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QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) I really like Haseley but it just makes me nervous that a lot of the logic seems to be : College outfielder with splashy junior season ... he's andrew benintendi! Benintendi was a more complete player coming out of college than Haseley. Better power, better speed as well. Haseley will get overdrafted due to this year being a shallow draft, but he does not have the lofty ceiling Benintendi has.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 09:07 AM) Sorry for flurry, but JIm Callis was on the sss podcast doing a preview, starts around minute 19 if you want to skip over Josh Nelson reading from a script for 20 minutes. Thoughts: -Really high on kendall, doesn't see how you could knock kendall for hit tool and then go after player like Beck who has no track record. -Thinks Bukauskus will go top ten. -Lower on Haseley. Says he is definitely going in that 5-8 range but thinks players like Kendall give you so much more. More of a line drive hitter - "only thing that he gives you more than Kendall is batting average" - Has not heard what BA is reporting of the tools being hung on austin beck. - Thinks Faedo's velo issues are all due to the knee stuff and isn't concerned. In what is shaping up to be a fairly weak draft, I do not have an issue selecting Kendall if he is on the board at #11. Yes, he has considerable swing and miss issues, but the other tools are all there. Haseley we all like, but his ceiling is certainly lower than Kendall's. Higher floor? Absolutely. But I'm not sure how much stock I would put into Haseley's great 2017 performance. His freshman and sophomore seasons were fairly pedestrian and the power only started to show up this year. Haseley has decent speed, but I doubt he becomes much of a stolen base threat professionally. If selecting a player for floor, go Haseley as his hit tool seems more sound, but the ceiling of Kendall could be a really solid player offensively and defensively.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 08:37 AM) This draft class seems weak overall, and the second tier or talent seems to comprise pretty much picks 6-20. This is a year where I can't say I have a strong opinion -- it's just going to come down to who the Sox think is the best. Everyone that has any chance to fall to us has as many warts as virtues. Agreed. Obviously early to say for sure, but this seems to be a pretty weak draft. The talent level beyond the top 15 players or so drops off sharply.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jun 4, 2017 -> 05:29 PM) Getting a mlb reliever from the 3rd round is a good result. Not many good starters come from later rounds. That's not really true at all. Starting pitching in later rounds might be less common, but there are tons of examples of success stories.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 4, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) Should never take a closer in the first round of the draft I wanted Dakota Hudson in place of burdi last year. Thought he had a chance of beginning a starter in the majors. I'm not working burdi off, but I am very against drafting relievers early when other positions are harder to fill.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jun 3, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) kendall is a risk, no doubt about it. but we are drafting 11, not 2. Never gonna find a sure thing at 11. prior #11 picks 2016 Kyle Lewis 2015 Tyler Stephenson 2014 Max Pentecost 2013 Dominic Smith 2012 Addison Russell 2011 George Springer 2010 Deck McGuire 2009 Tyler Matzek 2008 Justin Smoak 2007 Phillippe Aumont 2006 Max Scherzer 2005 Andrew McCutchen 2004 Neil Walker 2003 Michael Aubrey 2002 Jeremy Hermida 2001 Kenny Baugh 2000 Dave Krynzel 1999 Ryan Christianson 1998 Josh McKinley 1997 Chris Enochs 1996 Adam Eaton (not that adam eaton obviously) 1995 Mike Drumright 1994 Mark Farris 1993 Daron Kirkreit 1992 Derek Wallace 1991 Shawn Estes 1990 Shane Andrews Some good players in there -but a lot more boobs. I think if you got an average everyday player at 11 youd consider yourself lucky -Kendall's defense and athleticism at a premium position I think at least give him a reasonable chance of being a 4th OFer type. If he hits, he can be a regular IMO. At 11 overall you really should be drafting a player with the potential to become a viable MLB regular. I'm not sure Kendall will even fall to is given the quality of his other tools besides the bat.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 10:48 PM) I could see that Brinson and Hader make a lot of sense, I could see the rockies wanting to push a fair amount of low level talent in as well. I like brinson, but hader has struggled with command pretty badly so far this season. He also has given up an alarming 14 home runs in 50 innings. I don't see the Brewers being willing to blow up their farm this season, despite being in contention for now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) Or it could be Kendall's camp leaking to get someone ahead to draft him even higher, to push up his signing bonus chances even more. The Sox meeting with Kendall could just be due diligence? Sox are likely looking at drafting a college player in the first round and I can see them going high school in the second round

