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Jackson's ERA is full run higher than Danks Jackson walks more batters Jackson has a higher WHIP Jackson pitches in the NL Jackson is two hears older than Danks And Jackson is a better option than Danks? Someone please explain this to me.

By the time Samardzija becomes a FA, signs his long term deal and heads to ST 2016, he will be 31 years old. That's not a dream, its a nightmare. I would hope Hahn could get more creative than that.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 02:13 PM) I think a lot of that scenario really depends on what other moves are made in the offseason and what the Sox realistically think their chances are of making the playoffs in 2015. If you think you have a playoff team, you can't afford to let Danks start several games if he isn't one of the five best starting options available. The Sox have until April 4 to find a taker for him. If they can't unload him by then, I don't see what letting him start some games in April-May is going to change. Also, if the Sox really think they have a playoff team in 2015, then Rodon needs to be starting for the Sox as soon as they believe he is one of the five best starters and not worry about future salary implications. Oh absolutely. With as many holes as they have I really don't see them as contenders in 2015. Its not that I don't have faith in Hahn but theres just a whole lot of work to be done. Let's not forget that Danks got off to a pretty decent start this season so allowing him to start next season buys the Sox an opportunity at trading him IF he pitches well. If the Sox are ever going to have a chance of trading Danks, he must start. Working out of the pen will kill any chance of trading him due to his salary. I guess it comes down to three ways this could play out. 1- start him and hope to build some kind of value so he can be traded. ( admittedly wishful thinking) 2- stick him in the pen and hope he can turn into a quality long reliever.( an awfully expensive one at that) 3- start him in hope he regains his old form for a contending Sox team. ( not very likely, IMO)

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 12:28 PM) If the Sox (1) can't trade Danks without eating more than 2/3 of his salary and (2) he is not one of the five best starters at the end of ST, then I am 100% behind sticking him in the bullpen. I know other teams have done it, but that may be too "outside the box" for Robin. I think Danks to the pen is a last ditch effort kind of move that kills any possible tradability he might have left. No team is crazy enough to trade for a 14M reliever so a move to the pen would mean the Sox are keeping Danks for the rest of his contract. I think one idea to consider would be to have Danks start the 2015 season as a starter with Rodon starting the season at Charlotte. Hopefully Danks pitches well during April, May and into June. By then injuries have already begun happening around the league and teams begin to scramble in search for replacement's. IF Danks is pitching well, that could be the best opportunity to trade him. It doesn't matter if the Sox are contenders or not and it doesn't matter what the return would or might be because the Sox have Rodon waiting for a spot to open up while he worked on his control at Charlotte. The Sox move Rodon into Danks spot and that SHOULD be an upgrade right there. Now the Sox have opened up payroll flexibility during the season which could help at the trade dead line should the Sox be in contention. Correct me if I'm wrong Sox talk but in that scenerio, I think it pushes an extra year of control over Rodon does it not? Don't get me wrong, the object here is trading Danks at just the right time. I know the whole scenerio is a gamble but so was Danks contract in the first place.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) I love Brandon McCarthy, but signing him and depending on him is just stupid. I am fully convinced that the Sox saw a flaw in his motion, which is why they dealt him so quickly. I very seriously doubt they want him back. You are correct. I remember reading a few articles before the BMac/Danks trade that the Sox tried to get BMac to change his arm slot because the Sox didn't like his straight over the top delivery. They said it is a very unnatural motion for the shoulder. The Sox were not happy with Brandon refusing to change the arm slot, so we all know what happened next.

Realistically I can see the Sox climbing past Houston, Boston and Minnisota but the cubs seem damn determined to have a side by side drag race with the Sox. In the end I'd guess the Sox finish with the 5th pick. We'll see what happens.

For anyone interested, the Voyagers were swept in a three game serious so their season ended after consecutive losses Friday and Saturday nights.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 6, 2014 -> 10:17 PM) The tiebreaker is last year's record, so the White Sox will win the tiebreaker with every team other than the Astros. Nice! Well, Boston won 4-3 so the White Sox are now in the 7th slot for the 2015 draft. " Don't stop now boys".

