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QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 05:49 PM) Any chance we can get the Red Sox to take Danks? They currently have exactly zero starting pitchers. They have a guy named Rubby in their rotation. Rubby. Ya never know. Boston's pitching staff is very thin for a team trying to win next year. Even if they signed Lester and traded for Hamels, they would still need pitching badly. IMO, they need to sign/trade for at least three good starters if that staff is going to help Boston become a winner.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 05:30 PM) Who knows. But they are far from done. They have plenty of assets in their farm, loaded in outfield, but no real starting pitching. We should expect a blockbuster or two from them at the winter meeting. Just a guess but I think Boston signs Lester and uses their surplus talent trading for a right handed pitcher to compliment Lester in the rotation. I would say Boston trades for Hamels as well but I think the Cards pull a fast one and land Hamels instead.

The Sox are in need of pitching and say they are trying to win in 2015 so trading Q makes no sense.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 05:05 PM) it all depends on how people see it. if in the worst case, take a chance on him. 2 things need to be considered, what cost would it take to get him and can the sox weasel another player (prospect) from Bos. Honestly, I think there's better options available since its still very early in the off season. I still think the Sox go after a left handed bat with some pop for LF.

I have a hard time buying into the Sox making an offer for Hamels. His contract is not the kind the Sox would go after in a pitcher plus I don't see the Sox giving up two or three of their best prospects the Phillies are reportedly after. You're talking Rodon, Anderson and Montas if Amaro gets his way and I don't see the Sox giving up that kind of talent and rightfully so. If I had to guess, I'd say the Cards land Hamels. They want another pitcher, have plenty of young talent to trade, payroll space and might prefer Hamels' salary over what Lester is going to get. Lester could cost 3-5M more per year. Boston signs Lester, Cards trade for Hamels.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 09:57 AM) well you must see something that i can't but ..... ok. Bradley Jr has age and upside going for him and as Wite pointed out could at the very least be a good fourth outfielder plus his youth fits into the mold of what Hahn is doing. Victorino is an injury risk, lost a step or two, does not steal bags like you used to, a free agent after the 2015 seson and is about to turn 34, non of which is good when talking about an outfielder. I really don't see a trade match between Boston and Chicago anyway so its all most likely irrelavent.

QUOTE (bear_brian @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) There is no way, IMO, that the Dodgers are going to trade Pederson or Seager without getting some salary relief in the form of one of the high-priced veteran outfielders, probably Ethier. So, if there is a "package", it would possibly be Etheir and Pederson or Seager. Ethier and Pederson won't happen because the Sox have the DH spot filled with the signing of LaRoche so there's no way to have Pederson, Avi, Eaton and Ethier in the same lineup and all four should be starting every day. Assuming Pederson is ready which I believe he is. A package of Ethier and Seager makes more sense though if the Sox feel one of their middle infielders can play a decent SS but that's a big if.

Think I'll pass on Victorino. Not interested in his salary and I don't trust his health. Bradley Jr would be nice but at what cost?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 11:24 PM) Noesi's too valuable to the Sox because he's insurance to at least hold down the fort at the back end of the rotation while waiting for reinforcements and/or Bassit/Beck to have an impact before Rodon comes up for good. Boston wouldn't gamble with Noesi as their 5, and it's sort of like the Phil Humber or McHugh situations, where players that have been waived by other teams still aren't deemed trustworthy in terms of giving up much talent. I wouldn't mind the trade itself, if I knew we were going to have replacements for Noesi, but the trade in and of itself doesn't make sense strategically for where we are at this point in the off-season. If we had Brett Anderson and Hochevar on the roster, it would be more comfortable to deal Noesi, but he still needs another 1/2 year of consistency to build up a bit more value IMO. No doubt about Noesi's value, especially his six innings he averages in his starts. I'm just trying to think of what the Sox have that Boston might be interested in. With the current shape of the Sox starting rotation, I'd rather have Noesi in the rotation than Holt on the playing field. Anderson has a nice arm but he hasn't pitched over 100 innings since 2010 so how much can he be counted on? Would definitely take Hochaver though.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 09:23 PM) Please, anything to get Leury Garcia back to AAA. Actually, I'd prefer Holt to Danks or Saladino as well. But at what cost for "Zobrist Lite"? Yeah, no doubt Leury can use more time at Charlotte and I agree with ya about taking Holt over Danks/ Saladino. As far as cost, I haven't a clue. I know Boston already has too many outfielders and their infield seems set as well with the exception of catcher so pitching would likely be what they seek. Sale and Q are out of the question IMO but you think there's any chance Boston would be interested in Noesi?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 08:42 PM) Melky, Rasmus and Saunders. I'm also adding Brock Holt to the list (See my post in Red Sox OF's thread for more in depth on him) Holt is interesting. I just looked him up and the only positions he didn't play at in 2014 were catcher and pitcher. The kid definitely has versatility and seems to play solid defense wherever he's at.