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) The only potential buyers that have nothing to offer for Q are the O's & D-backs those systems are beyond thin. I was trying to show potential buyers as of June 2nd in general, not necessarily for Quintana only. Even thin farms can find creative ways to swing deals for useful pieces, i.e. relief help?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 01:17 PM) The one thing it made me do was wonder if the Sox made some promises about how quickly he would move through the system, or if that is just Robert's level of confidence coming out. Possibly, but it would be tough to put a timetable on him reaching the majors without seeing how he performs against single A competition. I personally feel like he should be in Kannapolis right away getting reps, but I do understand that he has not played competitive baseball in awhile and the DZL can be a helpful transition.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) Live yes, watched every video possible on YouTube. As I've said on here lately, he swings and misses as just a ridiculous rate on the videos. He's a hard pass for me Kendall is not seemingly our first choice, but if he can improve his contact you could be looking at a really good player. He has solid pop, great speed, good arm and good defense. Nearly every prospect will carry a certain level of risk, but Kendall's potential upside is tough to pass on.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 03:39 PM) http://m.mlb.com/news/article/233792904/pr...opicId=27118122 Lots of great quotes, Robert puts out a hyper aggressive timeline for helping the White Sox in one year's time I would say 0% chance Robert reaches the majors by 2018, very very low chance he is ready by 2019, and with 2020 being the soonest I could realistically see him being called up to the mlb. He would have to be murdering the ball in the minors to reach the mlb within the next year. He's very talented, but he should not be rushed since we are rebuilding anyways.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) Perhaps this is why: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jose-quinta...un-suppression/ I don't think his trade value has changed all that much. Contending teams will still have to pay a premium for the 3 1/2 seasons of relatively cheap control over Quintana compared with the high cost of quality free agent starting pitching. I would not expect a Chris Sale level return, but I also would not accept significantly less. A deal along the lines of the return from the Eaton deal (not necessarily pitching) seems realistic. Potential buyers right now: Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, Indians, Astros, Nationals, Brewers, Cardinals, Cubs, Rockies, Diamondbacks, Dodgers

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 04:33 PM) Should note, there are a few interesting later round picks but man, pretty crappy overall. 75-100 may be most interesting set, includes Charlie Blackmon and Craig Kimbrel. Agreed, overall 2008 was a very weak draft

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 04:33 PM) Should note, there are a few interesting later round picks but man, pretty crappy overall. 75-100 may be most interesting set, includes Charlie Blackmon and Craig Kimbrel. Agreed, overall 2008 was a very weak draft

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 03:18 PM) Any person with an expiring contract and control should be off of this roster by August 1, 2017. Absolutely no exceptions. I don't care what it does to our major league roster, they are on a clearance sale as far as I am concerned. I am not saying the Sox should not try to sell off whatever they can at the deadline. I just do not think that we will be able to actually move nine players off of our 25 man roster by the deadline. Holland, Robertson, Swarzak, Melky, Frazier, Gonzalez, etc. should all be on the block. Holland, Robertson and Swarzak have so far played well enough to likely have decent value.

QUOTE (fredmanrique @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 09:30 AM) Putting quintana, abreu and jones in the wait until winter bucket. It starts to look like the only way to get the top 25-125 type guys we have been tracking is to bundle people to the best possible contender. A team seeking a 4/5th starter upgrade and multiple bullpen arms. So positive spin: that is most contending teams by july. Robertson, jennings, migo to WAS for something led by Soto? Swarzak, Frazier, Y. Sanchez to BOS for something led by Groome? Melky, kahnle, holland to STL for kelly? Gut the bullpen, eat money. Add the best prospects possible til q hopefully rebounds in the 2H You're suggesting that we trade 9 mlb players off of our 25 man roster at the deadline? That is definitely not going to happen, we still need to field a team. Keep in mind that teams would have to make corresponding roster moves in order to absorb 3 MLB players in one trade.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) Beck, Adell, and Kendall likely need to go top 10 for Haseley to fall to Sox. Or Shane Baz or Faedo or someone unexpected needs to go top 10. Not likely IMO. Risk averse teams would have a tough time passing on Haseley for Adell or Kendall. I think Adell and Kendall are higher upside players than Haseley, but carry considerably more risk