If Boston can hold on, both Sox teams would be in a 7th pick tie.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 6, 2014 -> 08:29 AM) There is a good chance Sox will catch Houston, too. They have a new manager and might step it up for him. The Rangers, Dbacks, and Rockies will be tough to catch. Since Houston has that comp pick at @2, looks like Sox might get #5 at this point. I was just looking at the full standing at MLB and was thinking the same thing. If not for the Houston/ Aiken debacle the Sox could have a shot at #4. Going to be interesting to see how it all plays out the rest of the way.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 10:36 PM) Bregman at 4? Wow. I wasn't expecting that either.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 09:12 PM) great ..... it is the new monthly. update with Joshua, he prob can go a little more in details with the prospect. the first 3 is as I expect it. where they have the sox picking and player projected, I do not agree. but I still like to see how some of the players who I think are possible for the sox do as the next yr goes. I really wish I could get an understanding at what the sox will identify as their needs. Cool dude! I don't agree with the Carson Fulmer projection either. I looked at video of him and he has an assholes and elbows kind of delivery that looks way too inconsistent. I looked at video of the projected #10 Walker Buehler and really liked what I saw. Interestingly enough I also found this from BA dated August 28 about the Cape Cod League and the first name mentioned is Walker Buehler. http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/cap...30-prospects-2/ I feel my inner baseball nerd coming out.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 08:13 PM) You just made a really strong case that it's insane to trade for any other team's minor league players. I liked the Davidson deal, but man, if they could possibly miss "Things that turn him into a sub .200 hitter at AAA" then there needs to be another scouting and front office overhaul. I think that going into the trade the Sox knew of Davidson's high strike outs and poor defense but liked his power potential from 3B. Nowhere have I said the Sox knew Davidson would hit below .200 so let's just stop right there. All I'm saying is the Sox saw things in ST that they felt Davidson needed to work on at AAA. Also, a little help from the board here but wasn't there speculation about Davidson's 2013 AAA numbers being inflated due to the park he had been hitting in? Im speaking about conversations on this board last winter after the trade.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 06:32 PM) Anyone that thinks a kid that his .199 in AAA would have magically been a 250 hitter in MLB is f***ing delusional. Furthermore, if the kid is that upset about the demotion how in the hell is he going to have the mental toughness to perservere through his first 2 for 50 streak? Some of you guys are nuts, seriously. Absolutely! I think what I like most about this post is there was nooo sugar coating. Straight to the f***ing point!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 06:03 PM) 1 big problem. If the White Sox knew this, why did they trade for him? Easy. Davidson is only 23, good power potential, possible 3B of the future. Plus you cannot possibly expect a team to know everything about a player from outside their organization, some things need to be seen first hand and that's where ST helps. Young players are a crap shoot, we all know this.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 07:39 PM) I concur, Good Sir I second this. Not that I'm against Stanton, dude is a f***ing stud, but I'm not willing to give up an outlandish price for him. Fortunately there are others teams that would and have more to offer. Someone ,I forget who, mentioned Boston. This is the likely team considering Boston has the desire, the prospects and the history of making big trades with the Marlins.

QUOTE (TRU @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 04:19 PM) You either have a problem reading, or comprehending.. I don't know which one it is. I never "clamored" how Davidson could have done. Ive said multiple times we will never know how he would have done because he didn't get the opportunity to. For a team that knew they were going to be throwing away 2014 and rebuilding, what sense does it make to play Gillaspie fresh off his .245 season with no real attractive tools over Davidson when you look at what he did at the end of 2013 plus ST (Where he batted quite well). If he stunk it up in ST, I could understand that. Its not about what I think he would have done, he should have been given the opportunity based of the teams situation and the fact that Gillaspie is nothing more than a situational player and will never be anything more than that. .245 hitter last year, .267 hitter this year outside of 2 months. Guy cant play everyday, sorry, but that's FACT. Davidson only hit .199 and struck out 164 times in only 478 at bats. The results show that the Sox knew Davidson had a problem with pitch recognition and contact issues which explains why he was sent down and why his numbers at Charlotte suck. These are the indicators that show Davidson was not and still is not ready. Also would like to point out that the Sox wanted Davidson at Charlotte because he needed work on his defense at 3B which by the way was a horrible .943 fielding percentage for the season at Charlotte . Combine all that with Conor's lefty bat and MLB experience and its easy to see how Davidson played at Charlotte and Gillespie played for the Sox. Those are the facts! That said, I'm done. Enjoy.

