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QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 03:33 PM) Because putting these thoughts to paper so to speak will allow me to one day see how poorly I performed (or how well I suppose), I decided to post who I think the Sox should draft at 11. Trying to be realistic about who will be available (basically excluding MLB Pipeline’s Top 5), I will list one high school pitcher, a high school hitter and a college hitter, but no college pitchers because I am not impressed with that collection this year. High School Pitcher Sam Carlson, RHP, Minnesota I love his classic pitcher’s build at 6’4” and 195 lbs and his deep repertoire. According to MLB Pipeline, he throws in the mid-90s with life and sink and commands the pitch well. He also has a solid change-up which he uses frequently and an improving slider. Watching some Youtube highlights, his delivery looks a little rushed, but that seems like an easy fix in pro ball. High School Hitter Nick Pratto, 1B, California Just love everything about his bat, and although he will likely be a first baseman in pro ball, he is said to be excellent there. I know he is relatively unathletic and does not play a premium position, but I think the combination of elite bat and defense at first base would be very valuable regardless. College Hitter Adam Haseley He surpassed Pavin Smith for me as the guy I want from the college hitter ranks in large part because he can play the outfield and play it well, at least the corners. He has walked twice as much as he has struck out this year and hit 14 HRs in a notoriously tough hitter’s park. I just love that type of plate discipline with emerging power. Sure, the downside is that his power does not translate to the pros and he is relegated to left field due to an average arm, but I am willing to take that risk, especially when you juxtapose him with Smith who has the same concerns but as a first baseman and Kendall who has serious swing-and-miss concerns. College Pitcher Not really a huge fan of the college pitchers that might be available at 11 (Bukauskas, Faedo, Lange, Peterson or Houck). In my perfect world, I would get Haseley, but, because he will likely be gone by the time the Sox pick, I would go Pratto as 1A and Carlson as 1B. Given the timeline of the White Sox rebuild, I do not think it is likely that that draft a high school player in the first round. Best case of development timeline for a high school player would be 4-6 years in the minors before they are ready to contribute at the mlb level. Sox are likely wanting to select a college arm or bat in the first round that could jive with the timeline of other prospects like Moncada, Collins, Giolito, Lopez, Kopech, Dunning, Adams, Robert, etc. Haseley will likely be gone by #11 given how strong his season was. Carlson looks solid, but see above regarding timeline. I'm not a fan of drafting a prep 1B only player in the top 15 overall as the 1B position is pretty easy to fill. Not knocking Pratto, but I'd much rather go with an arm or skill position player prospect that high.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) Scott Merkin‏Verified account @scottmerkin 17m17 minutes ago Avisail evolving on mental side of the game http://atmlb.com/2rLYrLB via @mlb It's not easy to compare Schwarber and Garcia, because they are different players. Schwarber was rushed to the mlb and I would argue will be the better offensive player long term than Garcia, but Garcia has improved his running. and defense to be at least average I would say. Long term Schwarber will not be able to remain in the outfield as he does not have the speed or instincts to even be average in left. Catching is out of the questions, especially after the knee injury. I do not think Schwarber is necessarily as bad as his current slump, but I do also think he is not quite as good as the hero Cubs fans make him out to be. His BABIP is unsustainably low at .193 this season and eventually will rise, but he is unlikely to ever be a high BABIP player due to below average speed. Although unpopular, the Cubs should have considered selling high on Schwarber this past offseason to an American League club. Long term his bat will have to be outstanding for him to have value beyond a 2 WAR per year player given how poor his defense is. I do not buy that his defense will improve, as his stocky frame is not going to get any quicker as he ages. A move to the American League would do him wonders. Garcia is playing better than ever, is looking to be in considerably better shape and is making better contact. All are encouraging signs and he could very well be a late bloomer.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 05:13 AM) I wish Hahn had insisted on Benintendi instead of Moncada ...even without Kopech. Or just hung on to Sale and traded him to another team. Sox Draft picks the last few years have not been game changers. Collins, Fulmer, Rodon, Courrtney Hawkins. Boston beats us out for Benintendi and we get Fulmer with the next pick. Unreal. And we could have Drafted Trea Turner instead of Rodon. Maybe KW is wrong about Luis Robert as well. Tank? For what? Another high Draft pick that turns out like some of those guys? Sox futility with the Draft has been a combination of poor talent evaluation , very bad luck and some bad judgment. I highly doubt Benintendi was ever made available in the offseason by Boston. Moncada and Kopech look very promising, and Basabe and Diaz are solid depth prospects with some upside. Hard to say it was not a good deal for both teams.

