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QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 04:00 PM) Not rabbit but to me, Acuna is best prospect in baseball Based upon pure upside right now? Acuna is likely right near the top, although you could certainly argue a case for Moncada and Rosario as well.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) That's probably fairest of the four but I would take that for Q right now and not look back. I think people need to adjust their expectations. All the Sox need is for one team to separate from the pack and pony up. Q's contract gets more valuable over time with the huge cost of free agent starting pitching. I'm willing to set realistic expectations, but I also want a nice package back.

QUOTE (whitesoxwinner @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 03:39 PM) Which opposing teams wouldn't do those trades? No way Braves deal Acuna + Soroka + Gohara + lotto for Quintana. That is a monster package.

QUOTE (whitesoxwinner @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) Who says no or do they both do it: White Sox: Quintana Yankees: Frazier, Andujar, Fowler White Sox: Quintana Braves: Acuna, Soroka, Gohara +lotto White Sox: Quintana Brewers: Brinson, Dubon, Phillips +lotto White Sox: Quintana Rockies: Rodgers, McMahon, Lambert #1 Sox say no #2 Sox say yes, close the deal and run before the Braves realize what they just did #3 Meh, Sox say no. Need a better second piece than Dubon #4 Interesting for sure, could be a potential framework.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 02:55 PM) Would the cubs give up he, Schwarber or Happ and Jimenez for Quintana? No. Quintana is not going to be traded to the Cubs

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 02:39 PM) whitesoxdave‏ @barstoolWSD Haven't heard anything at all today buttttt apparently Cease was just scratch from his start tonight Doubt it is related

