Severino plus a quality prospect would be a very good deal Glove 1st catchers aren't hard to find. Finding 1 with the ability to hold their own at the plate is hard to find. Severino hasn't demonstrated the ability to do so in the minors, so not sure why you'd think he can in the majors. It's not like he's a fringe guy either, he can barely maintain a .650 OPS in the high minors. That's called a career minor league player. If he's a throw in piece, sure, we'll take him, but if he's the main piece in a Robertson trade now I'd rather just keep him for now.

.265/.300/.340 18 steals

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Feb 5, 2017 -> 08:22 PM) What's the purpose of Levine writing such a definitive statement? Because whether the trade happens in the next few weeks or at the deadline "soon" is vague enough to cover all basis for him. Doesn't exactly take a genius to know Q will be traded sooner or later. If he was really that confident he would have been more specific about the trade happening before the season.

Is Yohander Mendez, Andy Ibanez, Leoddy Taveras, + enough? I guess it depends what offers are/aren't out there, but I think I'd rather just wait until deadline if something like this is really the best offer.

350 AB's .282/.335/.440 12 HR's 10 steals

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 06:45 PM) TOR starters dont have an ERA of 4. And for those who are FIP adherents Archer's FIP wasn't much better. He struck a lot of guys out and pitched 200 innings, which is good, but he wasn't very effective last year. Definitely wouldn't go into 2017 expecting him to be anything more than a 3, and a good one at that. He could certainly bounce back and pitch like a 2 (he's never really been a 1, and neither has Quintana) but I wouldn't count on it. So because it fits your agenda you're going to choose last years #'s alone and ignore the other 500+ innings of sub 3.35 ERA in his career? Like no other pitcher has ever had a down year before? Makes total sense... I'm not saying Archer should have more value than Q, but thy are certainly very comparable talents despite different pitching styles. Don't think it would shock anyone if Archer was slightly better than Q in 2017.

Yeah no way anyone gives us anything for Lawrie. 37 yer old Chase Utley gave them 2 WAR last year. Lawrie hasn't been able to do that since 2012

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) I don't know, as much as I want the Astros to get desperate enough to get a deal done for Q, I feel like that kind of bias is leading posters here to underrate them. Their rotation is suspect and they could definitely use Quintana, but their offense and bullpen should be near the top of the AL. The Royals' rotation is even more suspect and this will probably be their weakest bullpen in years (I'd probably put it in the bottom half of the league at this point). The Tigers are still relying on a bunch of mid-30s players and have plenty of rotation concerns themselves. The Rangers' rotation is very top heavy and even with their top 2 Darvish has health concerns and Hamels is a year older after seeing his walk rate go up significantly. I also think their offense is pretty overrated. Seattle looks interesting but I still think they have more question marks than Houston does. I just don't see why any of these teams should be favored ahead of the Astros right now. Agreed, their offense is pretty damn great. They can field 9 really good hitters in the same lineup. Pitching and D may be a little shaky, but they could probably mash their way to 88 wins without any pitching upgrades as we speak. And they seem pretty determined to get a pitcher eventually, whether it be Q or someone else. Altuve Bregman Correra Springer Reddick McCann Beltran Gurriell Gattis/Aoki I sure wouldn't want to have to face that lineup...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) Frazier put up a 2.4 WAR in 2016 a down year for him. It would be a career high for Trumbo. Napoli was a 1.0 WAR guy. Chances are Baltimore still overpaid. It seems contenders aren't looking for a 3B right now. Eventually at least a couple will be through injury or poor performance. Frazier improves his BABIP, and keeps his career best walk rate up, he should be a coveted guy during the season. Melky, the Sox will probably have to eat some cash unless he is just smoking the ball. You call it a down year, I call it a guy who clearly isn't a good hitter anymore. Frazier's entire approach at the plate is awful and has been for 1,000+ AB's now, I don't see that suddenly changing. So yeah, it's nice that he plays a pretty good 3B, but if he can't prove he's capable of hitting better than .230/.310 he's going to be pretty worthless at the deadline.

Hopefully cut before spring training....

Only $12M per for Trumbo...crazy, 5 years ago he probably gets a contract bordering on $100M. I think it might be real tough to get anything other than a couple lotto ticket 19 year olds for Frazier and Melky if/when they do get moved.

.238/.316/.462 36 HR's and 90 RBI's

14-9, 202 IP, 3.33 ERA, 180 K's. 1.2 WHIP

450 or so AB's.....255/.300/.410 with 7 HR's, 10 steals and his usual stellar D. He's either a slightly above average starting 2B or a very good UTL guy

Love all the people trying to push Collins out of C when they've never even seen the kid play. All reports have him making good progress and it hasn't even been a full year yet. Collins is the C of the future until he proves he can't do it at the MLB level. If his catching was as bad as people around here make it out to be he would have been moved already. Anyway...I still find it hard to believe the Astros don't finally get the deal done. Been saying all along that it makes way too much sense for them. I'd rather see us get a haul from the Yankees though. Frazier, Mateo/Rutherford, Kaprielian/Sheffield is my preferred package. Sounded like Cashman is balking at that but who knows, could all just be posturing.

.244/.310/.395 But I really hope I'm not subjected to an entire season of Avi starting. Don't know if I could deal with that mentally

.290/.345/.490 with 29 HR's

Just a thought but is it possible everyone is taking the Cashman "3 elite prospects" thing a little too literal? Every GM overrates their own players/prospects. For all we know Hahn asked for something pretty reasonable like Frazier, Kaprielian and Andjuar + an A baller and Cashman is overplaying his guys to the media. Kaprielian and Andjuar are both very good prospects, but I wouldn't lump either into the elite category. Then again the entire term "elite" is relative and subject to interpretation. I honestly don't believe Hahn would have demanded Torres and Frazier + a top pitching prospect and not budged though. On paper the Yankees are a great match and have a lot to offer, to be that stubborn doesn't seem practical or benificial. I just think what a lot of others have been saying, Cashman is building something and holding onto his prospects and a deal was never going to happen.

Yeah really doesn't make sense for the braves to trade Albies now. Wonder how enticing a Maitan, Acuna, Soraka, Riley package would be to Hahn? A lot of risk in that those guys are all far off, but could also be a potential goldmine as well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) Cool gif of Collins working behind the plate. Maybe a framing exercise? https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/819267851043438592 Definitely a very cool inside look. It's a drill to teach him to catch the ball while moving his hand as little as possible. So yeah, would play a big role in framing. We saw our catchers move enough pitches outside of the strike zone last year.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 07:49 PM) How many prospects in the game are worth a damn to you? 10? 20? Glasnow, Bell, & Newman are all legit top 50 prospects. If you're s***ting on all these guys, you are going to be incredibly dissapointed with our Quintana return. Take a look at the actual players instead of the prospect # in front of their name. Obviously both Bell and Newman have value and aren't bad by any means, but both deserve some scrutiny if we are trading a top SP for them. Do you really want the badly needed hitting prospects we get back for Q to possibly be a 2B and 1B that might not be able to hit 25 hr's between them? I'm all for the depth and we obviously need it, but no position value and no potential impact bat in return would worry me. It's not a deal anyone should cry over, but wanting a potential impact bat for Q shouldn't be unreasonable. And I don't believe the Pirates can offer that if Meadows isn't involved.