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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/03/red-...p;post-id=87757 Boston still looking for a starting pitcher.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 20, 2017 -> 07:26 AM) Even if any of these things are true, neither of the repeatedly injured Rutherford, nor the 18 IP-in-A+ Kaprelian, nor Mateo have proven enough to be the centerpiece to a trade for Q, full stop. All three may have substantial upside, as you claim. But at the same time, all three are far enough away from The Show, or have significant flaws as well. The Prospect Industrial Complex routinely over rates prospects, and history has shown that most of them fail. So, if you're trading away a PROVEN, TOR, LHP, @ that contract for a pile of A-ball schmucks, you're doing it wrong. The equation remains Torres ++ is what the Yankees have to give up. No Torres = No Q. Hell, they got Torres for a few months of a reliever. A GREAT reliever (with off the field issues, BTW ), but still "just" a reliever. This fandom has to be patient, rather than pining for the quick trade of the best pitching asset on the market for a pile of A-ball schmucks that haven't proven anything. Getting less than full value for Q will set this franchise back for YEARS, so better to wait for another club to become desperate. Torres has yet to play above A ball. Torres = schmuck. Just sayin'...

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 19, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) I've been reading the recent Fangraphs articles about the top prospects and future values ( http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-top-100-prospects/ and http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valuing-the...-100-prospects/ ) and I am convinced that when the Sox do trade Quintana that obtaining position player prospects is very important. The thing I get from these articles is that positional player talent is more valuable and easier to predict upside than pitchers because pitchers get injured more and low upside pitching is more valuable than low upside hitters. The Sox have received mostly high end pitchers in the Sale and Eaton trades and while that is very good it appears organization are aware that pitching is more of a crap shoot than hitters. This appears to be the difficulty with trading with the Yankees or Astros because they likely aren't budging on positional player talent because they are more predictable and, also, in some cases , plan to replace older players . The best bet at the trade deadline appears to lie with either the Yankees or Astro's contending but still needing a starting pitcher to make them World Series candidates. This is not news of course. But it also appears to me that even though a trade with the Cubs would seem unlikely ,they have to be considered among the teams that may end up needing starting pitching help and also have good position talent. Lackey is likely to regress sooner rather than later. Lester isn't getting any younger though is very consistently good . Arrieta showed a few cracks in the armor and Hendricks seemingly came out of nowhere to dominate. They just can't be as good as they were last year. All it will take is a likely Lackey regression, 5th starter problems and some regression from their excellence of 2016 and 1 injury . Unfortunately with their defense a lot of regression from anyone besides Lackey may not be likely. A heavy workload from the last season could also effect them. But since the baseball gods are fickle and with the Cubs having some high end positional talent it would behoove the Sox to consider trading with the Cubs if the situation warrants. Hahn & Co. cannot afford to overlook the Cubs just because they compete in the same city with them. QUOTE (Soha @ Mar 19, 2017 -> 03:20 PM) The Cubs absolutely make the most sense for Quintana. Not only would Quintana fill a huge need for them, both now and even more so in the future. But they are possibly the only team in baseball that would have high-end position prospects and it would make sense for them to move them. I suspect Theo might be interested in a Eloy Jimenez + Ian Happ ++ trade for Quintana. I'm not sure Jerry or KW would sign off on it though. I am definitely with you guys. I've been saying all winter long that the cubs make a ton of sense. Jimenez is a few years away, Candelerio is blocked at 3B, Happ is blocked at 2B/LF/RF. The cubs could trade all three and would not miss them in the least bit. Jimenez/Happ/Candelerio would be a nice haul for Q and that haul should be in between the Sale/Eaton trades as far as value is concerned. Hopefully Rick and Theo see it the same way.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 16, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) The 2017 draft appears to be a decent draft year, but 2018 is looking to be better at this point This year is stocked with college arms, but seems light on high school position players I think you're right, it does look to be heavier on pitchers. The Sox love their college arms (TA/ Collins being exceptions) in the first round so there should be a good one available at #11.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 17, 2017 -> 06:14 PM) He's working on a change and curve. Coop like's his starters to have 4 pitches. Not sure if a 2 seamer and 4 seamer count as 2 pitches, so fast ball , slider, curve, change . That's what I thought. Pretty sure I read something recently that Kopech was working on a CB. The third strikeout looked like a 12-6 hammer and not a Slider. If he can harness a four pitch mix, man is he going to be nasty. Kopech's potential reminds me of a few other Texans, Josh Beckett and Kerry Wood.

