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    Rodon to IL, Basabe DFA’d, Lail called up

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    22 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

    What the hell... I would be absolutely stunned if he does not get claimed. Top 10 prospect in a relatively strong prospect group.  No way he doesn't get claimed

    Basabe is certainly not a top ten Sox prospect at this stage. There are considerable concerns about his bat playing at the MLB level. 

    I am willing to bet Basabe does not get claimed and ends up returning to the Sox

    FOX SPORTS MLB TWITTER VOTE

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    55 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

    It basically turned into "most active Twitter fanbase", which the White Sox are actually "good" at. And it doesn't hurt that more popular teams obviously had people voting against them too

    In fairness, Sox fans have not shown up because the on field product has been garbage for a decade

    Michael Kopech

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    17 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

    If service time were not a concern, I'd still be 50/50 about wanting him to break camp with the big league team and a lot would depend on what we saw from him in ST.

    In 2018, he started off the year at Charlotte and he really wasn't ready - he had major control issues, topped off by a performance in mid June where he walked 8 batters in 3 innings. This wasn't just him working on something, it literally took him April, May, and June of that year for him to figure out how to control anything he was throwing. Once he figured something out, in early-July, he put together a run of 7 starts where he walked 4 people total the entire time. 

    If he's throwing in the spring and his control is that pinpoint, then yes you can say he's "no doubt one of their 5 best SP". But we saw the same sort of control development for him in 2017 and 2018 both, where it takes him until May or June for him to find his control, then he would simply not be ready. So it's not just service time, it's not just the innings limit or protecting him physically, we have seen him need a long time to find control before and until we see him in games throughout March we don't know where  his control is this year.

    Service time is one thing, but this I agree with^

    I believe he will be healthy and ready to go, but a month or two in AAA can go a long way towards proving his control is where it needs to be for 2020. 

    Michael Kopech

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    On 2/15/2020 at 4:53 PM, iWiN4PreP said:

    I don't think we can pencil him in for anything at this point. We gotta see how he pitches first. Spring training will be a welcomed sight (assuming hes pitching then). I think we will get a lot of our information from that.

    This^

    2020 is all about Kopech rebuilding his strength and being healthy. I'd expect him to be sent down to AAA for April/May and then evaluate where he is at. 

    Anything he provides the MLB club with this year is gravy. 

    What would it take to get Nolan Arenado?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, HakunaMachado said:

    We are all bashing this twitter guy and also secretly hoping it’s somehow true, right???

    Not at all. 

    Arenado rumors are 99.9% chance BS.

    1) Arenado has a full NTC

    2) Sox are not adding a massive contract to the payroll at this stage of the offseason, heavy lifting was already done

    3) This would likely cost some combination of Vaughn/Madrigal/Stiever/etc. and I do not see the Sox up what limited farm resources we have

    4) Arenado's splits away from Coors raise concern

    5) This flat out is not happening

    2020 MLB Draft Thread

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

    I agree. They need top end pitching and it's nice when a draft is deep in a need.  They won't have to reach to fill a position of need.  

    Sox should really be open to selecting best prospect available regardless of position. An advanced college arm likely appeals because he could get to the majors quickly, but the organization may want to resist the urge to select quick impact over a better long term prospect.

    The best organizations scout and draft well year in and year out. 

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    Castellanos to Reds , rumored 4/64M

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    25 minutes ago, cjgalloway said:

    I reallllllly like the idea of Mazara in RF as our 8 hitter right now... HOWEVER, if Castellanos wanted to try a 1 year-15 million "prove it" deal, then I would be fine punting on the Mazara experiment.  

    I think Sox feel good about rolling the dice on Mazara for 2020 in RF. A change of scenery might really benefit him, and he can bat in the 7/8/9 hole with less pressure. 

    Castellanos just does not seem like a fit, especially after inking Encarnacion to DH. 

    If the Sox add they should look to a guy like Gennett/Dozier/Iglesias. 

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    Ozuna signs w/ Atlanta

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    13 hours ago, BrianAnderson said:

    Wouldnt want to give up the draft pick, however 1 year and 18mm is a nice deal. Maybe Castanellos is available for a very similar figure...... definitely pull that trigger if so. 

    I'd be on board for a one year deal for Castellanos, but I do not see it happening after the Mazara trade. 

     

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    Badler Day - our 2020 Intl Review

    in FutureSox Board

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    1 hour ago, bmags said:

    Have seen nada.

    I should clarify, we have been speculated to be in on colas if he goes next period.

    I know we signed Yolbert Sanchez who was touted from the 2018 class, but 2019 seemed fairly disappointing in terms of international signings.

    I realize we got a few guys, but hopefully we can nab some top 30 talents in the 2020 class.

    Castellanos to Reds , rumored 4/64M

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said:

    If something like 1/$20 is possible at this point, I'd roll the dice.  Otherwise hard pass. 

    This.  And as long of a shot as it may be, there is the potential that RF will be the only position we need to address next offseason, and Betts would be the finishing piece.  A little easier to drop $350M on one guy when you don't have a shit load of other holes to fill.  

