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1 hour ago, SoCalChiSox said:
The offer is prolly garbage because Elias is smelling blood in the water after the Fedde disaster.
I bet Norby, Beavers for Crochet AND Banks.
Dude is a shark circling his prey.
Would be our worst nightmare and a cheery on top of this s%*# sandwich of a season if Getz blew a major trade like Crochet or Robert
Unless you are getting a sky high, clear overpay of a return they should keep him. Force another club to really pony up if they want him.
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11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
That seems like a reasonable framework of a deal. It would have been nice to pull one more lower level lottery ticket kind of guy, but that isn't awful. And honestly, if it is the leading deal at this point, you probably take it.
Scott II has had a really rough 2024 season, as has Walker
Could be a buy low opportunity, but I would rather target players with helium vs. top prospects who are struggling
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6 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:
Orioles are going to waste their window and I love it.
They are in a tough spot in that unless you are going to spend big at the top of the market, you cannot really afford to be trading away your best prospects
I agree they need to add higher end pitching to really have a shot at a deep playoff run
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6 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Here are my final predictions:
Trade #1:
- Exchange: SP Garrett Crochet & RP Michael Kopech to BAL for 1B/3B Coby Mayo, OF Dylan Beavers, 2B Connor Norby, & LHP Luis DeLeon
- Rationale: Despite the skepticism, Elias finally nuts up for Crochet after being unable to acquire Skubal. Sox get one elite positional prospect in Mayo plus two other near major league bats that can help speed up the timing of the rebuild greatly. Kopech is also part of the trade to give the O’s another back-end relief option for 2024 & 2025, with a young, projectable LH arm coming back to the Sox help balance things out.
Trade #2:
- Exchange: CF Luis Robert to PHI for SS Aiden Miler, OF Justin Crawford, & RHP Mick Abel
- Rationale: All the “Phillies don’t need to add” talk turns out to be nothing as Dombrowski can’t resist landing the elite CF he needs to cap off the roster. He gives up two high-end prospects in Miller & Crawford, but keeps Painter and Caba (who can eventually replace Turner when he ages out). Sox also got a Brian Bannister special in Abel, whose stock has fallen materially since the start of the season.
Trade #3:
- Exchange: SP Erick Fedde to CLE for 1B Ralphy Velazquez & RHP Andrew Walters
- Raitonale: The Guardians are desperate for SP and are able to land one who can be part of a playoff rotation and is also cheap and controllable for another season. After landing multiple RH hitters in other trades, the Sox get a young LH 1B/DH type who can potentially be an impact hitter in a few years. As a sweetener, the Sox also get a high upside, near major league ready relief prospect who can slot into a role next year.
Beyond these trades, I fully expect Pham, DeJong, & Brabbia to be dealt with Flexen & Banks also legit options to to be moved. For these guys, I’d mostly expect lottery tickets so unable to really speculate on specific returns.
Those would be some outstanding deals for the White Sox, especially the Baltimore deal. Hard to imagine they would part with anywhere near that much talent though.
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2 hours ago, hogan873 said:
That's a haul for Crochet. And the Robert trade seems pretty light.
I think if either guy gets traded, the Crochet return will be lighter, and the Robert return would be a little better.
The Crochet deal is a pretty nice package of prospect for sure
Robert deal is not close at all. No deal for Sox.
Fedde return would be extemely weak. No deal for Sox.
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21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
Yeah it is going to be much harder to be "in it" at the deadline, not add, and miss the playoffs and explain that to your fanbase, versus adding and missing out. At least you tried kind of stuff goes further.
Especially with a guy like Fedde who is signed for a really reasonable $7.5 million next season. If he kept pitching this well and was a free agent he would easily be entertaining 3+ year offers for $15+ million annually
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26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
I know we are in the stage of the deadline where it is all about who teams WON'T deal, but eventually someone is going to look at the last half of the season, his current playoff chances, and blink.
Sellers tend to have the advantage this time of year. Pressure is on contending clubs to add meaningful pieces ofr a playoff push, and if the pricetag is not met you just hold onto your asset as a seller.
As the clock ticks closer to the deadline, the pressure will rise to make something happen. Keep waiting if I am the Sox.