Just want to point out that heavy right handed hitting lineups do not always work out against a left handed starting pitcher. Also, the Sox have been starved for quality left handed bats. The only left handed bats that have shown signs of life on a daily basis are Gillaspie and Eaton. The Sox have added LaRoche but could use another left handed hitting outfielder ( preferably with some pop) which is why the names of Ethier, CarGo and Crawford have been mentioned/ rumored. LaRoche is the lone power bat from the left side at the moment and seeing as how the Sox have a gaping hole in LF it makes sense the Sox would look for a left handed bat for LF.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 12:15 PM) I'm guessing they have a handshake deal with Carroll to stay in the organization and be one of the first callups if needed. I hope you're right.I like the idea of Carroll pitching out of the pen since he did well in limited time last year.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 07:44 PM) I am not going to dispute you, but to point out, he has no major surplus, so acquiring talent to flip for prospects is what Bos has done this yr and will do when all is said and done. so Beane will acquire his share, keep what he needs and trade the others for prospects. again remember, this is my opinion only, what the hades to do I know. Kind of recycling. Beane is starting to acquire players to replace the ones he will inevitably trade. For example, pick up Davis to replace Jaso before Jaso gets traded. Also, Davis does bring some nice power potential which is something the A's can use. I think what were talking about kinda goes hand in hand. Basically, Beane wants younger, talented and more cost effective players to replace players that are becoming costly but have solid trade value due to performance and come with two years of control which brings a better return than one year of control. Am I barking up the right my man?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 04:00 PM) One possibility is that they are waiting to see if they can work something to open a roster spot. Good point, I forgot the Sox are at 40 right now. I would imagine Hahn is working the phones trying to work something out for Tank.

This really is just Beane doing what he's been doing. Both Moss and Reddick are second year arbitration eligible which is usually around the time Beane looks to trade players. This of course does not happen with every player but Beane has done it plenty of times in the past.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 03:53 PM) You said he was depth for Chicago. I proposed a bet that he would never play in Chicago. You claim I said you said he'd be in the lineup. Those aren't the same things. I am not putting words in your mouth at all as you can see from the bolded. Notice how I provide the quotes to prove this. You think I am being argumentative but I am just having trouble stomaching how off-base you are across the board. It certainly doesn't help you have been one of the most prolific posters on the board of recent and I am upset with myself for not being able to resist. I just think it's a little funny how quickly you fall in love with these guys. Pencilling in Juan Diaz and Justin Jirschele for some role in Chicago leads to believe you are one of those guys who could be taken by one of the internet brides. You would have gone the rest of your life not knowing who Diaz is if the Sox never signed him. You would have never learned of Jirschele if he didn't have a .600 BABIP in a league he was far too old for. Despite that, you think both of them could potentially play in Chicago if you get your wish of Alexei getting traded. Try not to get offended but this is really, really far out there. Like the furthest end of the spectrum homerism. These guys are nothing. They are filler. They have nothing to do with Alexei Ramirez. If Diaz is starting in some capacity and Jirschele even steps into Chicago proper the Sox are in a world of trouble and something went seriously wrong. There is about ten guys ahead of both of these journeymen minor leaguers. Please try to digest this instead of relegating the dissenting opinion because it is not the same of your own. All I did was note the buildup of MI depth between Charlotte and Chicago and you've derailed this thread from the dodgers interest in Alexei to how Jirschele will never make it to the Sox ( which nobody said he would) and how Diaz will never be a legit option at SS which is subject to opinion ( right or wrong) and means nothing if Alexei is not traded in the first place.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 06:46 PM) I thought you were Levine. And I thought you were young... Anyway. If I remember right LaRoche was supposed to take his physical today so the Sox could be waiting until after the physical to make the official announcement. There is probably no big rush to make the announcement since its already known that LaRoche has agreed to sign anyway.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 03:40 PM) I wish this guy was the Mets GM Wyatt Derp ‏@NewYorkMehts 38m38 minutes ago Will Wheeler + Syndergaard + DeGrom and Montero get us Alexei Ramirez, lets do it! Whoaaa! That had to be sarcastic jokester. I can't see anyone being that crazy.lol

