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QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 09:24 AM) I find Albies so underrated here and it's entirely due to comps. I would really like to land a player like Albies, as I also feel he is very underrated. He is the sort of player that really can help a championship caliber roster with his bat, speed and defense. The Braves could definitely swing a Q trade, but have yet to show the willingness to part with top prospects.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:30 PM) OBP machine. Quickly becoming one of my favorite prospects in the system. The issue for Yurchak seems to be defensively. He's already committed 6 errors in only 17 games in rookie ball. Unless the defense improves it will be tough for him to advance very far in the system.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 09:08 PM) Great post, great format. I just don't think the Astros like Quintana. The Dodgers one is interesting but I'm skeptical sox would ever eat money like that. If sox got a return like that for Avi though that would be amazing. I like the ideas, except the Sox taking on Gonzalez and his $22 million. I don't think ownership wants to spend over $20 million on one player while rebuilding. Should be a fun deadline for the Sox. Tucker + Whitley + Nova + Valdez is actually a well thought out offer. It's a good blend of upside, but also likely a price that the Astros might find reasonable. They have a pretty deep farm that could absorb the loss of those prospects.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 03:07 PM) Yanks deal is solid, but that Brewers deal - you may as well keep Q. You can get that deal (not same players, obviously) when Q has far less control. That Brewers deal is light for Quintana. Frazier + Adams + Andujar + Abreu is a solid, but not spectacular deal. I would not be too upset, but we all are hoping for more. Hahn is not taking demands from "Tucker + Martes + Musgrove" level down to one headliner and secondary pieces. Sox are smart not to panic and hold out for the trade package they need.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) I also think that a lot of us trade Sale to Boston rather than Washington was knowing we got 3/4ths the deal the Nationals offered in the Eaton deal. The Sale negotiations laid most of the groundwork for the Eaton deal that followed. We knew exactly which prospects were in play from Washington's side.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 01:58 PM) Look at Washington's rumored offer for Sale. Robles, Giolito, Lopez, & Dunning. I bet many of us would argue that's a better overall package than than what we ultimately accepted from Boston. I think problem here is that the Sox placed incredibly high rankings on Moncada & Kopech (rightfully so) that they didn't want to risk losing them over secondary pieces. There was an article that came out shortly after the trade that made it pretty clear that Dombrowski would have given up a little more than he ultimatlry did. Not Devers or Groome, but definitely better overall value than Basabe & Diaz. I also think there was some marketing going on and the Sox really wanted to say they traded Sale for the #1 prospect in baseball, although I'm sure this was a smaller consideration. I do not recall hearing that the Nationals offered Robles + Giolito + Lopez + Dunning for Sale. That would be arguably a better return than we got from Boston. I believe that Robles was in play for Sale, but likely either Giolito or Lopez + another piece or two, not both of them AND Dunning. Robles was not on the table for Eaton, otherwise I'm sure the Sox would have wanted him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) If that happened great. But from what all reports seem to be, something like this would be by far the best offer out there. No reason to panic, as buyers won't show their cards until the deadline. White Sox have leverage as they do not need to deal Quintana unless the return is solid. Nothing wrong with starting out with a high ask like Torres + Frazier