    In the meantime, we still have the chance for Mazara to have his best MLB season to date, or Adolfo to stay healthy and explode.  

    Definitely don't want to commit to NC longer than a year as that is committing to essentially punting team defense which is stupid.  

    I think many teams around the league feel the same way. They would happily roll the dice on Castellanos for one season, but totally do not want to commit to such a poor defensive outfielder long term. 

    How much do teams buy in to his outstanding two month stretch with the Cubs vs. the player he has been before? A one year deal might make sense for him because a good season would likely help him get a multi year deal next offseason, especially if he shows improved defense.

    As of right now I do not see him landing with the Sox

    MLB Pipeline Prospects

    in FutureSox Board

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    On 1/17/2020 at 3:30 PM, Dominikk85 said:

    I'm not holding it against him but before I rank a college first baseman top20 overall I would want to see a little more. 

    I probably wouldn't rank a 1b below AA ball top30 overall unless he is either a young plus athlete (bellinger) or he flat out kills the ball. 

    Vaughn's ranking is because he was heavily scouted and one of the best college hitters period. I would not put too much stock into his 2019 performance and would look for him to mash in 2020. 

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    Twins Sign Donaldson

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    2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    Donaldson is good.  He makes the Twins better in 2020.  He is also 34 years old, and the Twins will most likely be paying him $29M in 2023 in his age 37 season.  The backend of this deal is going to hurt them - likely quite a bit.  

    Its a strange allocation of resources for the Twins, but frankly, at this juncture in the offseason he was the guy that made the most sense to the spend the money on.  There is no SP left worth paying. The Twins allowing it to get to this point is what is strange.  

    This may be a bit of a kick in the balls to the Sox 2020 ALC chances, but this offseason was never about building a WS contender for 2020. Its about the beginning of a 6-7 year window, and this Donaldson move really does very little to negatively impact the White Sox long term outlook.  And if Donaldson is unable to stay healthy the next two seasons - the only two in which you can reasonably expect him to earn his money - this deal is really going to hurt the Twins.

    Twins fan are excited.  And they should be.  Their previous forays into expensive free agents have pretty much all failed.  The most expensive position player free agent in franchise history prior to Donaldson was a 3/$24M deal to Jason fuckin' Castro.  So of course they're going to be excited. This move also improves their IF defense quite a bit by getting Sano off 3B, but I remain unconvinced that Donaldson is anything more than an average 3B at this point, though is 2019 defensive metrics were fairly strong.

    Everything will be OK Sox fans.  Twins weren't just going to standby and make no moves in what is the tailend of their window.  85 wins isn't going to win this division, so let's go out and get 90 wins and see where the chips fall.  

    Truth^

    Sox had a tremendous offseason and will be relevant in 2020, even if the playoffs are not necessarily likely. We have a huge influx of young talent that is big league ready and more depth than we have had in years.

    Sox were wise to limit much of the spending to one year deals, providing us flexibility in free agency next offseason. 

    White Sox future outlook thread

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    19 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

    Top 10 Teams according to ESPN

    1. Yankees

    2. Dodgers

    3. Rays

    4. Astros

    5. Nationals

    6. A'S

    7. Braves

    8. Cardinals

    9. Twins 

    10. Mets

    12. Indians

    14. Cubs

    16. White Sox: They are better, unquestionably, after adding Yasmani Grandal, Dallas Keuchel and Edwin Encarnacion, and re-signing Jose Abreu. But remember, they finished 28½ games behind Minnesota last year, and will need another big year from Lucas Giolito and a smooth re-entry for Michael Kopech as he returns from Tommy John surgery.

    That is pretty fair considering the Sox have yet to prove themselves on the field yet. We really need our younger players to take the next step forward to help drive the rebuild. 

    The Twins and Indians will still be formidable this year, but we have done a solid job of removing black holes from our lineup

    Would you extend Nick Madrigal? For how much?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    8 minutes ago, Eloy Jiménez said:

    I'm torn on this, personally. Robert looks like a much stronger player.

    Do you feel the Sox should sign NM or let him play it out? 


    If the price is right, I guess I would sign him. I'm not a money expert, but I want this board's thoughts.

    There is no reason to approach Madrigal about an extension right now. Let him spend the first month in AAA to prove himself and then call him up in May sometime.

    That right there gives the Sox nearly seven seasons of contractual control, and his lack of power likely holds him back from ever being a player we should be overly concerned about losing down the line. 

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    Offseason 2019-2020 MLB Catch All Thread

    in The Diamond Club

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    2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    MLB.  He's already a top 10 prospect in the system.  

    Unless he puts up an enormous 2019 season likely starting in AA I think it would be tough for him to crack top 100 prospect lists. He does not field per scouting reports all that well, but his arm is plenty good for an outfield corner. That places tons of pressure on his bat to play though. 

    So far injuries have help him back from breaking out, but there certainly is remaining potential there. There's development to be further tapped into, lets hope he can prove that 

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