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QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 09:37 AM) Let's say KC clubhouse is right and KC signs Gordon for 4 years and $70 million. What would you guess it would take in order to sign Cespedes knowing those numbers? 5 years, $100 million? Would that ultimately be out of the Sox comfort zone, I would assume yes... I don't think so. I think that the 3 year comment was just posturing. Ad I don't think they would be opposed to a nine figure deal

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 08:33 AM) Jennings was fine. Dude had some of the worst luck I've seen from a reliever in quite some time. Jennings has weird stats. He manages to have a much better ERA than his FIP would suggest he should have and he has had a sky high WHIP for his whole career.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:56 AM) I think you guys may be downplaying the importance of how a guy plays when he hits the big stage. Its a huge deal to come up and play like you belong. But hey, maybe I am over playing the fact he played well on the big stage, iono. His "playing like he belonged" was basically an unreal, non-sustainable first few weeks followed by a mediocre month that averaged out to a good looking stint. August: .469/.514/.844 September: .233/.310/.422

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 09:45 AM) He's always going to be poor defensively though. I just fear that he'll never hit enough to justify bad defense. From BaseballAmerica re: Avi: "Rated Best Defensive OF in the Detroit Tigers system after the 2011 season" What the hell happened?!

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 09:28 AM) Thompson AND Avi? I thought we'd want to keep one. Guess we'd be going with an OF of Cabrera/Eaton/...Shuck/FA? That feels steep. I feel like if it were Thompson AND Avi that Reddick would almost have to be included in that deal too

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) Who says they are going to sell low on him. Being open to trading him and trading him for peanuts are two completely different things. If they don't get an offer they like, they keep him. But part of the problem is that they are so poor as talent evaluators that even in "an offer they like" they will likely end up with sub par pieces coming back.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 06:43 PM) The most likely outcome after the season: Robin gets an extension. KW sticks around. Signs some overpaid veterans who will contribute very little in 2016. My God, I wish I didn't think you are exactly right. I agree with you about clearing out KW, Robin, plus anyone who has anything to do with hitting instruction, and I would probably look at getting rid of Buddy Bell too because player development has been sub par for a while now. But I think that what you wrote is far more likely, because of how loyal Jerry is to people in his organization regardless of what shows up on the field.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) Trade Samardzija. You will be glad you did it later or regret not doing it if you hold onto him. *applause* Been saying this for days.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 09:58 AM) And it would strengthen Detroit in the future. I'm hoping Detroit wins today and stays pat. Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago Executive involved in bidding for Price believes #BlueJays may indeed be close to landing him. “Not going to go on much longer,” he said.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 09:09 AM) Watching MLB network and they just talked to Morisi who said he thinks we are buyers, obviously but what is interesting is he thinks we buy another SP. The names he mentioned were Ian Kennedy from SD or Mike Leake from Cincy. No mention of a bat at all. Leake and Bruce?

The trade that would shake up Chicago Sale for Castro & Schwarber

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 11:43 AM) Playing what-if, they could easily have gone 3-3 instead of 1-5 on that post all star game homestand. What is that? Using that rationale, you could go back through the season and find probably a dozen games or more that could have gone one way or the other and that would make them either one of the best teams or the worst team in baseball. Could they have won? Sure. Did they? No.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) I want Cespedes way more than CarGo. He'll wind up costing just as much though. KW doesn't view prospects as future major leaguers, he views them as a means to acquire current major leaguers.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 10:45 AM) I'm fine with it as long as we don't do something stupid like trade Adams/Anderson for CarGo/Upton. Carlos Gonzalez is the most likely, IMO. Has KW all over it. He'll mortgage the future for a misguided attempt at contending.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) I don't think the Blue Jays have the ammo for Q after the Tulo deal They absolutely do. It's just a matter of them most likely not wanting to gut the farm system. Norris, Sanchez, Pompey, Pentecost, Reid-Foley, Alford

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:39 AM) But how can you attribute those results to him when it's not clear which moves were made/inspired by which executive? Therein lies the insulation in which unfettered loyalty is conceived. That's a gorgeous sentence.

