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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 10:19 AM) No, but Granderson's age and the quality of the White Sox should. Not to mention the 14 draft is supposed to be a very deep draft too. Also, pointing out all these #53 picks could also mean bad selections by teams at the #53 pick. I admit it is a crap shoot but one I'm fine with.

Come on uncle jerry open up your wallet , it is Xmas after all.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 09:58 AM) +1 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 10:02 AM) +2. Sox second pick is currently sitting at #53 with a likely chance of moving up to 50 or higher. I'd much rather have a chance to go after top 50 talent in this draft than Granderson. Well said guys and couldn't agree more.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 09:56 AM) Thing is, didn't they almost already do just it last year? If he and PK weren't broken down(both were dealing with injury) down the stretch they very well could have won the division. Point taken. They sucked so bad in 13 I forgot about almost winning the division in 12. But in 12 we had a much better hitting catcher, a proven RF (I do have faith in Avi, he's just young is all), Youk at 3rd with Tank and Gordon healthy and hitting better. Is just hard for me to see them competing in 14. I hope like hell Hahn makes me eat those words!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 09:48 AM) $13+ was my guess as well but it has generally sounded like he's not getting those kind of offers so far. That's good news I guess. Lol. To me its a scary thought adding another bat that k's a lot while hitting under .250

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 09:34 AM) I totally get your point and agree about teams making moves just to make moves, however, baseball teams have a crap-load of money right now, if it's not some sort of crazy burdensome contract I wouldn't mind him coming, but the loss of draftpick at this point with the Sox, would probably have me against bringing him in. The draft pick is another good point. Hate to give it up after suffering through such a horrible season.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 08:21 AM) He had an .811 ops in his last healthy year(2012), takes walks while not clogging the bases, hits for good power, is a good clubhouse presence, and he might just play more inspired in Chicago. I'd expect 30+ HRs, 80+ RBI, and 70+ walks. But I'm saying this as a guy who thinks you can win with guys like Adam Dunn so our opinions may be different. You're right it is a difference of opinions as well as stats. I see what you're saying but I'm looking at it as we have enuff guys that strike out a lot and hit for a poor average already. As for Dunn, I have a very tuff time seeing the Sox winning with the Adam dunn I've seen the last three years. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 08:22 AM) It depends on what is meant by "Hefty salary commitment". I'm probably not interested at 3/$40 which is where I thought he'd be. I'd probably be interested at 3/under$30. I'm guessing Granderson will net 13m per season or more in which case I'm not interested based on my post above. I admit 10m per would be intriguing but not sure even then. Just my opinion is all.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 12:27 AM) Surprise twist: Keppinger is starting catcher! DOH! there goes that post! Awe hell back to the drawing board!

Outside of an extremely boring off season so far would someone please explain to me why we want to sign a 32 yo that has hit above .250 once since 08 , strikes out a ton and comes with a hefty contractual commitment ( both salary and years) ? Considering he was batting in the Yankee lineup, what can you reasonably expect from him in the Sox lineup who's offense was piss- poor at best last year? I want to see the sox get some players, but the right players. Going after Granderson just seems more like a move out of desperation than anything else. Just don't get it.

