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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 10:12 AM) I would sure listen on offers on Avi, but you need to get a return equal to what his production is now and that is probably going to be hard to get. You certainly don't want to sell low if this is the new normal for Avi. He would not be the first guy to really come into his own at his age 26 season, given his track record of injuries it is understandable that his development may have been stifled. If you end up with Avi reverting back to what he was before, theres some risk there, but you aren't really out anything if that is what you are getting back in value in a trade. If this Avi is for real, you are talking about a MVP level player which would be really difficult to get back in any trade a prospect that will develop into that type of player. The risk is much greater to the team in that aspect. He is tough to value for exactly the reasons you mention. The track record of this production is not long enough for teams to really feel comfortable in offering a big package, but the Sox would need good reason to move him. I'd listen in on offers, but I would bet against him getting traded.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 09:53 AM) There is 1 good team in the AL, I have a hard time believing all of those teams will be sellers. Agreed. The standings are very close, with many teams being within 5 games of a playoff spot right now. Once teams get their draft picks signed the focus will shift to what needs to be added in the next few weeks to aid a playoff push.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 09:53 AM) Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 1st-rder Jake Burger agrees w/@whitesox for $3.7 mil (pick 11=$4,199,200). Missouri St 3B, best power hitter in 2017 @MLBDraft. Didn't see this posted anywhere. If it was feel free to merge. Saving $500,000.00 is a big help in signing a few guys, especially Skoug. The Burger selection made sense, especially underslot.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) No it won't, but I guess my point was I think it might still be cheaper what they might give up if they try to get two high-leverage guys like that, with some control even, from two separate teams. And while I wouldn't typically suggest we do that, in the case of the Nats, if it was the path to Robles, I'd do it. I would absolutely start my ask with Robles and go from there. Robertson is not worth Robles on his own, but Kahnle adds a ton of value with how well he has pitched this season.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 10:47 PM) Jordan Stephens had some of the best peripherals in all A+ ball last year and has the stuff showing with it. His FB and the CB are MLB pitches. This is a guy that stat guys and scouts both like. He gets high praise for his makeup and competitiveness. There is plenty to like about him and he just got lost in the flurry with all the new prospects and his injury. There is a lot to like about him. At the very least, I think we should at least wait for the guy to struggle before we write him off as org depth. RaBBit, I did not mean purely organizational depth, as I think Stephens has the chance to produce at the mlb level. He's a bit older than most of our other prospects, and will turn 25 years old in September. I meant depth beyond our top 10 organizational prospects who can realistically help the mlb club in the not too distant future. He's very much in the mix to push for a future rotation spot and/or a bullpen role. Hickman just has not pitched enough for us to determine what he can be.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 11:33 PM) They can't afford two guys like Colome and Kahnle. They'll have to choose 1, UNLESS, IMHO, they wanted to do something like Robertson and Kahnle, which might allow them to get two high leverage guys, potentially with some cash coming their way even. Otherwise, I think they'd be best served by going with something like Neshek and Madson, which might allow them to escape without giving up Robles. A Robertson + Kahnle + Cash package is not going to come cheap for the Nats. I'd expect that price to be steep.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) Q and Frazier for Adams, Andujar, and Fowler. We get another player if they want us to take Headleys contract for tax purposes. That would send soxtalk into utter chaos. What a terrible proposal.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) Worth noting that it's not just Kubat and Morrison, but really any of the substantial prospects in Kanny, partly because they wanted that team to finish the first half pennant run together. Now that it's over, I bet you see some big waves of promotions around Wednesday. Guys like Morrison and Kubat, but also Dulin, Hansen, and one or two of the Kanny outfielders. Zavala also belongs a level up but is waiting on Collins. That makes sense, can't just promote guys without making roster space for them as well. Kubat, Hansen and Morrison all deserve call ups based on performance. Collins, I am admittedly disappointed in offensively. He is not making enough contact, and despite drawing walks he is striking out way too often at high A. The OPS is respectable, but the bat needs to improve or he will not make it out of AA. Micker Adolfo is really showing signs of improvement this past month. He's still only 20 years old (almost 21), and he might have turned a corner developmentally? Kopech is only 21, so I'm not overly concerned yet about the walks. He has at least three years to show an improvement in that area, and is already at the AA level.