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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) Dunn has an .804 ops. Sox fans are so f***ing stupid. I was at the game the other night and people can't stand Dunn. Cheering the fact that they get to see Paulie one last time. I wanted to bang my head off the table. I have to admit, that makes no sense whatsoever.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 11:30 AM) Yes. The Sox fanbase will applaud the end of Dunn no matter how it goes down. Like you, I say just pull the plug ASAP if at all possible. If Dunn cannot be traded, I have no problem cutting him and never looking back.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 11:15 AM) I think it's funny to watch the sentiment on Dunn swing wildly over the course of his contract when at it's completion he will give the White Sox basically what his career lines have been if you factor in age related regression. It's gone from excitement (finally a left handed middle of the order bat!), to unrequited bitterness and unmerciful booing, to discussing re-signing him, to now wanting to cut him thanks to an organization filler having a hot week. Andy Wilkins completely deserves a September callup when the roster expand, but Dunn's production/value is not tied to Wilkins in any way whatsoever. You make trades/cuts to make room for phenoms, not organization fillers. If you want to see what we got with him, give him some meaningless September at bats and a chance in Spring Training to win a bench spot. Actually I have been consistent with Dunn. Ive been wanting him gone for a long while now due to his regression and contract but understood players like him are difficult to trade. Even last winter and into spring when a few were talking about releasing him before the 2014 season began, my stance was to hold out to see if he could be traded for something, anything. If he cannot be traded then I really see no problem with cutting him loose to give some at bats to a guy nearly ten years younger. This is of course just my opinion though. I must reiterate that I'm not counting on Wilkins to be the future DH of this team,just willing to part ways with Dunn to see what Wilkins can do. If the Sox don't move Viciedo maybe try them as a tandem at DH. Just trying to think outside the box is all and be open to other possibilities.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) It is one thing to be excited. It is quite another when people are suggesting the team cut major leaguers to make room for what is exceedingly probably a fluke. Were also talking about cutting a guy ( Dunn) who isn't producing, hasn't been producing, most fans are not happy with and will likely/ thankfully not be with the Sox next season. The Sox have more to gain by giving Wilkins a look than 2 more months of Dunn. Even of Wilkins shows he's not the real deal at least the Sox will know going into the off season. Who knows, maybe some team like the Pirates come calling looking for a guy like Wilkins and the Sox can grab some kind of young raw pitching talent. I agree its more than likely Wilkins doesn't amount to much in a major league uniform but the Sox stand nothing to lose by cutting their losses with Dunn ( if he isn't traded) and see what Wilkins can do. I am not counting on Wilkins, just willing to give him a shot is all.

So where did this come from anyway? Disgruntled bosox fan?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 08:10 AM) At the very least, he should be rewarded for his recent hot streak. It's good for the Sox minor leaguers to see that almost anyone can get an opportunity (for now) if they produce tangible results. Whether he's a platoon placeholder or flames out in 2014, who knows? But anything's better than 2 more months of Dunn. And I'm not sure anyone thought Conor Gillaspie would still be holding down 3B four months into the 2014 season. Sometimes, players surprise. Not usually. But it's not beyond the realm of possibility, either. In the end, we're already playing "most irrelevant game in MLB today" with the Twins, who cares? We're going to be replacing 2B, LF, C, DH and possibly SS in next year's line-up, so let's roll the dice. You make very good points here Caulfield and I agree. Nobody is counting on Wilkins by any means, just willing to give him a shot over two more months of Dunn. I see nothing wrong with fans getting a little excited over a minor leaguer considering the disastrous 2013 season and a more than likey sub .500 this season. Wilkins hits lefty with pop, which is something the Sox can use. It doesn't mean he will produce but I see no harm in giving him a shot. Great point with Connor too. Nobody thought much of him when he was acquired and nobody thought he would hit the way he has this year but he's been a pleasant surprise. He was given a chance and he appears to be developing at the major league level. I'm happy to have him.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 07:10 AM) Whether he pissed on your happy story or not Dick Allen is more than likely correct. Wilkins is on an unprecedented run and once he's off this run he probably won't be expected to turn into much by anyone. And just like dick, you put words in others mouths. Nowhere has anyone said it was a" happy story" . I will say this yet again as I did yesterday so here goes one more time. With what Sox fans have endured the last 3 1/2 seasons with Dunn , it's about giving a Wilkins a shot and nothing more. Nobody has said Wilkins IS the future and nobody has ignored the fact Wilkins is not a top prospect. I agree its likely he does not develope into much but again, when you consider the position the Sox are in , what have they got to lose by bringing Wilkins up and see what he can do? Wilkins is 25/26 years old so he is old to be considered a spect but he is in the age group that fits with Hahn's plan so there's nothing to lose by giving him some at bats. Let him give Jose a break from playing first here and there.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 05:55 AM) 7 games ago Wilkins with his "sweet swing" was an almost 26 year old hitting .251 with a below .300 OBP in AAA. While this streak he has been on is incredible, he has been pretty mediocre outside of these last 7 games. Sox fans have a little something to get excited about for a position that will likely have a void soon and of course you want to come along and piss on it. Outside of pessimism, does anything at all make you happy?