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 2m2 minutes ago AL executive: "As of today I am comfortable saying Price doesn't get traded, and doubtful on Samdardzija" If neither moves SP mkt dims

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) Baltimore, Cubs, Toronto, Houston...they beat those teams as well. Explain. I'm not suggesting that it is impossible for them to beat any good teams. What I'm saying is that this team has been remarkably streaky all season long and for us to now, all of a sudden, decide that we can win 60+% of our games from here on out is irresponsible. This team, to this point in the season, has had a historically bad offense (The Impressively Poor White Sox Offense). I don't think that one impressive offensive weekend against bad teams should change the course of action for this team.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:15 AM) Did buckets say by what type of offer? Pressure is on Toronto and us frankly. We're hot and playing well. Shark goes out and has a good game and we win 6-1, then it's even more interesting. Since the All Star break the Sox are 5-0 against bad teams (CLE & BOS) and 1-5 against good teams (KC & STL). 18 of the next 28 games are against good, playoff contending teams and to realistically have a shot at the playoffs, they would need to play ~.600 ball the rest of the season. I can't fathom why they are even contemplating being buyers at this point.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:09 PM) KW is in charge. Terrific. The guy that has mortgaged the farm system time and time again on his way to one playoff appearance and a single playoff win since 2005 is still calling the shots? Why even promote Rick Hahn then? All that accomplished was giving both of them more money to be in the same roles they were in all along. Baseball America Organizational Talent Rankings White Sox - 2001-2012 (KW Era) 2001 - 1 2002 - 9 2003 - 15 2004 - 20 2005 - 12 2006 - 14 2007 - 25 2008 - 30 2009 - 16 2010 - 23 2011 - 27 2012 - 30 2007 to 2012 was KW being desperate to win again at all costs. 2013 & 2014 ended in nearly 200 losses as a result of that desperation. The Sox have 1 playoff win to show for it since 2005 and KW is still calling the shots.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 09:48 PM) Could it be a tactic to try to get more? I wish. But I sorta doubt it. I really think that there are people in the organization that think they're gonna make a real run out of this. I want to believe that too, but this is the third really good stretch of the season and they always regress.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) MAYBE related? Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 20m20 minutes ago #sfgiants prioritize No. 2 SP behind Bumgarner, but can't find match. 1 club asked for SS Lucius Fox, signed earlier this month (cont) I feel like the Sox and Giants don't match up especially well for a trade.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 09:23 AM) All focus needs to be on improving the team's chances for the future. The best way to do that is to obtain quality prospects by trading away veterans. Regardless of this recent sweep in Cleveland, this team is still bad. Don't let beating a very bad team confuse your thought process. The White Sox have been getting killed by the Twins and Royals all season long. The options are simple: 1) Trade Samardzija for prospects knowing that he will likely leave via free agency anyway. 2) Keep him, he signs elsewhere, the White Sox obtain a supplemental draft pick in next years MLB draft. Option 1 is better because you would most likely get more than one prospect who is closer to being MLB ready. Those of you who are optimists, I'd say even if you trade Samardzija, Erik Johnson can be plugged right into the rotation and pick up where he left off down in Charlotte. We have to be practical fans here and not let the emotion of a possible 'strong finish' get in the way. KW made this mistake time and time again as the GM of this team. I REALLLLY hope Hahn doesn't do this same thing. This is astonishingly close to being exactly how I feel about this team at the moment. Well said!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:16 AM) Is a B prospect for Samardzija really the best move for the "long term health" of the franchise? A win or two the next couple of days makes things more than interesting. Are the Sox coming out of hibernation? Probably not, but what if they are? Again, jumping teams is not that big of a deal because of the similar loss columns. The Sox just need to win games. They just need Minnesota to fade. Who knows, other teams fade as well. The 2005 White Sox faded quite a bit IIRC. If teams want to give the White Sox a really nice prospect or 2 go for it. If it is a middle of the road guy, trade him in August when teams out of it won't claim him, and the team that probably needs him does. If Forbes is to be believed, the White Sox don't need a salary dump. They claim the team has made a cumulative profit of $219 million since 2002. No, I'm not saying that they should trade him for any warm body that a team is willing to part with. If the trade is a fair value and net a nice return, do it. If they were to decide not to sell, they need to stand pat. I can't see a scenario where it would be beneficial at all to become buyers. Developing a "go for it" mentality after a nice weekend series is the worst thing they could do. You're right, the Sox did fade in 2005. They had a ~15 game lead at the beginning of August and ended up winning by 1 or 2 games. But that had as much to do with Cleveland not losing as it did with the Sox fading out. Cleveland put together a fairly absurd run in the last couple months.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:31 AM) They are 5-5 in their last 10 games. Have things changed that much? When you're playing catch-up, playing .500 ball is probably not the way to do that. They should be sellers, but there isn't much to sell outside of the obvious (Samardzjia). I'll start by saying that I absolutely agree with you, they need to sell. That is the best move for the long term health of the organization. The problem is that, despite being 5-5 in their last 10, they're 13-8 in July. That's plenty good enough to play catch-up. But, I can't trust them to keep playing that way because they went 10-16 in June. It frustrates me to no end that anyone in this organization could even think about being buyers at the deadline.