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 10:32 AM) More walks then strikeouts To be fair, the pitching he is facing in the DSL is extremely raw.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 10:22 AM) I see that we are back to Q to the Yankees chatter. I remember back when these talks were going on in the Winter and people were saying how Aaron Judge wouldn't cut it as a headliner in any deal for Q. Oh my how things have changed... I don't see Cashman trading away his prospects. The Yanks are ahead of schedule. They will just buy pitching in the offseason. In fairness, nobody, including myself, saw Judge performing at this level.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 07:51 PM) Only if he faces US talent, whether it be Great Falls or Kanny. They likely won't rush him this season, but I would expect him to start next season in Kannapolis for sure. He should mash DSL and Rookie ball pitching ideally.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 10:00 AM) You don't like Chance Adams? I really like him. The idea of him,, at least, have never seen him pitch. Sudden velocity increase and was a reliever so didn't have big inning load, I think with experience he can really get to play around with his velocities and be a solid 3 starter and he's close. Frazier + Adams + Andujar + Florial would be a strong and deep return for Jose Quintana. Arguably too strong, although the Sox do not need to move him unless the offer is worthwhile. Torres would likely be untouchable, meaning either Frazier and/or Rutherford would have to be coming to the Sox, along with Adams. Not sure they would be willing to part with Andujar and Florial as well though.

QUOTE (KnightsOnMintSt @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 05:52 PM) My Top 15 would look something like this: 1. Moncada 2. Kopech 3. Robert 4. Lopez 5. Giolito 6. Fulmer 7. Collins 8. Dunning 9. Hansing 10. Burdi 11. Burger (Once Signed) 12. Stephens 13. Basabe 14. Fisher 15. Call I'll take a crack. 1) Moncada 2) Kopech 3) Robert 4) Lopez 5) Giolito 6) Collins 7) Hansen 8) Dunning 9) Burger 10) Adams 11) Fulmer 12) Burdi 13) Stephens 14) Basabe 15) Sheets #15-30 are a fairly interchangeable mix of players (Call, Flores, Fisher, Hickman, Gonzalez, Adolfo, Guerrero, Booker, Skoug, Tilsen, Kubat, Morrison, Hamilton, Lambert, etc.) Speaking of which, how the hell have Kubat and Morrison both not earned a promotion to Winston-Salem? Both have completely mowed down low A hitters this season.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 08:46 AM) And he's 27 years old, and cannot hit, and the White Sox keep acquiring middle infielders. It's a nice story and he's a nice guy, but as a major league prospect, he isn't much of one. I personally think guys can learn how to pitch after a late start, than learn how to hit. Alvarez isn't going to hit. His second year of AA as a 27 year old isn't better than his first. Huge red flag. He isn't getting better. Alvarez is a nice story, but his chances of sniffing the majors beyond a September cup of coffee are virtually nil. He's 27 years old playing in AA and we just drafted a slew of younger players. Stephens and Hickman are great organizational depth, both are unlikely to stick as starting pitchers, but I could see one of them being a solid bullpen piece.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 09:10 AM) What we know about Avi's time here: 1. He was acquired in the Peavy to Boston deal with the expectation that he would turn into the player he is right now. 2. In his initial season with us, he showed why he was a highly-touted player in the Detroit system--he hit well for us down the stretch. 3. He got off to a very promising start in his first full season and suffered a pretty bad injury in Colorado--a series where he was really raking. 4. Coming off the injury, he was slow to recover the offensive potential he exhibited before the injury. 5. Things got so bad for him that there were many times where he looked over-matched at the plate AND in the field--as if he did not belong in the major leagues. 6. His talent came in and out--for moments, he would flash his ability to hit plus change-ups with ease and he would excite us with an occasional 2-HR game. 7. The good was very inconsistent and short-lived--leading most to write him off as a bust and someone who was never the same player after his injury. 8. The Sox shocked us all when they resigned him for this season--we all thought he was a big reason why we were bad. 9. He got off to a hot start this season and everyone wrote it off as a fluke. 