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 12:40 PM) This could be very interesting. If the Sox were willing to back off of the two top guys, and take say 1 top guy plus 4-5 B guys instead, is the deal still worth it? A depth deal could likely be trumped by another suitor at the deadline, I think the Sox would not be inclined to accept something like that when they do not have to.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) This is a good point on The Yanks past, but I don't think the Sox want to wait til the Last couple days of June. I really think people are goin g to be disappointed in the return for Q. Sox might not want to, but the market might dictate the Sox have to wait until the heat gets turned up on contenders with only two months left until the playoffs. I hope you are wrong and that we don't settle for a lesser deal for the sake of trading Quintana. The Cubs could be a dark horse due to their pressing need for quality starting pitching. They are in the middle of their contention window and adding a cost controlled starter like Quintana would go a long way towards replacing Arrieta/Lackey after this season.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 07:38 AM) Packages I would take for Quintana: HOU: Tucker, Whitley, Alvarez NYY: Frazier, Adams, Andujar, Abreu MIL: Brinson, Ortiz, Diaz CHC: Jimenez, Cease, Candelario, Perlaza ATL: Acuna, Anderson, Riley Any of these riduculous? Yankees give up four top 10 guys, but Frazier is a cut below those other OFs based on the most recent mid-year prospect rankings. And it would clear three spots from their 40 man roster crunch. Those are reasonable trade ideas for what it would take the White Sox to move Quintana. Hahn knows they absolutely cannot sell low on the final blue chip trade piece we have. Remains to be seen what teams will be willing to offer as the deadline approaches. I see the Dodgers and Astros being very motivated buyers given how strong they have been so far. Quintana would be a prime addition to any contender.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 11:29 AM) Melky probably makes sense for the Yankees with what is going on with Bird. He gives them OF depth, but can DH everyday and let Holliday play 1B for the rest of the year. It won't be cost prohibitive in terms of prospects, and would provide an upgrade on their current production. Yankees are going to wait until the deadline to assess before making any moves. They likely are not championship contenders this season, and I think they prefer to hang onto their farm assets.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 09:51 AM) There is similarity - Verlander is just more expensive. Verlander makes $28 million per; Shields $22 million per. Verlander has 3.5 years left; Shields had 2.5 years left. Verlander's 2 years younger than Shields - so by the time the contract liability is paid out, both will be of the same age. If the Tigers sell it for the same percentage that the Padres did, the buyer would be on the hook for about $44 million ($7, $13, $13, $11) for 3.5 years of team control. Certainly more $ and years than Shields (Who also inexplicably cost prospects), but to do a deal like this, the acquiring team has to be looking in the past. And Verlander's past was better. Maybe someone would bite if they cut it to $30 million. I hope the Tigers are stuck with him. Doubtful the Tigers would be willing to eat $30 million of his contract just to move him. Plus they will still want significant prospects in return for doing so. I doubt he gets traded.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) Garza and Suter are 3/4. Ch. Anderson and Guerra both on DL. They need pitching pretty desperately. But at what cost? The two anonymous GM's were not kidding when they said the cost for Quintana/Gray would be Brinson + Hader + Phillips (or a very similar package). I think the Brewers would be open to dealing their second tier prospects, but not Brinson or Hader

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) A prospect in the top 100, top 25 in some publications, wouldn't be mentioned (or if leeway for hyperbole, rarely mentioned, or people wouldn't be excited about him)? I do think that it's a little suspect that Tatis suddenly blows the prospect lists out of the water after 2 months in the Padres organization, after barely being mentioned in the Sox org. It also might illustrate some of the Sox gap in trading Q...they knew that Tatis was a good prospect and improving, so if they are willing to move him for the aging and mediocre (at best) Shields, why in the world wouldn't a team want to send 3 good prospects for Q? I chalk it up to Tatis starting to break out. If the Sox knew he had the potential to be a top 100 prospect no way they deal him in the Shield's trade. There will always be some risk when dealing such young players, but I'm not too concerned about Tatis at this point.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) Yep he has all the makings of a top 5 prospect in a year or two. Some scouts suggested to the Baseball Prospectus expert that he's a top ten guy right now Yes, we all acknowledge that the Sox may have really screwed up in trading Tatis, but at least they redeemed themselves somewhat by signing Luis Robert. Missing out on him would sting for a long time.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) Quintana and the bullpen pieces fit what the Brewers are doing rather nicely. Send them Shields and Swarzek with the Sox eating the remaining salary for Shields as well. I doubt the Brewers make any big ticket trades, but the division is theirs for the taking this season which may cause them to reconsider.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 10:03 PM) I know. I used to rail on and on about contracts and how dumb owners are cause it almost always ends up like this: Which is the team wanting to dump the guy. So Verlander makes 28,000,000 next year, then 28 mill in 2019 and 22 mill in 2020. I guess he's still "pretty good" but his era is 4.7 which is not good enough for that money, is it? Is anybody really going to take on that amount of dough? Cubs? No team is taking on Verlander's contract in a trade at this point. He's owed a ton of money.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) It's possible, but there's not much pressure. They seem like a better match for Gray, who they can probably get without trading Tucker or Whitley. Contenders like the astros and Dodgers absolutely will be looking to add I'm talent at the deadline. Same goes for the Nationals. When the world series in working reach there's no reason not to go for it.