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18 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
That feels light for Crochet, imo. Rushing would be a disappointing centerpiece for several reasons.
Also feels light to me for Crochet
I need one sure fire headlining prospect of the caliber that onl;y gets dealt in a blockbuster plus more
Rushing, Freeland and Ferris are all really good prospects, but I would not call any of them elite.
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1 minute ago, ron883 said:
Like somebody else said, I wish they'd just lony up 5y/150m and sign Crochet. The guy is special.
There is arguably more risk than reward in extending Crochet 2 1/2 seasons away from free agency though
Sox are not going to be competitive in the near term, so as great as Crochet has looked it may make sense to cash him in for young, cost controlled talent and build for the future.
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4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:
I read once that every system has a guy another team wants. Somebody who they were going to take in the 7th round, and that team grabbed him 3 picks ahead. Even when the Sox were a bottom 5 system, they still had Montas and Bassit lurking in the teens. Semien was seen by some as an eventual utility infielder. So Houston probably has talent that can be developed, somebody just needs to trade for it and develop it.
I get what you are saying, but the Astros have objectively a bottom five garm system in the MLB. I doubt they would be able to beat what other clubs would offer in a Fedde trade, but I could be wrong if the Sox really like certain prospect(s).
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32 minutes ago, Snopek said:
Even though I fully agree that Fedde > Eflin, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few teams that preferred Eflin for whatever reason. As caulfield says, that's really the only thing that matters. Exclamation Point!
Fedde's $7.5 million salary for next season vs Eflin's $18 million is a substantial difference to many clubs
The money alone makes him worth more on such a reasonable deal the rest of this season and next
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22 hours ago, steveno89 said:
Something like this is exactly the type of return the White Sox should be looking for for Fedde
A young position player and young pitcher, both with upside.
We are currently looking at Orioles, Guardians, Mariners, Phillies, Brewers, Dodgers , Yankees, Twins, Astros, Braves, Cardinals, Padres as potential deadline buyers
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On 6/25/2024 at 8:08 PM, WestEddy said:
Something like this is exactly the type of return the White Sox should be looking for for Fedde
A young position player and young pitcher, both with upside.
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19 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:
If his price today was cheap, we would have already resigned him. The kid is two years and four months from free agency. If he has made it this far without extending, I would bet money he has no intention of doing so right now. If he has any sense at all, he is looking at the market for pitching and not being willing to give away free agent years unless he gets a lot more money in the next two years, plus some decent money in his free agent years. If Tyler Glasnow is a $27.5 million pitcher for 5 years, Garrett has to be thinking the same thing of himself.
Perhaps, but the track record is still really short
Sox should approach him about an extension and if the ask is reasonable a deal should get done
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12 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said:
On the contrary, he should still be able to fetch a kings ransom so it makes sense to do it now.
We need multiple Top 100 position players ASAP.
Robert's salaries are only going to escalate from here, so get as much value as you can.
They should still be able to get 3 Top 100s including one Top 10.
I actually doubt there is another club willing to part with anywhere near that much considering his injury history^
I am actrually on board with trading Robert Jr, Crochet, Fedde, Pham, DeJong, Kopech, Etc. as I think they need to blow this up and totally rebuild with a clean slate.
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The glass half full fan in me wants to vote "B", but experience tells me this is a C grade trade for the Sox
Does it have potential to work out if Thorpe/Iriarte/Zavala pan out? Of course, but I am not sure how likely that is with the White Sox
Thorpe dominated lower minor league hitters as a polished college right hander with a plus-plus changeup, but the 90-93 MPH fastball may not threaten MLB hitters enough. I also do not love his upright delivery, similar to Rodon, that may lead to shoulder and/or elbow issues down the line. He profiles as a #4, but with more ceiling if he can somehow find 94-96 MPH fastball velocity.
Iriarte is the guy to dream on, with a potential three plus pitch mix. The control and command would need to take a full grade forward for him to stick as a starter. He reminds me of Reynaldo Lopez, with a bit less velocity. I pray for a starter, but far more likely he winds up in the bullpen.
