TheFutureIsNear

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 08:57 AM) I don't see how any team can give fair value for either of them. Both are under very friendly contracts and neither are in their prime years yet. I don't think that you should trade them at all. You've got Sale, Q, Rodon, Fulmer right now. You're set for pitching for the next 4-5 years. How many other teams can say that? Their "value" isn't helping this team win and there's no help coming from the minors. We need to figure out how to get 4-5 good young position players infused into this team, and like it or not Sale and Q represent the only chance of getting that

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:09 PM) If you are talking bullpen, Jones is the top trade chit. Saw what the Mariners did today? Made a move. Not really selling- just a half a step back for a good chance at 2 steps forward. Improved their organization - Vogelbach isn't that far away. Kind of like the Eaton trade...Hahn's best score, but one he refuses to repeat. Pretty much my point. I'm not worried about losing the setup man on a bad team for a chance to trade for a young position player. Jones is better than Montgomery and Vogelbach would instantly be our best hitting prospect besides maybe Collins (not counting Anderson).

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 04:18 PM) Shields is debatable...In a full rebuild, absolutely. But if they are going to just retool and reload to contend in 2017, I might actually keep him because the market to get a SP is off the charts right now. Not saying that Shields would garner much interest, but rather we would be left with a hole that would require some deep pocket investing to fill. Boston just traded "The next Pedro Martinez" level prospect to get Pomeranz. Right now, Shields is at least serviceable and has #3 starter upside. Free agent pickins' are slim this off-season, that means the mediocre SPs are going to be overpriced. Shields is only costing us cash ($11M/year for the next 2 years--which is low for a #3 SP). We got him on a big discount and if he pitches like he has, he can be useful. We can always flip him next year if we tank again. Jones. I think you hold Jones because of his contract. They signed him at a setup man price, but have a potential closer should they decide to move Robertson. He's an injury risk, but could very well be the closer of the future for us. I think you'll see them keep both of these players for the rest of the season. Just my prediction! It was rebuild time 3 years ago...now it's blow it up and run it over with a bulldozer time. Will it actually happen? Most likely not, just saying what I would do. I don't see anyway this team gets better without getting a lot worse 1st. Setup man and #4 starter are the least of my worries for the 2017 Sox to be honest with you. If I were GM I would be in full blown tank mode from now until the end of '18 simply trying to acquire as many assets as possible. Of course most fans don't want to hear that, but in my opinion it's the best way to make this team a championship contender again. Sick of watching this front office trying to patch a crumbling foundation only to watch it fall down again.

If Shields can string together another 2 good starts I think there's a real possibility we could flip him for more than we gave up. Am I the only that would gauge interest on Nate Jones too? I know he's young and controlled, but I can't be the only 1 that sees his elbow going again before too long. I wouldn't just trade him for the sake of getting rid of him, but with the # of contenders looking for backend bullpen help he might be able to net us a pretty good prospect.

Sale + Robertson for McCullers, Joe Musgrove, Kyle and Preston Tucker, JD Davis, Teoscar Hernandez, and James Hoyt

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 09:45 AM) It has been pretty clear for a while that Robertson no longer has Closer stuff, at least since Robertson allowed 6 out of 7 runs in the ninth to blow a 7 run lead and lose to the Royals at the end of May. Just like he did in that game , Ventura sat and watched Robertson implode instead of getting him out of there, or going out to the mound himself to calm him down and perhaps mpart some useful information...like how to pitch guys. Robertson vs. Adam Lind had disaster written all over it. It was like you knew it was going to happen. The season is not over, but someone has to take responsibility for things to chanage. Demote Robertson from Closer status or trade him and re-assign Ventura to West coach scout. Really? Of all the scapegoats you can possibly go for you choose Robertson? Last night and the non save situation you mentioned are pretty much the only blips on his resume. He's been pretty damn good otherwise with only 1 or 2 normal hiccups along the way. You can blame a lot of things on a lot of guy's, but I don't understand how you think demoting a closer who has 3 blown saves and 2 L's on a very crappy team is going to solve anything. Trading him because the season is indeed over and we don't need a closer? That would have been a much better rant to go on...