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/video/v1240940383 Has Kopech added a CB to his arsenal? That third strike out looked to be on a 12-6 hammer. Pretty wicked pitch.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 17, 2017 -> 12:05 PM) I dislike the Farmer/DJ combo a lot more than Benetti. Farmer seems so monotonous and DJ is just boring. Ha ha. The way you feel about DJ and Farmer is how I feel about Hawk and Benetti. I do miss Stone's commentary but I just can't bare the sound of Hawk and Benetti anymore so I go with Farmer and DJ. I do miss Farmer and Stone together on the radio, they were fun to listen to.

While I can appreciate his Sox homerism, I grew tired of his constant complaining about the umps years ago. He's the biggest reason I listen to the radio while watching the TV on mute. I wish him nothing but the best but IMHO it's time to move on.

Not sure if anyone is familiar with a local band named Twin Peaks but they are playing at the Empty Bottle on March 29th. One of their guitar players introduced himself to the wife and I while at a show last November and was fun to talk music with. From what I can tell they are all good dudes.

Sad indeed. Hopefully others will learn from this and not make the same mistakes.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Mar 16, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) If championships are mentioned in farm system rankings, it's over-rated. If you're using your farm to build a champion on the field, it isn't. Teams aren't going to give up can't miss prospects very often. A FO (Hahn/Williams) better be adept at finding developing players and "diamonds in the rough" who are going to be can't miss in a year. And another reason you need depth is to trade it to plug holes when you are a contender. Great point. How many of us would have been willing to trade Anderson during the last few years? Not me. I can see why teams are reluctant to trade certain players because they have that talent lined up to replace a current player. Meadows for Cutch, Keller for Cole, Torres for Gregorius/Headly, Frazier/Judge to replace Gardner/Hicks/Holliday etc. I would imagine that makes trade discussions difficult because on one side were talking about high end prospects that a team has plans for and on the flipside were talking about a very good pitcher in Q who is worth a haul. Something has got to give and it won't be the Sox since they can simply wait until the market comes to them. With four years of control left on Q, the Sox have plenty of time to wait this out and get the haul were all waiting for. If not, f*** it, I won't complain about Q pitching for the Sox over the next four years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) When I looked at it, the Yankees top half of position prospects is better than any prospect the White Sox still have in the minors that was acquired any later than the 2016 draft. Even past Torres/Frazier, you look at Rutherford, Mateo, Andujar, Judge, Garcia, McKinney, etc, and those guys who have all been top 3 prospects for the White Sox in the 2015-2016 off-season. These are all really good prospects. We probably aren't talking about superstar ceilings, but a lot of solid to good players that will give you a positive impact year in and year out. Just because a guy is rated #10 in the Yankees system, and not a top 100 guy, doesn't mean there aren't some very good major league players to be found there. Agree with everything you say. The Q rumors had me looking at so many teams and their players that I started looking more outside the top 100. One thing I noticed is there's plenty of non ranked talent out there. Four players I really like in the Yanks farm are Fowler, Andujar, Montgomery and Adams. None are top 100 but are still good quality prospects, IMHO. I know I wouldn't complain if a few of those guys were part of a bigger package for Q.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) So that we can repeat the exact same thing that got us into this mess? Nah. Don't get me wrong, stars are great. But a lack of depth and balance has cost us for the better part of a decade now. No need to make the same mistakes again. Absolutely. I look at it this way... the Yanks have Torres, Frazier, Judge, Andujar, Mateo, Rutherford and Mateo to offer the Sox in a trade for Q. Now, look at the position players in the Sox farm and ask yourself, how many position players do the Sox have that can equal or exceed what the Yanks have to offer? My point is that most of, if not all of those Yanks prospects I listed are better than what the Sox already have. Well, excluding Moncada of course. IMHO, a rebuilding team is not only about building the next winner but building future winners for years to come. Depth throughout the minors allows talent to flow upwards towards the majors in waves.The Cards are a great example of what I'm talking about. Year in and year out they are in the division race and have a solid farm with plenty of depth to either call up or to be used in trades. I'll happily take a depth package in a trade for Q. Especially if the package brings back two or three good quality position players.