QUOTE (Soha @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) What about Keston Hiura? It's been said he might be the best hitter in this draft,. The thing is, you might have to do TJ surgery on him and lose him for a year+ after you draft him. If any team can wait that out, it's the Sox in their current stage of rebuilding. Huira has a plus hit tool, but aside from that there's not much else that stands out. His arm and fielding are both graded a bit below average. I would rather take a more well rounded player at #11 overall. Huira as a underslot signing? Perhaps, but I'd rather go for higher upside.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 02:41 PM) I can't believe that would come anywhere close to getting deal done based on the leaks from the winter that Hahn was looking for orgs top three prospects, especially with a Milwaukee system that is not all that good due to a pattern of reaching at high ceilings that haven't developed. Ray/Hader/Gatewood/ and Meideros. That provides a combination of proximity along with some high(ish) ceilings and doesn't affect Milwaukee's ability to compete over the short term as none of the players are in their immediate plans. Agreed. The sample Brewers deal would be selling ourselves very short on Quintana. That, and the fact that the Brewers are not going to make such a splashy move and deplete their farm.

QUOTE (Soha @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 05:42 AM) A lot of mocks have the Sox taking this guy now. I think it's because Hahn reportedly met with Kendall recently. I'd rather they pass on him, though I want a bat for sure. Hard to say what better position player options might be available to us at #11 overall? I'm actually intrigued about Evan White's potential to be converted into an outfielder? MLB.com's scouting report on him as a first baseman: Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 60 | Arm: 55 | Field: 70 | Overall: 55 Those tools seem like they could be a fit for moving him to the outfield, where his lack of power profiles better? Could be an underslot signing?