Frazier, Melky, and Robertson all need to go at the deadline. Those 3 clearly won't be here when/if the team is in contention. In the off season is when "they" (hopefully "they" are new) have to sit down and honestly think about moving 1, or more, of Abreu, Sale, or Q. There just flat out isn't enough talent in the organization and the sooner they can admit that the better off the team will be.

This honestly might be one of the most difficult teams to watch I've ever seen. The inability to string together any kind of offense together what so ever is beyond pathetic. Aside from Eaton, Melky, and Abreu none of these guys bring a professional hitters approach to the plate. It's all just a bunch of guys who go up there hacking at anything remotely close. The amount of K's being tallied against this team by mediocre pitching should be embarrassing enough to get people fired and traded. But honestly, are these problems just what this organization is at this point? Because it doesn't seem like anything matters at this point, there just seems to be a sheer lack of ability to either scout talent or coach and develop it....or (probably) both. This whole thing just needs to be utterly blown to pieces starting from KW all the way down to the minor league coaches and everyone in between. It would probably be a long rebuild, but it would be better than the black hole of below average this team has been for going on 5 straight years now.

Lucroy isn't getting this offense anywhere, so this thread is pretty pointless. We need way more than just 1 guy to even think about seriously competing r

No interest in trading Fulmer and I don't think we have enough to get Lucroy without him. Of course I'd love him but we just have nothing to trade for any top flight guys sadly.

Astros have a huge log jam of hitters now after signing Gurriel and they still have Bregman loudly banging on the door in the minors. Gattis is going to turn into a part time DH, has been sent down once already, and hasn't broken out of a slump all year. I'm not exactly sure what we have that they would want, but I could definitely see them wanting to move him to free up a bench spot for a better defensive player. He could be a good buy low candidate as our DH/occasional LF/occasional backup C who can bring a lot of pop. He'd probably hit a ton of bombs in Chicago in the hot summer months heading into the playoffs. Terrible idea or worth a shot?

Navarro is pretty brutal behind the plate. Gives the pitcher no help at all

Man this team is hard to watch. They just can't string hits together to save their lives

Mike Trout is the obvious answer....imagine how nice Fowler would look at the top of the lineup if the front office would have bucked up for him though. RF- Eaton CF- Fowler 1B- Abreu 3B- Frazier RF- Melky 2B- Lawrie DH- Avi/Morneau C- Navarro SS- Anderson

We really need another late inning reliever badly. What little we have is going to break down by August because we rely on them so heavily. Poor bullpen depth + a bad offense is a bad mixture.

Just comical at this point. This organization turns everything it touches to crap somehow. Full on rebuild. Burn it down and build it back up

Well this isn't an ideal start...

1.Ray 2.Moniak 3.Senzel 4.Lewis 5.Puk 6.Pint 7.Rutherford 8.Dunn 9.Collins That's my big board for #10. Love Groome's potential but don't think we are taking him if he falls because he's going to want a ridiculous amount of $ to sign. Anyone outside of those 10 and I will be really disappointed. Please no easy to sign college pitcher with the ceiling of a #3 most of all though.

Moniak Senzel Ray Rutherford Lewis Give me any 1 of those 5 at 10 and I'll be very happy. I kinda like the idea of Burdi from Louisville with the comp pick. Big fastball as a college reliever but has the secondary pitches to think he could develop as a starter...if not could contribute early as a reliever.

This team is awesome...all I have to say.

What a play by Saladino. Need more of him in the field. Put Rollins at DH if for whatever reason Robin wants him in the lineup

1st ever intentional walk with the bases loaded? Only 1/2 kidding

Going to be a long night for EJ if he doesn't spot the fastball. Not going to throw it by too many more guys at 92.

Uh oh

Must get runs. Can't keep runs on the bases vs boston's offense