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And this comes back to points already made that you are ignoring. If Hahn kept his mouth shut fans would be b****ing about how the Sox didn't go after these guys. Too many fans took the words from the front office as well as twatter "insiders" and read into it what they wanted to hear. In fact it's still going on.

Absolutely! And to add to that, Hahn has KW and JR over his head that can nix any deal Hahn makes but also tell Hahn to make a deal Hahn may not agree with ( I'm not gonna go there ). Hahn has been known to be a shrewd negotiator and even praised by many on this board including myself. All the sudden now he isn't so shrewd? IMHO, there's more than one chef (Hahn) in the kitchen of these negotiations.

Same point you were making about the " water carriers". Hahn and KW work within the guidelines determined by their boss. They are employees of JR and like any other job in life, employees are paid to do what they are told. This doesn't excuse Hahn and KW for past trade and free agent signing debacles but when it comes to spending 300m+ on a free agent, JR has the final say, period. This should be obvious since JR sat down at the Harper/Boras table last November to get an idea of what they were looking for.

If Eloy won't stay with the Sox then why not trade him for a haul of prospects?

My birthday makes me an Aquarius and therefore a water bearer so blow me if you don't like it! ?

I was about to say the exact same thing.

Don't do a thing. Since it's a development year and assuming Eloy solidifies himself in one of the corner OF spots, let jay/Engel keep CF warm and see what Palka has to offer. In the mean time play the waiting game to see who comes up first from the minors.

Im referring to how their fan base feels about not landing one of Machado or Harper.

I am curious how their fan base feels about not landing a whale yet.

Ha ha we should sit down one day and drink our sorrows away with White Sox koolaide. And when Harper signs with a team not named the White Sox you will see how all the b****ing has done no good. That is what I'm getting at.

Never said I wasn't emotionally invested, just that I am in control of my emotions. Stomping ranting raving kicking screaming like toddlers will not do a damn bit of good. Its never once worked with JR since he took ownership so to think it will do any good now is being delusional. This should be obvious to everyone.

If you're going to bring the cubs into this then you win the internet for the day. I'm not about to sit here, on SoxTalk, discussing the cubs. Tell ya what. Go protest outside the park and give the owners hell blasting Twisted Sister and see how much of a shit they give.

Exactly. History has shown this would be the most likely outcome with the current owners. This is also why I'm not taking shots at Hahn and KW because in the end their handlers determine the allowance Hahn and KW have to play with. And ill be honest, there are much more important things in life worthy of getting emotional over.

Im just not willing to get emotionally charged up over something that's out of my control. If people want to rant and rave, go for it and get it out of your system if it makes you feel better. But know this, it won't make a damn bit of difference to the owners regardless of what people think.

That would make sense. I never really had my hopes set too high so it was very easy for me to take the bad news and move on. I literally shrugged my shoulders when I first read Machado signed with SD.

With all do respect I could not disagree more. Read the Machado from front to back and you'll see what I mean.

Preparing for a 2nd meltdown Monday. Gonna need a lot of pacifiers with honey.

Yep, time to talk about how Abreu needs to be traded due health concerns and regression, yet expect a haul for him.

But those four games are huge! ?

Exactly. It's childish. Some "fans" are just plain idiots.

I wouldn't take this seriously. Span to the White Sox makes as much sense as Heyman. Nothing to see here folks.

For me, no it's definitely not the worst off season ever. The worst in recent memory would be the 2014/15 off season when the Sox paraded Samardzija, Cabrera and Robertson at Sox fest and being proclaimed the off season winners. Then went out and finished 10 games below .500.

Yep. I was also in the " don't get your hopes up" camp. I think you and I both expected a boring off season and unfortunately it turned out to be true. A 100 loss team is just not an attractive place for a big free agent to sign and having an owner that will only go so far financially doesn't help either. It was easy to see how people were picking and choosing what and who they believed in accordance to what they wanted to hear. It's why I made a few comments along the way about how the Machado thread would be a great psychological case study. I for one am happy as hell White Sox baseball is back and look forward to this season.

Meatloaf would write the score for it!

If Sox fans continue jumping off the ledge in droves there won't be enough left for a revolt. Maybe angry mob action but that's about it.?