QUOTE (rockren @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 04:58 AM) They wouldn't- not just because they love Brinson, but because the Brewers won't be buyers this year...at least not for as anyone as significant as Q. I live in the Milwaukee area and head down to spring training every year to catch the WSox, but see a lot of the Brewers behind the scenes at their practices w/my dad. Don't believe anything you may hear- the Brewers would still sell if they were in 1st at the deadline if they could. The Crew knows they're more than a Q away from actually hanging all year with the Cards & Cubs...not only does their rotation have future problems, but that bullpen has played above their heads at times (much like ours) and the Crew know this. With that being said, just for entertainment purposes...the Crew could totally get a deal done for Q w/o Brinson and probably even w/o Hader (although Hader has been terrible this year...hes still an arm you'd really want). Diaz, Ortiz, Phillips and a lottery ticket for me would work. I understand a lot of people here would want more for Q...but Isan Diaz is really underrated. I believe him to be a better prospect than Brinson is...at least with the stick...guy is a middle infielder and may have a middle o the order bat in the bigs. If the pricetag for Quintana were at the level you suggest then 1/2 the league would be calling the White Sox. I'm not knocking Diaz, Phillips or Ortiz, but I would expect 3 1/2 cheap seasons of a proven starter to return us a bit more than that.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) I really like Haseley but it just makes me nervous that a lot of the logic seems to be : College outfielder with splashy junior season ... he's andrew benintendi! Benintendi was a more complete player coming out of college than Haseley. Better power, better speed as well. Haseley will get overdrafted due to this year being a shallow draft, but he does not have the lofty ceiling Benintendi has.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 09:07 AM) Sorry for flurry, but JIm Callis was on the sss podcast doing a preview, starts around minute 19 if you want to skip over Josh Nelson reading from a script for 20 minutes. Thoughts: -Really high on kendall, doesn't see how you could knock kendall for hit tool and then go after player like Beck who has no track record. -Thinks Bukauskus will go top ten. -Lower on Haseley. Says he is definitely going in that 5-8 range but thinks players like Kendall give you so much more. More of a line drive hitter - "only thing that he gives you more than Kendall is batting average" - Has not heard what BA is reporting of the tools being hung on austin beck. - Thinks Faedo's velo issues are all due to the knee stuff and isn't concerned. In what is shaping up to be a fairly weak draft, I do not have an issue selecting Kendall if he is on the board at #11. Yes, he has considerable swing and miss issues, but the other tools are all there. Haseley we all like, but his ceiling is certainly lower than Kendall's. Higher floor? Absolutely. But I'm not sure how much stock I would put into Haseley's great 2017 performance. His freshman and sophomore seasons were fairly pedestrian and the power only started to show up this year. Haseley has decent speed, but I doubt he becomes much of a stolen base threat professionally. If selecting a player for floor, go Haseley as his hit tool seems more sound, but the ceiling of Kendall could be a really solid player offensively and defensively.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 08:37 AM) This draft class seems weak overall, and the second tier or talent seems to comprise pretty much picks 6-20. This is a year where I can't say I have a strong opinion -- it's just going to come down to who the Sox think is the best. Everyone that has any chance to fall to us has as many warts as virtues. Agreed. Obviously early to say for sure, but this seems to be a pretty weak draft. The talent level beyond the top 15 players or so drops off sharply.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jun 4, 2017 -> 05:29 PM) Getting a mlb reliever from the 3rd round is a good result. Not many good starters come from later rounds. That's not really true at all. Starting pitching in later rounds might be less common, but there are tons of examples of success stories.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 4, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) Should never take a closer in the first round of the draft I wanted Dakota Hudson in place of burdi last year. Thought he had a chance of beginning a starter in the majors. I'm not working burdi off, but I am very against drafting relievers early when other positions are harder to fill.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jun 3, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) kendall is a risk, no doubt about it. but we are drafting 11, not 2. Never gonna find a sure thing at 11. prior #11 picks 2016 Kyle Lewis 2015 Tyler Stephenson 2014 Max Pentecost 2013 Dominic Smith 2012 Addison Russell 2011 George Springer 2010 Deck McGuire 2009 Tyler Matzek 2008 Justin Smoak 2007 Phillippe Aumont 2006 Max Scherzer 2005 Andrew McCutchen 2004 Neil Walker 2003 Michael Aubrey 2002 Jeremy Hermida 2001 Kenny Baugh 2000 Dave Krynzel 1999 Ryan Christianson 1998 Josh McKinley 1997 Chris Enochs 1996 Adam Eaton (not that adam eaton obviously) 1995 Mike Drumright 1994 Mark Farris 1993 Daron Kirkreit 1992 Derek Wallace 1991 Shawn Estes 1990 Shane Andrews Some good players in there -but a lot more boobs. I think if you got an average everyday player at 11 youd consider yourself lucky -Kendall's defense and athleticism at a premium position I think at least give him a reasonable chance of being a 4th OFer type. If he hits, he can be a regular IMO. At 11 overall you really should be drafting a player with the potential to become a viable MLB regular. I'm not sure Kendall will even fall to is given the quality of his other tools besides the bat.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 10:48 PM) I could see that Brinson and Hader make a lot of sense, I could see the rockies wanting to push a fair amount of low level talent in as well. I like brinson, but hader has struggled with command pretty badly so far this season. He also has given up an alarming 14 home runs in 50 innings. I don't see the Brewers being willing to blow up their farm this season, despite being in contention for now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) Or it could be Kendall's camp leaking to get someone ahead to draft him even higher, to push up his signing bonus chances even more. The Sox meeting with Kendall could just be due diligence? Sox are likely looking at drafting a college player in the first round and I can see them going high school in the second round

