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QUOTE (peavy44 @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 07:44 PM) I think that guy full of s*** Lester back to red sox. I'm thinking the same thing. Boston needs pitching so why not go with what you know?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 07:34 PM) http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...89099&st=15 post #19 second page. I also had, Loney at first, Iglesias at SS, Josh Reddick in RF ( he still might be a good acquistion). Of course this was all before Abreu , Eaton and Avi since the thread was from late June 2013. I was on the right track with Iglesias ,just picked the wrong prospect but he was traded along with Avi ,by Boston ,in the Peavy deal. I remember when that trade was brewing and everyone thought at first we had got Iglesias and I was like "Oh yea nailed it " ! I was with ya on the Lonely/ Reddick idea. I mentioned Lonely once and basically got laughed at, lol. I liked Reddick a few years ago when he was in Boston too. I really think the Sox and Jays could be a match. The Jays are looking for an outfielder and the Sox are looking for a catcher. Viciedo for Navarro fills holes both teams have and their salaries are pretty close too so the Jays would be able to spend money elsewhere. Navarro is a much cheaper option than say, Montero, which allows the Sox plenty of money to be spent elsewhere. Its a good fit.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 07:23 PM) 100% several times over. he is the leader, plain and simple. he has shown it last yr. Alexei or Sale as your backup leaders. QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 07:26 PM) ^This. If you can't plainly tell that Abreu, Sale, and Eaton are now the leaders of this team, you aren't watching. Absolutely guys. Good call on Sale, Alexei and Eaton. I think a case can be made for Q as well with the way he quietly goes about his business without negative emotion. The Sox have leaders, they need ball players to fill in some holes.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 07:04 PM) I was saying to get him last yr. when he was a free agent in that predict the Sox 2014 lineup thread. Haha, no kidding. I probably missed that with so much talk surrounding Salty. I like the idea and prefer Navarro over Montero/ Castro.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 07:11 PM) I've saying Melky since the VMart signing calling him VMart -lite . Guy could get 5/$65-70M considering his age so be ready to pony that up. 3 would be best ,4 maybe ,5 and we're out of it. That sums it up right there. Depending on the annual salary I'd go as high as four years and even then I'd prefer the fourth was an option year. I don't see the Sox going five years on a thirty year old.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 07:05 PM) Typical Hayes and/or Merkin garbage. Exactly!

Really Hayes? Are ya having a slow day, perhaps a little sluggish? Grab a cup of coffee, sit down and watch some footage from the White Sox 2014 season. Abreu is the " leader " of the White Sox with the way he carries himself on the field, in the dug out and off the field. Anyone that watched Sox baseball in 2014 should be able to see that.

I think Dioner Navarro will be available since the Jays likely keep Thole due to his ability to catch Dickey's knuckleball. A Flowers/ Navarro platoon sounds good to me.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 04:53 PM) I've mentioned Lambo a few times previously because Pirates have no room for him and you'd hope he could be had for relatively cheap. He was a right fielder who only started playing 1B in the past year because he was squeezed out of their OF. He was highly touted as a teenager and was pushed well ahead of his age-level from the beginning. Played age 20 season at AA. Had injury problems and then eventually, crushed AA and AAA at age 24 to the tune of 32 home runs. Since he's played most of his career in the OF you'd think he's at least serviceable (better than Viciedo). Will his minor league success translate to the majors? Who knows. But he was expected by a playoff team to potentially be their starting 1B going into 2014. His poor spring lead to their signing Ike Davis. He'd be in that competition again this year, if it weren't for Pedro Alvarez inability to play 3B. It's an Eaton-esque situation, aside from Lambo not having played much in MLB at all. Who would you rather have from the Pirates, Lambo or Snider? If I had to chose it would be Snider based on he's had some major league success whereas Lambo is still looking for his shot. But, I would take a chance on Lambo and trading for him is probably the more realistic scenario since the Pirates seem to have plans for Snider. Not sure what the cost for Lambo would be but it cannot be that high.

I'm all for Melky. If a fourth year is that important to Melky then see if he will bite on the fourth year being a team/player option with a buyout.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 03:55 PM) And hopefully they end up with this years version of Edwin Jackson out of the deal. Have anyone in particular in mind? I kinda wonder if maybe Shields could be the guy ( bad contract) given his age and expected contract length. Regression will happen to him. Maybe the cubs offer a 4-5 year deal to BMac? That would be a gamble topped off with insanity given his injury history.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 03:35 PM) I didn't want him nor at that price. But hilarious all we hear about is the Cubs. Then they say they're the clear front runner and boom he's a Blue Jay. Ha Yup, happens every year. A lot of the sports writers talk all this trash about how the cubs are going sign the best free agents, the cub fans buy into it and then have their hearts broken when the players signs elsewhere. As a Sox fan, its predictably entertaining.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 03:31 PM) I'd do that deal. Encarnacion can be the primary DH, Smoak can play first and Tank can play left while getting at bats at DH. It does make a bit of sense. Then the Sox go and sign Melky and things suddenly look a little better.

