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QUOTE (daggins @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 06:03 PM) I regret to inform the thread that greg is at it again.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 05:12 PM) You win. I was going to say this is thread from 2013 about trading Viciedo for a case of beer, but you win. Ha ha, Viciedo for a case of beer does ring a bell. Lol, can you imagine the comments made by drinkers in reference to Beer, Jameson and Pint? It would be nuts if all three were in the Sox farm system. Has all the makings of a great train wreck.

I'll go with Hansen and Fisher. Really,really like what I've read about both players.

We already have Jameson so why not a Beer? If only the Sox could snag Pint from the Rockies somehow...

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) Archer is not likely to be traded unless for a massive haul. Tampa would have to enter full rebuild in order for that to happen and I just don't see it right now. Grienke/Verlander are owed a ton of money, making it tough(er) to get a deal done without the seller eating a huge chunk of the contract Quintana is a very attractive piece because the contract is reasonable, and he's in his prime I don't know, maybe I see it differently but do agree Q is a very attractive piece. If Archer rebounds and the Rays struggle, I think Archer goes on the market and gives buyers a very good alternative to Q. The Sox need the Rays to compete so they keep their pitchers off the trade market. As for Verlander, similar to Archer and Rays, the Sox need Detroit to compete to keep Verlander off the market. Verlander's age and contract make him less valuable but if Detroit includes money in a Verlander trade, he becomes rather attractive. Verlander won't cost the prospects that Q and Archer would which combined with Detroit eating money makes Verlander a good alternative. An alternative that I think Cashman and the Yanks would like. I agree ya on Grienke, that dude is going nowhere.

I'd give it to May and see what his speed and switch hitting can do at the top of the order. The kid wasn't expected to make the 25 man roster and yet here he is so f*** it, throw him in the #1 hole.

Went with 68-71 wins. They could be worse but that depends on how long it takes to trade Q, Frazier, Melky, Robertson and possibly Jones. If the Sox can move these guys by the deadline, the second half will be pretty ugly in the loss column. I'm not cheering for losses and I will watch the games with hopes of the Sox winning, but I do accept that losing is a part of rebuilding so cheering for losses feels kind of redundant. Losses will happen but I will still cheer for them to win.

About time. I like the Sox chances against Verlander so I'm guessing Sox win 3-2. Q gets the win which is followed by five straight no decisions.

Lol, I do like Ken's sense of humor. The Q rumors are going to be crazy this summer.

Funny thing about the Astros and their fans is that Martes/Tucker is slightly less than Giolito/Lopez from the Eaton trade. Martes and Tucker is a reasonable starting point.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) He's am aging veteran ... and he's NOT an ace!

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) It's possible for him to get a Sale return. But that would require a)no regression and b)limited supply of pitchers in July. I think those factors are far more likely to go against the Sox than move in the Sox favor. What indications are there that point towards a regression from Q? His track record is solid and shows no signs of regressing so there's no reason for me to think he will. In fact, Q looks better than ever. As for pitching. How many pitchers of Q's caliper and team friendly contract are out there? Maybe Archer but he needs to show he can rebound from last year before he can be considered in the same class as Q. I still believe that waiting is the right call and that somebody will blink but if for some reason teams won't meet the asking price for Q, then I have no problem watching him pitch for the Sox over the next four years.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:15 PM) Liriano can't play CF. Leury is backup CF. Doesn't change much. Bench of: Sanchez, Leury, Soto, and Asche IMO. Lol, the Sox will have the lightest hitting OF in the majors. Ha ha, Frazier will probably supply more power than all three starting outfielders. QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:17 PM) Had no idea that Bourjos supported LaRoche Maybe Bourjos is a Duck Dynasty fan too?

Would a Bourjos trade mean May and Liriano share CF?

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 04:20 PM) One of the more impressive things I've heard from the Sox beat is that Giolito is an extremely mature dude especially for his age. This makes me confident that whatever hurdles that he is going to face he will handle it like a boss. Well said. Giolito has issues to work on but I think it's important to remember he is only 22 so even if he takes another year or two to finish developing, so be it. No rush while in rebuild mode. I do think the velo drop is something to keep an eye on but it's just ST. If the velo is still low come mid summer, then I'll be concerned. Hopefully it's just his arm needing more time to stretch out.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 04:45 PM) Funny thing is if WBC version of Q is here from the get go, he'd command an equal or more Sale package at the deadline if a starter goes down. Yep, it's a gamble, but one worth taking. All the Sox need is for Q to be Q and the return will be bountiful enough but if he can get off to a career year kind of start, whoaaa mama! If that happens, look out for the arm-chair GM's that will say the Sox traded Sale too soon.

Quick question. WTF does JR's ownership and the "conspiracy" rebuild have to do with Lucas Giolito's FB velocity drop and CB spin rate? I swear some folks complain for the sake of complaining and if there was nothing to complain about, they would complain about that too. Lighten up Sox fans and be glad baseball is back after a long winter.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 24, 2017 -> 08:39 AM) I have a feeling that something will happen soon. How do you know, did you take some ex-lax?

225 Twinkies? Has Yoan been hanging out with Afroman, Jay & Silent Bob? I guess we know why Tallahassee was so pissed in Zombieland. Holy hell that's alot of sugar.

Alone I sit broken hearted, I came to poop but only farted.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 03:23 PM) Isn't that kind of irrelevant since there has been a ton of turnover on the roster? The only significant turnover on the Sox offense is Eaton. The Sox still have Abreu, Frazier, Melky, Soto and Avi that are familiar with Verlander.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 01:59 PM) Can't wait to be there Opening Day. Q vs. Verlander baby. Should be a lot of fun. IIRC, the Sox have hit Verlander in the past so the Sox might start the season 1-0. It could be the only time we see them above .500 so at least they would be division leaders if only for a day.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 02:59 PM) So hes a top 5 prospect because he got hot during the afl? His stats in A ball are pedestrian Pedestrian for a bat coming out of the college draft at 21 years old but not for a 19 year old kid playing his first full season at A+ ball. I don't know the numbers for sure but I can't imagine there being too many 19 year olds playing A+ ball. There's alot of talent and projection in Torres.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) I think you guys are both missing the mocking going on here. Bingo. I was just poking fun at the Yankee A ball prospects being Schmucks yet the headliner in a trade would have to be Torres, an A ball player. Just found it to be humorous is all.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) You're wrong. Just sayin'. Really? http://www.baseball-reference.com/register...id=torres000gle