Guerra has a mere 23.2 IP this season Lindstrom hasn't pitched since May 19 Putnam is trying to establish himself as a closer Danks and Viciedo as trade candidates has already been speculated by, well, everyone already. So basically Cotillo is regurgitating what others have said while throwing out names that make little to no sense at all. So he wrote the blurb for the sake of writing something. Absolutely pointless blurb thats not worthy of being called an article. His writing, or lack thereof is better suited for gossip mags.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 06:41 PM) I think you guys are overanalyzing. Seriously, Rodon hasnt pitched in a game since May 16.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:30 AM) How come nobody wants to give Phegley another shot? His numbers have been climbing as well? The obvious answer is Josh is a right handed hitting catcher. Wilkins is a left handed hitting 1B. I will say this just once more. ITS ABOUT GIVING WILKINS A SHOT AND THATS IT! No "love".

QUOTE (glangon @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:14 AM) We won't know if he is any good at the MLB until he gets exposed to MLB pitching. I think we'll see him this year. If Dunn is traded, we may see him July as the left handed DH / 1B option. If he is not traded, i reckon we'll see him in the September call-ups. He won't get a better chance to show what he can do and the White Sox have nothing to lose, he could be a cheap left handed power bat to spot Abreu on an offday and to man the DH spot. You never know until you give him a shot. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:21 AM) It's terrible logic because eventually there are people who hit successfully in the big leagues. And note how you edited what I said. An .800 OPS as a platoon player. You dropped the important part. He got off to a poor start this season and his OPS against righties is .913 and his OBP is .330. His walk rate isn't great against righties but it's 2.5 times what it is against lefties. We'd have to have a person making the lineups who understands that and doesn't regularly play him against LHP based on those splits, but his numbers suggest the potential that he could fill a major league role that the White Sox actually need to fill. And that's all I've been saying guys. Its just about giving someone else a shot and that's it. Nobody in this thread has said Wilkins is the long term solution so its funny how some read far more into posts than what's actually being said.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) Yeah, I think the Wilkins love is fascinating, but reality says he will be 26 in less than 2 months and even with this hot streak, sports a .309 OBP in AAA. Phegley and Jordan Danks are also putting up big numbers and they couldn't do anything at the next level. Anyone actually thinking Wilkins is a really good prospect is thinking with their heart and not their head. Geebus DA. Seriously, where do you come up with the love bs? Its about giving someone else a shot, that's it. Don't read so much into it.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 08:40 AM) I think they already know that he's not. He has some history of walking, but his ability to draw walks in AAA has been virtually non-existent, and he's never really been a guy to hit for average. Players like that have a tendency to end up as bench players in the majors or they end up moving between AAA and the majors a lot and eventually finds themselves playing in Asia. His numbers this year remind me a lot of Brett Pill. Wilkins is a bit different because he's left handed, so he's going to have more value due to the platoon difference and the ability to hit more pitchers, but I honestly don't think there's any chance Wilkins is the answer to the DH long term. OK, let me out it this way. IMO, there's no future with Adam Dunn and best option the Sox have right now at replacing Dunn's left handed bat is Wilkins so give him a shot and see what he can do August and September. Watching two months of Wilkins will be less painful than the last 3 1/2 years of Dunn. Also ( this isn't directed toward anyone in particular), after wasting millions on Dunn for the last four years , anyone who thinks the Sox would be willing to bring him back needs their head examined. Resigning Dunn would go against what Hahn is building for the future. Dunn has no future with the Sox, period.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 08:21 AM) I highly doubt this. The Sox will work to make a trade prior to the deadline, but they'd likely just put him on waivers and if someone claims him, they'd likely let him go. We will find out soon enough. I can see the Sox giving Wilkins a shot the last two months to get more of an idea if he's the guy to replace Dunn when Dunn is gone which is why I can see the Sox releasing Dunn some time in august. Hopefully Dunn is traded at the deadline, even if the Sox have to chip in a few bucks.

I'm as excited as the next fan but its possible Rodon hits a bump here and there along the way. Im not going to allow myself to get caught up in high expectations that put some kind of a time frame. Rodon is not Sale, he is Rodon and however long it takes is fine because I do believe he will develope into the front line starter he's projected to become. Probably not a quick as Sale but still plenty quick enough.

Just a guess but if Dunn has not been traded come august, he will be released to allow for a Wilkins call up.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 07:26 AM) I don' think anyone thinks we should GET Barney, I think Chisoxfn was just pointing out that there probably isn't anyone who would give up value for Beckham than just pick up Barney for free. Maybe Beckham is a bit better, but not nearly enough better to justify giving up real value when Barney costs nothing. That's exactly what I took from his post. Like it or not fans have a tendency to over value their teams players. If Beckham is moved it won't be for the return specs, it will be the Sox looking to move one of the middle infielders up from Charlotte to get an early look with regards to next season .

WTF Rodon? Spencer Adams is 18 with better numbers!

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:54 PM) What's his FIP though? :lol:

I checked the game log flavum and I think k your right. AZL has already batted I the top of the fourth.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 09:45 PM) Here is a more recent version of that sweet Wilkins swing. http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?con...35&sid=milb Dude absolutely clears his hips on that one. That swing told the pitcher " no more weak-ass inside sliders, meat!" Love that swing.

Wilkens HR swing reminds me a bit of Jr. or Strawberry. That is a sweet swing!

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 08:15 PM) If they can't deal Beckham, can they send him down to build up his confidence (haha) and put Micah in the lineup. I would love to see Micah batting second behind Eaton. My problem is I'm a pretty big fan of Sanchez. That kid has improved a lot in his second season with Charlotte. Sanchez probably figures to eventually be Ramirez replacement, whenever that is. But yeah, love the idea of getting Micah in a Sox uni to see what he can do.

If Dunn is not traded by the dead line, just release him for the remainder of the season and call Wilkins up. May as well get him some at bats to get a better idea moving forward to ST 2015.