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 02:21 PM) Swarzak also has no history of being this good, or close to it. That will be the big negative when it comes to him. For relievers we live in a "what have you done for me lately" sort of league right now. Swarzak's peripherals are very good and he should generate some interest as a middle relief option for a contender. He is a pure rental and won't be priced as high as guys like Robertson/Kahnle/Hand/etc.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 02:08 PM) I think it is because they believe something is close. You can't just not pitch him until something gets done, but this also buys you a couple extra days to complete your deal before you are forced to pitch him. No one will really bat an eye that he is scheduled Sunday instead of Friday, but they would if he was scheduled Tuesday or Wednesday. Sox likely not sure something will be done by Friday/Saturday, but if not done by Sunday you pitch him and continue to field offers upto the deadline. Pretty much zero smoke or leaks today, although it is still early.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 02:02 PM) I'd love a Duke type of deal, minus the whole players all suffering horrific injuries part. Swarzak has arguably been even better than Duke was at the time he was traded. A similar return, ideally minus the injuries, should certainly be possible.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:56 PM) As you can see with the stats of our Charlotte starters the last few years, it's not a great place to pitch. I think Fulmer can put similar stats in the MLB. You can at least allow Coop to work with him and get a fresh start. If he sucks you learn more about him and help the rebuild, if he's better that's progress. I want Giolito to continue his progress and Lopez is ready but you might as well wait. Fulmer has been a mess this past month, I'm not sure about calling him up right now.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) What does Swarzak net back? I assume a very mediocre prospect or two Hard to say. Contenders are always looking for bullpen help at the deadline, and Swarzak is having a career year. Could be an attractive rental piece for sure.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) @jonmorosi Anthony Swarzak is a sleeper trade candidate. He's having career year with #WhiteSox, will be free agent after '17; 1.00 WHIP in 41 IP. @MLB Sorry posting from my phone Swarzak will be pitching for a different team August 1st barring injury. He should be able to return a decent piece.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 10:13 AM) Nightengale has nothing. Rosenthal has nothing. Heyman has nothing. Passan was all over the place, nothing specific. Those guys saying something is close would seem to help the White Sox extract a bigger package. So if something is close, I question the lack of leaks, unless the package is so premium, they would be worried the opposite side would pull out if word leaked out. There is smoke from our local guys, but outside of Passan saying "maybe" there is not much to go off of. I'm with you Dick, I'll buy in much more once national guys tweet about it.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:57 AM) It's smart to get this done sooner than later because of other teams still in limbo in regards to whether they're buying or selling. Q is the domino that needs to drop for the rest of the market to heat up it seems. We have plenty of other pieces on sale right now ready to move.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) Ha, that's kind of impossible to answer. "If we were a contender" would mean to me we had some great pieces on our roster and the same farm? I guess I'd hope to get away with it by trading Robert, Collins and like Jordan Stephens. I would think some combination of of Robert/Hansen/Collins/Adams/Burger/Guerrero would be an appealing package Side note: Ben Almquist‏ @citadelchief 7m7 minutes ago More Ben Almquist Retweeted KC Kingdom Quintana would be a big addition to the rotation, but the White Sox are going to expect a lot in return. Not sure it's worth it. #Royals Worth what? The Royals farm system is bottom 5 in the mlb?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:25 AM) I thought the Pirates/Yankees fan bases rated him appropriately. Completely unsurprised most think they can get him with trash as that is typical, we do it too. Astros fans were the harshest, but it seemed to be coming from complete confidence that all of their prospects were awesome, which, I would hope is the case since we are trying to acquire theirs. Haven't met a rockies fan in my life and haven't seen much from brew crew. Braves fans seem to want to steer clear of Quintana. Hypothetically speaking, it is interesting to consider what we would be willing to give up from our own farm system for Quintana if we were a contender? I'm sure the ask would be steep, but we do have the farm to pull a deal off now.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) It's because of his name, record and start this year. People of those fan bases don't know about the 65 NDs since 2012 Fans do not think about how valuable 3 1/2 prime seasons of control for roughly $32 million is in today's mlb. That is absolute peanuts compared to what a #1/#2 starting pitcher will cost in free agency. A guy like Darvish could easily be looking at a 6/150 million contract this offseason, if not more in a competitive market? If I am a contender and could add a player like Q to my roster without surrendering any player off of the 25 man roster I would be heavily involved. Prospects flame out all the time, with proven players you know what you are getting.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:08 AM) I traded Q to NY in MLB the show back during the winter meetings for a Frazier, Judge + package. I'm surprised by how many fanbases are reacting negatively to their team's perceived interest in Quintana. Typically fans want their team to go for it and trade for impact talent. Quintana just does not resonate with most casual fans outside of Chicago it seems. Knowledgeable fans know how valuable he is.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 08:57 AM) The only thing that has me a bit hesitant is that trade rumors/talks have been pretty hot like this before where you thought it would be any moment only to fall apart. I get the sense they have progressed a little further than those previous talks did but you never know. We all thought a deal was close in the winter with the Pirates and Yankees being very involved. This feels like it could be getting close, but even Passan admitted he did not really know if a deal would happen. He said he would lean towards one happening, but nothing is certain.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 09:41 PM) It seems like a month ago people were writing Spencer off... mostly because they were. It's terrific to see Adams really taking developmental steps forward this season. Seven out of his past ten outings have been quality starts, he's keeping the walks down and getting more strikeouts. If he continues to have 92-94 mpg fastball velocity there is some mid rotation upside left in him. Control is tough to lean and he already has it. Digging a bit deeper into his numbers, his FIP is 3.12 and xFIP is 2.92 in AA this year. 7.51 K/9 is certainly an improvement and he's only walking 1.51 BB/9.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 08:45 AM) Yeah, by then the deal is basically done. The crazy part about what started yesterday is you never know whether that can lead to the Rosenthal tweet or nothing. Nothing is confirmed until it's confirmed. After so many months of Quintana being on the market, I would imagine a deal could come together very quickly at this point. Once the Sox receive an acceptable offer, they will courtesy contact each suitor and inform them an acceptable offer has been made and that it is time to get in your final offers. Not sure what stage we are at right now though? Is this just more interest, or is a deal close?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 08:40 AM) Passan did last night. He did in the podcast, but he did not say whether a deal was happening now now, or just by the deadline. Once Rosenthal jumps in you know that something is going down soon.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 08:36 AM) Anyone else hoping Rick had put in the last call to teams? So are we thinking a deal gets announced today/tomorrow? So much smoke, but nothing confirmed. I tend to believe the stove is hot when the national guys like Passan/Rosenthal start tweeting about it. They are very well connected across the league.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 07:54 AM) I'll probably get mocked for this, but I don't like that Brinson is 23, with the clock running, and has had a May-esque cup of coffee in MLB. I know 35 PAs are stupid, but it just bugs me. Didn't like it with Moncada, Giolito or Lopez either. Give me Albies and some other Braves (Gohara and Pache would receive no complaints here). 20 years old in AAA, plus defender, low K rate, yes please. Although, I will ask, how's Brinson's D? All MLB says is that his speed can compensate for shaky reads and jumps, which sounds iffy. Brinson projects as a plus defender in center field, with a plus arm. He should be able to handle any OF position.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 07:33 PM) Much more likely to be bucket, who is probably Rick Hahn. I think it's strange that no other team's rumor mill is churning like ours is about this.