Would this help at all? http://www.mymlbdraft.com/MLB-Mock-Draft I thought it was interesting enough for now.

QUOTE (TRU @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 02:48 PM) Davidson has zero track record of not being able to hit AAA pitching until this year. He also hit when he was called up for Arizona last year. Please nostradamus, explain to me how you know whether or not Davidson would be having the same results at the MLB level as he is right now in AAA. You cant, because we don't know that. Thus, you make no sense. What I do know is, based off of his call up last year and how he played during spring training, Davidson should have been playing 3B for the Sox. The Sox, who were entering a throw away year that they knew was going to be for rebuilding, and instead tossed a .240 hitter out there at 3B instead of a prospect who showed nothing that would make you believe he wasn't ready. Also, im not sending a letter to the White Sox organization requesting Gillaspie not be starting on this team next year. That's my personal opinion I am sharing with the board, what the f*** are you talking about bro? I make no sense? I'm not the one clamoring about how a player COULD have hit had he played. And you refer to me as Nostradamus? Again, you're complaining about an MLB player only hitting .240 while clammouring for a player that hit AAA pitching to the tune of .199 claiming he could have hit better at the MLB level? Going back to ST, Gillaspie is a lefty batting in a lefty deficient lineup as well as having over 450 plate appearances in 2013, Davidson to Charlotte made perfect sense. Davidson was sent down with the intention of likely calling him up at some point given injuries happen ( and did to Gillaspie) and players struggle. Problem is that Davidson went to Charlotte and s*** his pampers. If in fact Davidson was dissapointed over being sent to Charlotte to start the season then that's his fault because nobody from the Sox front office ever said Davidson WOULD make the MLB roster out of ST. Believe it or not I like Davidson and since he's only 23 I've not given up on him but he has plenty to work on yet. Plate discipline and pitch recognition are the first things that come to mind.

QUOTE (TRU @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 01:14 PM) I don't have a problem with Gillaspie being a part of the team, I don't want him to be a starting 3B or DH for this team though. Well,when you become owner of the Sox the it will be about what YOU want but until then, its not about what you want because like it or not you are just a fan the same as the rest of us. QUOTE (TRU @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) Davidson should have started the year in Chicago at 3B. Him flopping in AAA is irrelevant because had he started in Chicago we would never know how it would have turned out. Just because I didn't get a boner when Gillaspie hit .394 for one month doesn't mean I have some hidden agenda against him. BTW, hes only hit .267 since June 1st, so hes been pretty mediocre for a lot longer than just after the all star break. This is again based on YOU and your opinion which, as a fan, is irrelevant. If Davidson struggled to hit AAA pitching then how in the hell do you figure he hits MLB pitching. You're making zero sense. Oh yeah, I'll .267 from Gillaspie at the MLB level as opposed to Davidson whopping .199 at AAA. Again, you make zero sense. QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 02:04 PM) I'm not as high on Gillaspie as others are but he's certainly earned a spot on next years squad to see which version of him is legit. Agreed. There are more pressing issues than 3B. There are two glaring holes in the rotation, the bullpen is a pigpen, DH needs to be filled somehow and LF can use some attention as well. If an opportunity comes along to upgrade 3B then great, I'm all for it but if not I see no problem with Gillaspie at 3B next year.

Thanks for the update Chili.

Oh wonderful. Another thread with cubs talk and whining about how the Sox don't get enough media attention. Would someone please call the whambulance so this thread may be returned to talking about the Sox and their potential draft pick position next year? Good grief the cub dick sucking can be utterly annoying.

Arizona up 5-1 in the 8th. Since the Sox gained another spot, does that put them 8th now?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 02:22 PM) Plus Dunn can pitch. This is true and it was a damn fine inning! Well, a better inning than what we've seen from a lot of Sox relievers this season.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 02:19 PM) Just say no to James Shields, guys. He's beginning his decline. He's 33, velocity and strikeouts are down. This is EXACTLY the type of guy you do NOT want to win the bidding on. Do not pay a guy for what he WAS. Absolutely! Shields looks like a nice option now but not for the entire 3-4 year deal he will likely get. I see Panda has two votes now, who is the other besides myself?