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) The only potential buyers that have nothing to offer for Q are the O's & D-backs those systems are beyond thin. I was trying to show potential buyers as of June 2nd in general, not necessarily for Quintana only. Even thin farms can find creative ways to swing deals for useful pieces, i.e. relief help?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 01:17 PM) The one thing it made me do was wonder if the Sox made some promises about how quickly he would move through the system, or if that is just Robert's level of confidence coming out. Possibly, but it would be tough to put a timetable on him reaching the majors without seeing how he performs against single A competition. I personally feel like he should be in Kannapolis right away getting reps, but I do understand that he has not played competitive baseball in awhile and the DZL can be a helpful transition.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) Live yes, watched every video possible on YouTube. As I've said on here lately, he swings and misses as just a ridiculous rate on the videos. He's a hard pass for me Kendall is not seemingly our first choice, but if he can improve his contact you could be looking at a really good player. He has solid pop, great speed, good arm and good defense. Nearly every prospect will carry a certain level of risk, but Kendall's potential upside is tough to pass on.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 03:39 PM) http://m.mlb.com/news/article/233792904/pr...opicId=27118122 Lots of great quotes, Robert puts out a hyper aggressive timeline for helping the White Sox in one year's time I would say 0% chance Robert reaches the majors by 2018, very very low chance he is ready by 2019, and with 2020 being the soonest I could realistically see him being called up to the mlb. He would have to be murdering the ball in the minors to reach the mlb within the next year. He's very talented, but he should not be rushed since we are rebuilding anyways.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) Perhaps this is why: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jose-quinta...un-suppression/ I don't think his trade value has changed all that much. Contending teams will still have to pay a premium for the 3 1/2 seasons of relatively cheap control over Quintana compared with the high cost of quality free agent starting pitching. I would not expect a Chris Sale level return, but I also would not accept significantly less. A deal along the lines of the return from the Eaton deal (not necessarily pitching) seems realistic. Potential buyers right now: Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, Indians, Astros, Nationals, Brewers, Cardinals, Cubs, Rockies, Diamondbacks, Dodgers

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 04:33 PM) Should note, there are a few interesting later round picks but man, pretty crappy overall. 75-100 may be most interesting set, includes Charlie Blackmon and Craig Kimbrel. Agreed, overall 2008 was a very weak draft

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 04:33 PM) Should note, there are a few interesting later round picks but man, pretty crappy overall. 75-100 may be most interesting set, includes Charlie Blackmon and Craig Kimbrel. Agreed, overall 2008 was a very weak draft

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 03:18 PM) Any person with an expiring contract and control should be off of this roster by August 1, 2017. Absolutely no exceptions. I don't care what it does to our major league roster, they are on a clearance sale as far as I am concerned. I am not saying the Sox should not try to sell off whatever they can at the deadline. I just do not think that we will be able to actually move nine players off of our 25 man roster by the deadline. Holland, Robertson, Swarzak, Melky, Frazier, Gonzalez, etc. should all be on the block. Holland, Robertson and Swarzak have so far played well enough to likely have decent value.

QUOTE (fredmanrique @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 09:30 AM) Putting quintana, abreu and jones in the wait until winter bucket. It starts to look like the only way to get the top 25-125 type guys we have been tracking is to bundle people to the best possible contender. A team seeking a 4/5th starter upgrade and multiple bullpen arms. So positive spin: that is most contending teams by july. Robertson, jennings, migo to WAS for something led by Soto? Swarzak, Frazier, Y. Sanchez to BOS for something led by Groome? Melky, kahnle, holland to STL for kelly? Gut the bullpen, eat money. Add the best prospects possible til q hopefully rebounds in the 2H You're suggesting that we trade 9 mlb players off of our 25 man roster at the deadline? That is definitely not going to happen, we still need to field a team. Keep in mind that teams would have to make corresponding roster moves in order to absorb 3 MLB players in one trade.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) Beck, Adell, and Kendall likely need to go top 10 for Haseley to fall to Sox. Or Shane Baz or Faedo or someone unexpected needs to go top 10. Not likely IMO. Risk averse teams would have a tough time passing on Haseley for Adell or Kendall. I think Adell and Kendall are higher upside players than Haseley, but carry considerably more risk