I really don't see the writer as trolling the Sox. He's just bluntly telling it like it is.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) Take a look at who is 4th. https://twitter.com/darenw/status/841698434637811716 Daren Willman‏Verified account @darenw Comparing the most batted balls 115 MPH+ recorded by @statcast since 2015. Stanton hits the ball pretty hard compared to the field The hardest hitting ground ball machine in all of baseball. Dude is a legend. Seriously though. I am surprised Avi is that high on the list. I would not have guessed.

Smart me by Holland. Sign with a team that has a good pitching coach and training staff to get things back on track. If all goes well, he could find himself pitching for a contender in July.

QUOTE (daggins @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) Now Tom Murphy has a broken arm. Out 4-6 wks. This is really incredible. Rizzo's prayers have been answered.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:05 PM) They're pulling a 2015-2016 bizzaro Sox This would be the best explanation I've heard yet. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:23 PM) Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan 49m49 minutes ago Jose Quintana back here with White Sox this morning. Welcome back Ace!

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 10:27 AM) I also just think with their injuries this year, the Rockies are even less likely than the Braves to grab an ace pitcher. on EW podcast they asked their Rockies writer to give a win total and they said 74, before Desmond was even injured. It isn't a go-for-it year anymore. I really do not get what the Rox are doing. They appear to be hording all the outfielders they can get their hands on but aren't doing much to help their pitching. It's like they are half-assed going for it. Was nice talking about trade packages over the winter but I've given up on the idea of the Rox trading for Q, period. Still believe the Yanks, Pirates, Astros will be in the mix and teams like the Jays, Dodgers, cubs and Braves could become more serious as we get closer to July. I expect a handful of teams to seriously pursue Q as we get into July.

Things that make you go hmmmmm. It amazes how one could still be in denial about the Sox rebuild after all the things the Sox FO has said and done so far this winter.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:38 AM) Dare I say it? Don't, just don't. It's too soon.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:16 AM) Never go full Greg. How about full Monty?

If the Sox were to entertain the idea of trading Saladino for prospects it would be next winter. First he would need a successful '17 season as a full time position player to build trade value. I'd prefer to keep Saladino and see him as the White Sox version of Boston's Brock Holt. Saladino is going to prove himself to be quite valuable during this rebuild. His versatility is great to have and man is he's a blast to watch running around the bases.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 01:40 PM) A guy who plays SS can likely play any position on the diamond outside of the battery. The Sox aren't going to turn down a SS prospect they love because of TA. You get all the best players up the middle and hope you have to worry about their positions later. Not really seeing your. I never said the Sox would turn down a chance to get guys like Torres or Mateo. I just pointed out that the writer makes the Sox sound as though they don't have a SS and are in desperate need of one, which is simply not true. I've been saying all winter long the Sox should grab hitting talent regardless of the position they play.

http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2017/0..._to_yankee.html Wow. It's like the Sox don't have a kid named Tim Anderson at SS. Not that the Sox wouldn't be interested in Torres/Mateo but the failure to mention TA in the article tells me the writer doesn't know much about baseball outside of the Bronx. I really need to find better things to read in my free time.