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QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 12:47 PM) Would something big actually happen on the day of the AS game? Pot is stirring it seems

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) Moncada wasn't on the table until hours before the Sox traded Sale and RH told Dombrowski, Sale was going. As soon as he can tell these teams it's happening, their best offer will then be known. The more the merrier. Exactly. When Hahn returns phone calls and said that Quintana is being traded soon and to get your final offers in is when we see the "heavy names". Teams will not show their cards until the pressure is on. Exactly like you said, Moncada was not on the table until Hahn called Dombrowski and informed him about the Nationals Robles + Giolito/Lopez centric deal. Boston then upped the offer to include Moncada and got a deal done.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 12:29 PM) The way you state those team names - with authority - it seems like you've got an inside track here. Couple that with the continued, "disappointed" references... I've got to ask: Do you know of any of the packages being discussed / offered / countered at this stage? For me to be overtly disappointed the Sox would have to settle for a package significantly less than Sale/Eaton A Rutherford headlined deal from the Yankees would quality A Fisher headlined deal from the Astros A Ray headlined deal from the Brewers A McMahon headlined deal from the Rockies Essentially a deal where we accept a team's second tier guys and allow the buyer to keep the truly elite prospects off the table would be disappointing.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) Brian Bilek @BrianBilek_ now I was told earlier this week Milwaukee, New York and Colorado were leading the way on Q but nobody came forward with the "heavy names" yet. Yes please

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) Who the hell is Ryan McGuffey lol I'll buy into the Quintana smoke when the National guys start to tweet about it Although, enough ground work has been laid that a deal could come together pretty quickly

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) Ryan McGuffey‏ @RyanMcGuffey 17s17 seconds ago More While in Miami, was told from strong source that 100 percent, Jose Quintana gets dealt & maybe 'sooner than you think'. #WhiteSox Perhaps, but unless a contender significantly ups the trade package offer I do not feel like any deal appears to be close. Hahn and Co. should have a very good idea of what his trade value is and if a trade package is the right move to make. We very well could be seeing Quintana's market heating up as teams realize the Sox are serious about moving him. Time to get offers in.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 10:06 AM) At a minimum the White Sox are looking to trade Melky Frazier Swarzak Pelfrey Holland Gonzalez We also know that the rest of MLB really wants Q and Robertson at the very least. Teams have also asked about Abreu for sure. That is nine different players right there. I don't see the Sox getting all that much for the above players, outside of Quintana/Robertson. Melky and Frazier just do not have much value, with the slight edge going to Frazier in value. Pelfrey/Holland/Gonzalez are pretty much worthless via trade Swarzak might get you a piece like Duke did last year, or be a throw in as a part of a larger deal.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 09:24 AM) I find Albies so underrated here and it's entirely due to comps. I would really like to land a player like Albies, as I also feel he is very underrated. He is the sort of player that really can help a championship caliber roster with his bat, speed and defense. The Braves could definitely swing a Q trade, but have yet to show the willingness to part with top prospects.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:30 PM) OBP machine. Quickly becoming one of my favorite prospects in the system. The issue for Yurchak seems to be defensively. He's already committed 6 errors in only 17 games in rookie ball. Unless the defense improves it will be tough for him to advance very far in the system.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 09:08 PM) Great post, great format. I just don't think the Astros like Quintana. The Dodgers one is interesting but I'm skeptical sox would ever eat money like that. If sox got a return like that for Avi though that would be amazing. I like the ideas, except the Sox taking on Gonzalez and his $22 million. I don't think ownership wants to spend over $20 million on one player while rebuilding. Should be a fun deadline for the Sox. Tucker + Whitley + Nova + Valdez is actually a well thought out offer. It's a good blend of upside, but also likely a price that the Astros might find reasonable. They have a pretty deep farm that could absorb the loss of those prospects.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 03:07 PM) Yanks deal is solid, but that Brewers deal - you may as well keep Q. You can get that deal (not same players, obviously) when Q has far less control. That Brewers deal is light for Quintana. Frazier + Adams + Andujar + Abreu is a solid, but not spectacular deal. I would not be too upset, but we all are hoping for more. Hahn is not taking demands from "Tucker + Martes + Musgrove" level down to one headliner and secondary pieces. Sox are smart not to panic and hold out for the trade package they need.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) I also think that a lot of us trade Sale to Boston rather than Washington was knowing we got 3/4ths the deal the Nationals offered in the Eaton deal. The Sale negotiations laid most of the groundwork for the Eaton deal that followed. We knew exactly which prospects were in play from Washington's side.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 01:58 PM) Look at Washington's rumored offer for Sale. Robles, Giolito, Lopez, & Dunning. I bet many of us would argue that's a better overall package than than what we ultimately accepted from Boston. I think problem here is that the Sox placed incredibly high rankings on Moncada & Kopech (rightfully so) that they didn't want to risk losing them over secondary pieces. There was an article that came out shortly after the trade that made it pretty clear that Dombrowski would have given up a little more than he ultimatlry did. Not Devers or Groome, but definitely better overall value than Basabe & Diaz. I also think there was some marketing going on and the Sox really wanted to say they traded Sale for the #1 prospect in baseball, although I'm sure this was a smaller consideration. I do not recall hearing that the Nationals offered Robles + Giolito + Lopez + Dunning for Sale. That would be arguably a better return than we got from Boston. I believe that Robles was in play for Sale, but likely either Giolito or Lopez + another piece or two, not both of them AND Dunning. Robles was not on the table for Eaton, otherwise I'm sure the Sox would have wanted him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) If that happened great. But from what all reports seem to be, something like this would be by far the best offer out there. No reason to panic, as buyers won't show their cards until the deadline. White Sox have leverage as they do not need to deal Quintana unless the return is solid. Nothing wrong with starting out with a high ask like Torres + Frazier