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 11:49 AM) Would be fun to watch Q in Milwaukee... I live about 10m from Miller Park and work downtown. I've been trying to explain to my buddies that want Sonny Gray to go for Quintana instead, he's really more value than Gray right now. Quintana has an additional year of control and a much better track record of health. He's a much safer bet in my opinion if I was going to trade top prospects.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 03:14 PM) Clean slate...you got it. I get it...no one is happy we're in this position, but it's something that every franchise faces from time to time and we're all along for the ride. Love it or hate it, at least they have picked a direction (that has worked for many) and are going in it. All we can do is sit back and watch at this point--watch how the future slowly comes together. It won't be perfect, but you have to admit...our strategy as far as team building philosophy was getting quite old. Bouncing between 70-80 wins for the better part of a decade calls for mega changes to be made. If that means we have to endure a few 60-70 win seasons to get a stretch of 90+ win seasons down the road, it's something to try a different approach to go after. Stick around, no one wants to see you go--you've made it through the toughest years--the years that made us all angry! Now, they're finally doing something about it. This is the real "all-in" White Sox. All in on a plan to get us a better team. During the rebuild we will need to hang together as we suffer through some miserable seasons. Hopefully the pain and agony is manageable. I will say it is much easier to accept losing knowing that the organization has made rebuilding the clear priority with the Sale and Eaton trades. A higher draft position will only help us in the future.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 03:14 PM) If you aren't getting a top end guy, or a big depth package of B types, then a deal should be pretty straight forward for another team to beat. I think the Braves could put together an excellent package considering how stupidly deep their farm system is. Braves could offer something along the lines of: Pick one: Albies, Acuna or Maitan Pick one: Newcomb, Allard, Soroka, Anderson, Gohara, Wright Pick one/two: Demeritte, Fried, Toussaint, Riley, Wentz, Sims, Pache, Minter, Jackson, Wilson, Muller, Morris I envy the depth that they have across the board. Some combination of 3-4 prospects from the above could serve as a framework for a deal. For example: Albies + Soroka + Pache + Minter/Morris? A costly deal? Yes, but the Braves actually have so much depth that they could afford it.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 02:43 PM) Wide disparity between BP and BA on Juan Soto. BP has him #12, BA has him #94. Soto at #94 sounds about right to me at this point. He does not have the speed to profile as a center fielder long term, forcing his bat to play up as a corner outfielder. I like him, but he needs to prove both health and success in the minors before calling him a top 50 guy.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) Exactly. Ray, Diaz, Clark, Hader and Ortiz probably does it. But that is literally 2-6. The Brewers are not trading their entire farm system to us like that. The White Sox would be crazy to not accept Ray + Diaz + Clark + Hader + Ortiz due to the sheer volume alone. I do not love Ray as a headliner, but if needed I would need the rest of the package to be strong. Ray + Ortiz + Phillips + Burnes would have me thinking for sure

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 12:07 PM) Brewers can pull off a deal for Q without gutting their farm/youth. They can trade a few of their top guys and still look great long-term. Brinson is likely considered untouchable, and the Brewers are likely looking to see if the Sox/A's will accept some of their second tier prospects in exchange for Gray/Quintana (Sox/A's will not)

QUOTE (Soha @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 12:45 PM) I've seen you veto this same thought a few times. I think the disconnect here is you don't seem to like Soto as a prospect, and others do. Not being an expert myself, but following what I can, I see Soto as a guy that is rapidly approaching Robles territory. Or at least on his way. That's why I would do Robertson + Kahnle for Soto without batting an eyelash. Just guessing here - but I think if the Sox draw a line in the sand and say Robles or bust, then they're just going to have to trade Robertson elsewhere. I just don't see it happening. I really like Soto as a prospect, but throwing Kahnle into the deal completely changes what a necessary return would be. Kahnle has been lights out this season, evidenced by a 1.58 FIP which is elite. That's not even mentioning his 15.3 K/9 rate. Soto looks to be a very good prospect, but scouts seem to be pretty certain that he will not be able to stick defensively in center field. This puts much greater pressure on his bat, which looks to be very promising, but is still an unknown. I would advocate the Sox to deal Robertson, but hang onto Kahnle and let him be the closer. If Kahnle continues to pitch this well he could be worth a major haul at the deadline in 2018 for a contender. Robles > Soto due to his ability to play center field at a plus level and he has much better speed. I highly doubt Robles gets dealt, but I'm not all in on Soto like many posters due to him not having the CF profile that is much harder to find.