I think the best solution is to start Semien at AAA to get a better idea if he really is ready. Start Gillespie at 3rd ( assuming we don't trade for a 3B), then hope Beckham/ Ramirez have a good first half making themselves desirable by the trade deadline which opens up a spot for Semien. This alleviates the extra bench player which leaves us with Paulie, Garcia, C? and Danks on the bench. Now we can carry the extra arm in the pen which could very well be needed considering we'll have a young starter in the rotation anyway ( Santiago, Rienzo, Johnson). This is based on the current roster.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 06:23 PM) Now you talkin' to me baby, dat I like... I'm on the Hoffman train with Marty and others, if he looks like the best option come June. Building a vast stockpile of pitchers and trading for the bats we can't seem to develop ourselves may in fact be the plan that best takes advantage of what we seem to do well. I started on the Kolek wagon myself but Hoffman would most likely make it to the Sox rotation sooner so count me in. Like you said we have future trade bait or the best young rotation in baseball. Either way its a huge plus. Gonna try to find some video and see what Hoffman has to offer.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 06:11 PM) Or, we sign Tanaka, keep Sale, draft Hoffman, and then have pretty much the most dominant starting 4 in baseball with Sale-Tanaka-Quintana-Hoffman in 3 years. Possibly 5 if Danish developes as well.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 05:59 PM) Well, I told you I wasn't making any sense. But the "Nintendo" expression refers to the inherent craziness of 12 player/4 team trade proposals, and the like, and isn't really meant as an insult to anyone. Its cool and I apologize if I came across as an ass. I just to see this team get better is all. Everything I've said is based on "the right return". I do realize there's no guarantees the players in return would pan out so to speak but with the shape this team is in it would make sense to at least consider a trade if the right players were offered up. Otherwise keeping Sale is definitely a very good thing.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 05:27 PM) I hope this is all "Nintendo" talk. At the risk of not making any damn sense, I really don't want to trade Chris Sale, regardless of the return. His slider, imo, may be the most transcendent non-fastball pitch from a SP since the Koufax curve. For me, the slider makes him infinitely more fun to watch than Kershaw, Price or any other pitcher you can name. I enjoyed the hell out of him making Cargo and Tulo look like little-leaguers in the ASG. I fell in love early, and have looked forward to seeing him lead a playoff rotation for our guys. For this, I'm willing to wait a bit, if I feel we're at least heading in the right direction. I also believe that lacking a true Ace makes it very difficult to win the WS, and that our 2005 doesn't happen without Count's awesome run that ended in June of '06. Trading Sale who can only contribute to this team in 33 of 162 games per year is " Nintendo talk"? In the right trade Sale's return could fill multiple holes with players that can potentially help this team up 162 games per year each. This team is in dire need of help at multiple positions so the right return makes more sense than keeping one pitcher that can only help his team in 33 games per year. Now if Sale can play 3B, CF, 2B, C and LF than fine but until then the Sox need help bad! Your infatuation with Sale is obvious but I am a Sox fan first and foremost over any particular player. I would rather trade Sale to help make this team better overall than keep Sale out of pure puppy love.

I'm in too. Not sure how this would fit in with payroll but Hahn has said they would invest money in INTL FA's and Tanaka falls into that category no doubt.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 05:03 PM) I think it's fair to say Chris Sale should have the highest trade value of any pitcher in baseball right now. Without a doubt! Combine his age, contract, lefty and the fact that he's just damn good means a huge haul. His actual worth in a trade might be more than a team would give up tho. Hope I'm wrong on that.

I'm with ya Jose. The offer would have to be a damn good one but if the Sox can get an OF, 3B, front line starter and SS then do it. Bradley, Davidson, Pollack and Gregorius would get it done, IMO. If they insist no Bradley then Skaggs, Davidson, Gregorius plus a few other aspects is worth considering. Sale can only help this team roughly 33 games per year , but adding quality position playes in a trade such as this can help you much more often. The Sox could make a run at Tanaka with the few bucks saved in this trade scenario along with adding Bradley or Skaggs for the rotation in the near future. Hahn should at least keep his mind open. BMac was seen as untradable too and it wasn't long before Texas changed Kenny's mind.

QUOTE (staxx @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 03:01 PM) bradley, skaggs, gregorious and davidson I would be all over this. I like Sale as much as the next fan but as another poster already said the right haul would speed up the rebuilding quite a bit. Plus I'm still unsure of Sale's long term durability. Funny thing is a month ago the wifey and I were talking to each other about Sale to Arizona would be a fit for both teams provided Arizona caughed up the prospects.

I know there's a lot of time before ST but if this is all the Sox can do to improve a 99 loss team I'm uninspired to say the least. At this point I wont waste any time watching games and won't spend a f***ing penny on anything white Sox. I'll keep my money and they can have their precious Paulie. What a f***ing joke and waste of a roster spot!

Well, the edge for now goes to Bora's with the Ellsbury signing. We'll see what Jay-z can pull off soon enuff although it doesn't look good when they are dropping their demands.

Good grief this shows even the sports writers are bored and desperate for something to write about. The longer this "decision" takes the more annoyed I get with Paulie. With all the holes the sox have its not like the success of the 14' season hinges on Paulie. Let it ( the decision )and him go already.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 10:37 PM) More importantly, what does Jay-Z think about the Pacific Northwest? If Jay-Z got the money they were looking for I'm sure he'd be fine with it. Jay-Z Maguire anyone?

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 10:13 PM) I don't think so. I predicted the Mariners last week, and today's revelations make me think that may not have been a crazy guess. Financially speaking it makes perfect sense. Not sure how Can would feel about hitting at Safeco. Would have think the power numbers take a hit.

I know the Sox don't have the payroll space but the idea of Cano hitting at the Cell is just, WOW! Cano with Avi and Abreu batting around him is fun to think about.

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