I think one aspect to keep in mind is years of control. The Braves traded one year of Heyward/ two years of Walden for four years of Miller and at least six years of Jenkins. I think both teams did well in trading from their strengths to help fill in their weaknesses.

Viciedo for Navarro, done deal. That's a wrap!

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 12:34 PM) It would have to be somewhat-random minor leaguers, I guess. They are pretty stacked everywhere. Their infield is crowded as well, so Semien/Johnson/Sanchez probably wouldn't interest them. Hahn may have to get creative, and persuasive! That's why I mentioned Q. Q for Piscotty and a few of the Cards young starters the Cards don't have room for makes more sense than say for example, Bassitt for Piscotty. What do the Cards need with Bassitt? To us Bassitt is a good young talent to have but to the Cards, not so much. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating trading Q and the above was just thrown out there as an example but I just don't see how the Sox could get a young talent like Piscotty from the Cards. Hopefully I'm under estimating Hahn's creativeness. A trade for Piscotty and the signing of Melky would make the Sox outfield look so much better defensively and offensively. I know, I'm dreaming.

I glad for the Sox for being smarter than over paying for Russell I'm glad for the Blue Jays getting their man I'm glad the Blue Jays made it more possible for the Sox to sign Melky I'm glad the cubs lost out on another FA opportunity they set their sights on. The streets are flooding from the tears of weeping cub fans. I just want to thank the Blue Jays and Cardinals.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 12:04 PM) Piscotty's a guy I have wanted all along as well. .288/.355/.406 last year in AAA. Not a ton of power (only 9 HRs), but a good overall hitter who was very young for his level (age 23). Q's out of the question, but something a notch down from that would interest me. But would it interest the Cards? What do the Sox have to offer that the Cards don't already have? I agree with Q being out of the question, I just don't see the Cards being interested in anything the Sox have outside of Q. I leave Sale and Abreu out for obvious reasons. The Cards are so deep, the Sox could make an offer and the Cards could match or beat the return with what they already have. I really respect the hell out of the Cards for their scouting, drafting and player development abilities.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 11:29 AM) Could have big ramifications for the Sox. Melky Cabrera just lost his most likely destination and Dioner Navarro could become a trade option. Good call and I hope you're right. Would love to see Cabrera in LF with Navarro platooning with Flowers. That would be two very nice upgrades right there.

Even though he's right handed, I would love to get Piscotty. Not sure what the Cards would want in return or if the Sox have what the Cards would want. Cards are so loaded with young talent, I don't see how the Sox could swing a trade with them unless Q's name became involved.

QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 06:53 PM) Lambo looks pretty good, wonder what he'd cost us Not sure but if I had to guess, maybe Beck? QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 07:02 PM) He also forgot to mention Polanco. Very crowded outfield. Oh wow! Good call. Don't know how I missed that. Pirates seem like a good trade partner for the Sox depending on what the Pirates are looking for in return.

Was just reading about how the Pirates might non-tender Ike Davis and noticed how the Pirates have an abundance of outfielders. It seems the Pirates want to keep Snider but they have Lambo who profiles similar to Snider and about 6 months younger. Lefty bat with power and no place in the lineup since the Pirates already have McCutchen, Snider, Marte, Tabata and Harrison in the outfield with Alvarez platooning with Sanchez at 1B. I'm intrigued by the idea but not sure if Lambo is a guy that just needs an opportunity or the next Andy Wilkins. Just throwing his name out there to see what others might think. Here's a link to his career below.... http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/team/pla...l='ALL'

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 03:26 PM) I know it sounds like a nice easy thing to do, oh just don't blow 1/2 of those saves, but go a step deeper. Exactly 1 team in all of MLB had 11 blown saves or fewer - the Padres. Even the Royals tallied more blown saves than that. So to say yours a different way, "If their bullpen was replaced by a bullpen even better than the Royals, they'd have been above .500!". Does that put into context how truly huge of a jump that would require? Yes it does. I admit, I did not realize it would require that big of a jump. However, the Sox have plenty of money and there's plenty of quality relievers on both the FA and trade markets. Another thing that will help in that category is a better offense. A better offense will be able to help maintain a lead even if the bullpen allows some runs to score therefore bailing out the bullpen. Help me out on this but wouldn't Detroit be an example of a bad pen that was bailed out by the offense?

I'm with Baron on this. The Sox blew 21 save opportunities in 2014 and have money to spend so spend it wisely and not on some cheap s*** fresh off the bargain basement scrap heap. If they converted just half (10/11) of those opportunities, they end the season with 83-84 wins and fan base with a much more positive outlook on 2015.

Miller and Duke please. I would be happy to get just one of them though.