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 08:23 AM) Yeah it's just that he's such an outlier. Every fast singles-hitting outfielder isn't tagged with an ichiro comp, but every low-power, good defensive 1b gets hit with an Olerud comp. But Olerud was an offensive force even without power. I actually hate when every decent hit tool, but limited power 1B prospect with solid defense is compared to Olerud. It HUGELY discounts how good of a player Olerud was for such a long time. He was worth 58 WAR in his career and is a fringe hall of famer. From what I have seen Pavin Smith is a quality prospect, but 1B only types really have to perform with the bat to have much value. I'd much rather draft positions much harder to fill

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 08:09 AM) Well some of the Sox 2nd tier pitching might work for them. Guys like Swarzak? Beck? Possibly, but the Sox are not going to give players away unless there is some upside coming back Derek Holland might be pitching himself into solid trade value at the deadline if he keeps his performance up. He has been about as good as we could possibly ask for so far.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ May 31, 2017 -> 04:09 PM) To me, Hiura has the better bat and the better chance of sticking at a non 1B position. Scouting reports I've seen seem to think Burger could actually stick at 3B, which would help his value a ton. Huira by all accounts is a below average defensive player and currently does not have a true position Ideally Haseley is on the board for us, although I doubt he falls out of the top ten. I am not shutting the door on selecting a pitcher either if they are the best player available.

QUOTE (budgie23 @ May 31, 2017 -> 08:34 PM) Could JBJ be a comparable to J Kendall? Low AVG, elite defense, above average power - obviously you take him at #11 - if he ends up like JBJ Kendall has much better speed than Bradley, but the rest of the projection holds true

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 01:34 AM) The only concern I'd have (were I a DBacks' fan) is how they're going to be able to afford to improve their current roster. Despite their record, the last couple of seasons especially being massive disappointments (see Shelby Miller deal and collapse of the LaRussa/Dave Stewart regime), the sterling records of the Dodgers/Giants...it has inevitably watered demand for their tickets down to the bottom 25% of MLB franchises. But, as you mentioned, to pull the rug out from under the fans who've suffered over the last 5 years or so would be a death blow to them in all likelihood. Not the only concern I'd have. As I said in my post above, the Diamondbacks farm in incredibly thin on talent. Take a look and there just really is not much of anything in their cupboard moving forward.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 31, 2017 -> 11:58 PM) Colorado lost their top set up guy for awhile but they are still one of the best teams in the N.L. They'll be a buyer. Arizona right now is in the playoff mix solidly. They aren't going to dump Grienke or anybody, they'll also be a buyer in my opinion. Arizona has arguably the weakest farm system in the major leagues right now. I honestly am not even sure who I would be asking for in their system? Duplaintier? Wilson? I don't think they will be able to be serious buyers of anything significant.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2017 -> 11:33 PM) The Dodgers had the prospects but seemingly not the willingness to part with the top ones, especially in light of substituting Forsythe for Dozier. That was supposedly for JUST one elite pitching prospect (with a little glimmer off)...of course, they were looking at a rental situation with Dozier as well. Cardinals were a name we bandied around quite a bit. Brewers, too early in their rebuild. The Yankees seemingly need some "predictability" with the season that Tanaka's having so far, but it's not much different than what Jose Quintana has provided the White Sox. Colorado is looking to buy, sell or stand pat? Cargo's having a garbage season. What about DBacks? Try to dump Greinke? (Of course the other problem Hahn is going to have to deal with is all those teams like the Mets, Royals, Angels with Trout down, the Tigers are likely to be looking to unload...the AL bunched up like a lot of us predicted, but not necessarily the most favorable teams for us to be competing with in terms of putting talent on the market. Another good example is the Rays, do they clean house and try to deal Archer/Odorizzi/Andriese/Cobb, Longoria, etc.?) Orioles never had the matching prospects. And then you have the A's (holding Gray) and the Rangers with Darvish/Hamels if they feel they can't hang in there for the wildcard (Gallo has resurrected himself, Mazara about the same, Odor struggling and Profar completely off the map again.) Also, in retrospect the Nats deal seemed to be an overpay (based on comments by guys like Bryce Harper alone)....but the Red Sox deal for Sale always felt "one half" player short in that they couldn't pry away Benintendi, Devers, Groome. That would have been a truly incredible deal for the Sox, though. If Boston had included devers or benintendi along with moncada and kopech it would likely be meet with huge regret on their part. Moncada and kopech alone might end up being regrettable to part with, with basabe and Diaz providing more product depth