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 12:40 PM) This could be very interesting. If the Sox were willing to back off of the two top guys, and take say 1 top guy plus 4-5 B guys instead, is the deal still worth it? A depth deal could likely be trumped by another suitor at the deadline, I think the Sox would not be inclined to accept something like that when they do not have to.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) This is a good point on The Yanks past, but I don't think the Sox want to wait til the Last couple days of June. I really think people are goin g to be disappointed in the return for Q. Sox might not want to, but the market might dictate the Sox have to wait until the heat gets turned up on contenders with only two months left until the playoffs. I hope you are wrong and that we don't settle for a lesser deal for the sake of trading Quintana. The Cubs could be a dark horse due to their pressing need for quality starting pitching. They are in the middle of their contention window and adding a cost controlled starter like Quintana would go a long way towards replacing Arrieta/Lackey after this season.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 07:38 AM) Packages I would take for Quintana: HOU: Tucker, Whitley, Alvarez NYY: Frazier, Adams, Andujar, Abreu MIL: Brinson, Ortiz, Diaz CHC: Jimenez, Cease, Candelario, Perlaza ATL: Acuna, Anderson, Riley Any of these riduculous? Yankees give up four top 10 guys, but Frazier is a cut below those other OFs based on the most recent mid-year prospect rankings. And it would clear three spots from their 40 man roster crunch. Those are reasonable trade ideas for what it would take the White Sox to move Quintana. Hahn knows they absolutely cannot sell low on the final blue chip trade piece we have. Remains to be seen what teams will be willing to offer as the deadline approaches. I see the Dodgers and Astros being very motivated buyers given how strong they have been so far. Quintana would be a prime addition to any contender.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 11:29 AM) Melky probably makes sense for the Yankees with what is going on with Bird. He gives them OF depth, but can DH everyday and let Holliday play 1B for the rest of the year. It won't be cost prohibitive in terms of prospects, and would provide an upgrade on their current production. Yankees are going to wait until the deadline to assess before making any moves. They likely are not championship contenders this season, and I think they prefer to hang onto their farm assets.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 09:51 AM) There is similarity - Verlander is just more expensive. Verlander makes $28 million per; Shields $22 million per. Verlander has 3.5 years left; Shields had 2.5 years left. Verlander's 2 years younger than Shields - so by the time the contract liability is paid out, both will be of the same age. If the Tigers sell it for the same percentage that the Padres did, the buyer would be on the hook for about $44 million ($7, $13, $13, $11) for 3.5 years of team control. Certainly more $ and years than Shields (Who also inexplicably cost prospects), but to do a deal like this, the acquiring team has to be looking in the past. And Verlander's past was better. Maybe someone would bite if they cut it to $30 million. I hope the Tigers are stuck with him. Doubtful the Tigers would be willing to eat $30 million of his contract just to move him. Plus they will still want significant prospects in return for doing so. I doubt he gets traded.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) Garza and Suter are 3/4. Ch. Anderson and Guerra both on DL. They need pitching pretty desperately. But at what cost? The two anonymous GM's were not kidding when they said the cost for Quintana/Gray would be Brinson + Hader + Phillips (or a very similar package). I think the Brewers would be open to dealing their second tier prospects, but not Brinson or Hader

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) A prospect in the top 100, top 25 in some publications, wouldn't be mentioned (or if leeway for hyperbole, rarely mentioned, or people wouldn't be excited about him)? I do think that it's a little suspect that Tatis suddenly blows the prospect lists out of the water after 2 months in the Padres organization, after barely being mentioned in the Sox org. It also might illustrate some of the Sox gap in trading Q...they knew that Tatis was a good prospect and improving, so if they are willing to move him for the aging and mediocre (at best) Shields, why in the world wouldn't a team want to send 3 good prospects for Q? I chalk it up to Tatis starting to break out. If the Sox knew he had the potential to be a top 100 prospect no way they deal him in the Shield's trade. There will always be some risk when dealing such young players, but I'm not too concerned about Tatis at this point.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) Yep he has all the makings of a top 5 prospect in a year or two. Some scouts suggested to the Baseball Prospectus expert that he's a top ten guy right now Yes, we all acknowledge that the Sox may have really screwed up in trading Tatis, but at least they redeemed themselves somewhat by signing Luis Robert. Missing out on him would sting for a long time.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) Quintana and the bullpen pieces fit what the Brewers are doing rather nicely. Send them Shields and Swarzek with the Sox eating the remaining salary for Shields as well. I doubt the Brewers make any big ticket trades, but the division is theirs for the taking this season which may cause them to reconsider.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 10:03 PM) I know. I used to rail on and on about contracts and how dumb owners are cause it almost always ends up like this: Which is the team wanting to dump the guy. So Verlander makes 28,000,000 next year, then 28 mill in 2019 and 22 mill in 2020. I guess he's still "pretty good" but his era is 4.7 which is not good enough for that money, is it? Is anybody really going to take on that amount of dough? Cubs? No team is taking on Verlander's contract in a trade at this point. He's owed a ton of money.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) It's possible, but there's not much pressure. They seem like a better match for Gray, who they can probably get without trading Tucker or Whitley. Contenders like the astros and Dodgers absolutely will be looking to add I'm talent at the deadline. Same goes for the Nationals. When the world series in working reach there's no reason not to go for it.