Boston's web site is saying they have deals in place for Hanley and Panda. http://m.redsox.mlb.com/news/article/10228...-pablo-sandoval

QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 02:28 PM) They might move Hanley to the OF. You are correct, oversight on my part. QUOTE (ptatc @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 03:23 PM) Or does this make bogaerts available and pushes Alexei's value down? I certainly hope not. If Boston keeps Boegarts at SS and moves Hanley to LF then I suppose it would not bring Alexei's value down. IMO, it helps but we all know what they say about opinions.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 02:13 PM) No, I value him. I am sure it'd take something to get him but I am not sure what. I'd look to acquire him without trading Alexei Why when anyone questions your posts you ask them if they read the last fews posts? It's a strange defense mechanism. Why don't you quote me the posts on Diaz's defense or splits and I'll dispel them if they exist. I'd love to make a signature bet on Jirschele playing in Chicago next year too. Uh, because people make comments without reading what's been written, no defense mechanism at all. In other words, they read the most recent page and just jump right in without knowing what already been said or how the conversation got to the point it is currently on. Why don't you read the thread? Diaz's defense was discussed yesterday. You chose not to read the thread so why would I waste time quoting posts? As for Jirschele. I never said he would be in the Sox lineup so stop making s*** up and trying to put words in my mouth in an effort to get the argumentative attention you so desperately seek. Again, Jirschele is just part of the MI depth the Sox have between Charlotte and Chicago, that's it and nothing more so stop reading too much into it. Oh yeah, have a nice day!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 01:33 PM) No doubt about it. If that doesn't show that Alexei is worth a ton on the trade market, I don't know what will. Yup. I am now in the group of folks that feel an over pay is in order if a team wants to acquire Alexei. Thank you Hanley and Boston.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 01:45 PM) They're shuffling their MiLB filler according to the players who could be heading to the MLB. Last year 2B and SS were played almost entirely by Semien, Sanchez and Saladino. There's a chance not one of those guys is in Charlotte next year. The only thing that could be brewing is one of Semien/Johnson/Sanchez being moved. Why mention Jirschele if he's irrelevant? Why do you think Diaz can hit MLB RHP? Don't you think someone would have protected him on their 40 if he were a good defender that hit RHP? How many teams employ platoons at SS? Would Hahn keep his job if Saladino/Diaz were his starting SS? Good grief. Have you not read this thread? I noted in my last two posts that Jirschele is part of the depth between Charlotte and Chicago, that is all. There have been plenty of posts in this thread regarding Diaz splits and defense, feel free to read them as well as look them up yourself. As for Hahn keeping his job, ask KW. According to the rumors, Semien/Johnson/Sanchez are not the only players talked about being moved and in fact its Alexei's name that's constantly brought up due to the handful of teams in looking to upgrade at SS. You may think you know what the Sox will or will not due but you don't and neither do any of us. That's the fun thing about discussing the rumors so try to enjoy it like the rest of us instead of being so anal.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) I agree something is probably brewing but it has nothing to do with the majority of these players you mention. Smeien, Sanchez and Johnson all have value and I think one will get moved. That solves your "too much depth" problem, if that's actually a thing. Look at two of the best teams of the best century: St. Louis and Boston. These teams have the best depth and homegrown talent almost every year. The only reason we should trade from out depth is because we lack depth at other positions. Anderson is a ways off and his position is unclear, so other than a potential September call-up, he's irrelevant to this season. Saladino and Garcia are potential UTIL guys, maybe one of them could be the 24th or 25th guy on the roster. Diaz and Jirschele shouldn't even be mentioned in the PaleHose talk forum. They are MiLB filler that are likely not to hold starting spots in Charlotte. To infer that these guys have something to do with the construction of the MLB roster and/or Alexei Ramirez's SS position is lunacy. Especially the latter. Oh I agree that teams need as Mich depth as possible. I'm thinking it looks like some things brewing considering all the depth between Charlotte and the Sox, the rumors circulating about Alexei and now the best FA SS has been signed and raised the pay scale thus raising Alexei's trade value. This does not mean the will or should trade Alexei, just adds more fire to the rumor mill and makes me even more curious as to whether a team steps up and blows Hahn away in a proposal for Alexei. Jirschele I agree, just noting him as part of the depth between Charlotte and Chicago. Diaz, could play in the majors if he indeed can play defense and hit right handers, could possibly platoon short with Saladino hitting against lefties tho neither could fill Alexei's shoes. Also agree that Anderson is a ways off yet and I would not consider him a realistic option until 2016 at the earliest.