Zavala could be the prize of this trade, although he is quite a ways away from the majors. Impressive numbers at age 18/19 in low A, but will need to see him hit at the high A level before having an idea of what he could become. Dream of a MLB regular, but who knows?
This is a serviceable package, although fans surely were hoping for at least one truly premium prospect in return for Cease. Getz could not risk carrying him into the regular season, where an injury or poor performance could sink his value.
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18 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:
Not a Porter fan? Walcott and Porter would be outstanding
I like Porter a lot. Talented arm, but there is considerable reliever risk with him as well.
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2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:
Something like Woo + Montes + Clase doable? Montes is pretty intriguing. I feel like the Sox would prefer an OF closer to the majors. Gabriel Gonzaelez just feels like more of what we have so I'd prefer he not be a major part of the trade. I would certainly take him over Clase in the proposed deal, but that feels pretty heavy with the Woo headliner.
I doubt the Mariners would consider trading him, but Colt Emerson would absolutely be who I would target in a trade.
He could break out in a big way in 2024.
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3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:
If Mayo can’t stick at 3B, I don’t really love the fit. Unless he can play an average OF defense.
Mayo would be a tremendous get as headliner from the Orioles. Big Pop and arm. Should be able to play passable third base, or possibly RF.
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12 hours ago, Frobby said:
From an MLBTR chat today;
Up in the air
Who says no? Westburg, Stowers, Pham, and Wagner for Cease or
Mark P
That's a pretty good offer, even if the White Sox are reportedly/seemingly looking to add pitching. They'd probably want a higher-tier pitching prospect than Pham.
That simply is not close to getting a deal done
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13 minutes ago, poppysox said:
If the Cubs are successful in resigning Bellinger...Pete Crow-Armstrong will be blocked as is Madrigal. My belief is we need to find blocked players that are major league ready at our two weakest positions. I like Madrigal more than most here, but the concept of blocked players is my interest in posting. The two position players I mention plus a #3/4 potential SP and perhaps a RP with potential would be a very satisfactory return for Cease.
Nick Madrigal does absolutely nothing for the White Sox moving forward and has little, if any, trade value. Hard pass.
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1 hour ago, WestEddy said:
Something called The Wrightway Sports Network wrote an article just throwing names against the wall. He seems to be focused on guys who already have pitched in the bigs and started their clocks. I don't know the Pirates' system, but some of the names thrown around (by some podcast nobody) seem to be big leaguers (Connor Joe?), who I can't imagine Getz being interested in.
https://twsn.net/2023/12/the-pittsburgh-pirates-need-to-trade-for-dylan-ceaseNone of those packages would get a Cease deal done^
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13 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:
I too am accepting that it will be ATL and that I'll hate the return. It's sad that Getz is putting his pig headed belief in Limp Dick Ball ahead of the good of the team but whatever. IMO, even if BAL gave him the package he wanted he still wouldn't do it, he's just using them to drive up the price for an all pitching deal elsewhere. Even if Elias wasn't prospect hoarding, I'm increasingly of the belief that BAL is out.
I'm not going to twist myself into a pretzel to believe it's a good return. I'm not going to call chicken s%*# chicken salad. f*** Atlanta, f*** the Royals and f*** Chris Getz.
Not necessarily in that order.
Although ATL makes sense as a suitor, I do not see them being the trade destination at the end of the day unless the Sox are hell bent on adding pitching
Cincinnati, Cubs, Red Sox, Dodgers, Giants, Braves, Cardinals, Orioles, Phillies, Twins, Blue Jays, Yankees could all make degrees of sense
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37 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
O's have to give to get. They aren't going to have roster space for all these dudes, and at some point they need to supplement their roster, especially on the pitching side. I am not taking anything but an A+ offer from anyone else until the O's meet my price.
100%. Screw the Orioles unless we are getting two of Mayo/Cowser/Kerjstad/Basallo plus more
I see too many posts by fans suggesting what I consider to be really light return packages for Cease
Although it makes sense to deal him, the Sox can refuse to trade him unless they get exactly what they want in return.
I rightfully want a king's ransom. Why should we be considering less than the Luis Castillo trade when Cease has two full seasons of control?
Crochet Trade Updates (Nightengale)
in Trade Winds 2024
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I would hate that with a passion