10. That hot start has only gotten hotter and now most of is are wondering if it's still a fluke because the days were so long ago when he was a very promising young talent. SO...I would hesitate to write him off to a good start...simply because he showed this type of promise coming up--and has shown his ability to be a nice offensive weapon over longer stretches of time IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES. So I guess it's just up to us to see him as the player he showed promise to be a few years ago, or see him as the player who is still struggling after a big injury to discover what made him promising. Chances are he's not this good, and he's not AS bad as he was there on Robin's teams. But if he keeps it up through this season, he sort of reminds me of a Marcell Ozuna type path. If you take the good with the bad, you end up somewhere in the middle. That would put him in the .270-.285/20-25/75-80/75-80/handful of steals category. For outfielders, that production compares to Ozuna and Stephen Piscotty--both 26-years old. Neither player is a super star, but both have demonstrated that they can produce at a certain level for an entire season--showing susceptibility to prolong slumps, but also the ability to carry a team for equal stretches of time. There's value there--both to us and to others. The Sox just need to determine if they want to roll the dice on an extension that would keep him here under the hope that "good-Avi" is here to stay, or cash in on the success he's had this year and move him. Given the state of our system's OF depth, I would think they are leaning towards rolling the dice on keeping him. Avi is probably pretty low on the Sox list of priorities to trade right now. He's young enough to stick around through a rebuild and possibly be a piece for the future. I do not think he is as good as he has played, but I also think he is in better shape and has improved. Unless the trade offers were strong I would not move him.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) I'll take anyone with a plus plus tool like that as the third piece of the deal. Mateo is very very fast, no doubt. Scouts seem uncertain what position he will play, as his defense at SS has been described as "erratic". Some suggest he will need to move to 2B or CF. I'm concerned about the high strikeout rate and the .668 OPS in high A ball. Given his speed his BABIP should help buoy a better batting average than .234, which makes me feel like he is not making quality contact. I would be worried the bat just is not good enough to hold down a starting job in the majors.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 08:49 AM) What about Frazier, Adams, Florial and Andujar (who seems like a guy who is blocked currently)? Either Frazier/Adams/Mateo/Florial or Frazier/Adams/Andujar/Florial would be very interesting packages. The Yankees have the pieces to make a trade work, but so far have not yet shown the willingness to move prospects. That might change soon. Best case for us would be a bidding war between contenders for Quintana.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 02:46 AM) Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Seriously, a top 25 guy, top 50 guy, top 100 guy, and a 19-year-old lefty CF hitting .300 with nearly .900 OPS in A-ball with 8 HR and 12 SB. #DoneDeal I'm down for Frazier + Adams + Florial for sure, but Mateo gives me pause.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 09:09 PM) I could see Q + Frazier / Melky and Robertson + Kahnle / Swarzak packages being offered. Perhaps. Six would need a major haul for Robertson and kahnle though.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 09:36 PM) More importantly will it be valid 5 months from now. Unlikely Avi gets traded, but nobody believes he is actually as good as he had played so far. I'd need a considerable package to move him though.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 06:06 PM) I would think a Kahnle return could be similar to what the Brewers got for Thornburg, but I wouldn't expect him to get moved until the offseason. The Brewers ended up getting a great return for Thornburg, and that's not even considering that he is out for the rest of the season. Shaw has been great at third for them, and dubon is preferring really well in AA. The other two young players are icing on the cake. I would certainly consider dealing kahnle for a similar return.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 06:50 PM) Well I know that by my point was that they haven't quite hit the urgency to make the move for an arm due to their lead. The division sucking is one thing, but not adding substantial relief help would be a major problem for the nats me That pen of not playoff worthy.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 06:00 PM) Yeah, you CAN win with a lot of things. 15 blown saves since he's been here. I have PTSD from him. Roberson is likely the best available proven closer on the market right now. Hand is solid, but he won't come cheap either. The Nationals need two impact bullpen and and the White Sox could certainly provide that.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 11:49 AM) I have seen Albies play a few times here in Durham, and I am not a fan at all of his bat. I really question what it would look like at the MLB level. Albies is 20 years old playing in AAA and posting a .747 OPS. In my opinion he is very advanced for his age, and is performing quite well considering how young he is compared to most AAA players. I'm a big believer in Albies and feel he will turn out to be a very good player.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 04:02 PM) Soto is likely untouchable along with Robles. Saw someone say he's a top 15 prospect heading into next year. If Soto, Robles and fedde are untouchable, good luck trading for impact relief help.