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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 09:10 AM) And it doesn't seem like that'll be Beer honestly if we pick top 5. Not if he is viewed at 1B (just looked at past 4 drafts in the first round). Depending on where we end up picking anyway. I don't see Beer as being quite as good of a prospect as everyone is making him out to be The bat and power are certainly legitimate, but he is a well below average runner and fielder, limiting him to a 1B/DH role in the majors You generally look for for higher upside at the top of the first round, because if the bat is not great he doesn't have much use anywhere else

QUOTE (Bruce_Blixton @ Apr 5, 2017 -> 12:38 PM) Not sure that he'll "breakout" but I'm excited to see what Amado Nunez does this year. He had a really strong season in the AZL last year and hope he can build on it this year. I'm also interested to see what Zach Thompson does this year, a little old for his league but I really like his frame and hope he can stick as a starter. Nunez committed 30 errors at SS in 52 games. He's young, but the glove seems to be extremely raw. Thompson appears to be best suited to be a two pitch middle reliever to me

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 03:52 PM) This is a good list. Big years from Fisher and Adolfo would be huge for the organization's position player depth. I'm not sure Hansen counts here since he's knocking on top 100 lists and the organization's top 10 list already, but if Hansen stays healthy and builds on last year, the second wave of pitching talent in the system looks really good. It would be amazing if Adolfo did anything positive this season So far he has been a huge disappointment

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 01:14 PM) Trade deadline tracker: Likely pitchers available - Jose Quintana - 2/$15.85M - 2/$22 team options Chris Archer - 3/$19M - 2/$20 team options Jake Odorizzi - Pre-Arb (eligible 18) Junior Guerra - Pre-arb - Currently Injured Zach Greinke - 5/$172.5M Clay Buchholz - 1/$13.5M Ervin Santana - 2/$27M - 1/$14M team option (vesting) Sonny Gray - Pre-Arb (eligible 18) - Currently Injured Derek Holland - 1/$6M Justin Verlander - 3/$84M - 1/$22M vesting option Likely teams looking for pitching: Rangers Yankees Mariners Astros Orioles Cardinals Pirates Giants Dodgers Cubs Others that may be in the market: Braves Blue Jays I thought it would be nice to keep a running tab on this until the deadline as the injuries and pennant races take shape. It would nice for the Sox if the Rays stayed in contention so that their two pitchers stayed off the market. Archer is the only one close to Q on the level of contract value and is probably worth a bit more due to his extra year of control at a submarket rate. Archer is not likely to be traded unless for a massive haul. Tampa would have to enter full rebuild in order for that to happen and I just don't see it right now. Grienke/Verlander are owed a ton of money, making it tough(er) to get a deal done without the seller eating a huge chunk of the contract Quintana is a very attractive piece because the contract is reasonable, and he's in his prime

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) In the Chris Sale deal we got a Kris Bryant potential level of player in Moncada, as well as Kopech and Basabe. If a draft were to occur today, all three would be first round picks based on their ceilings. Kopech would be a top 5 pick at lowest. Moncada and Kopech would go #1 and #2 overall in the 2017 mlb draft without question

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 09:31 AM) I was thinking maybe if the Astros got him, it would help the prospect blow of making a deal for Q. Astros, Padres and Cardinals are said to be very much in the mix I really hope the Sox can find a way to land Robert, he's pretty much exactly what this farm system needs for our rebuild

QUOTE (beautox @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 09:37 AM) yeah they've got 5 rule V players on their roster tied with the '03 tigers in that division i could see them surpassing the tigers loss record. Still a top 3 pick is fine. Beer's bat looks great, but I don't like hearing scouts questioning his ability to stick in the outfield If he is a 1B/DH player only his value will take a bit time hit, even with a great bat. Doubtful he goes #1 or even #2 overall

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 01:59 PM) Pitcher - Luis Martinez Hitter - Michael Hickman Pitcher - Alec Hansen If he can continue to build on his excellent minor league debut we could see Hansen rocket up prospect lists into the top #100 by midseason. His control and command are still iffy, but White Sox coaching should be able to help him to reduce his walks to a reasonable level. I also think Dane Dunning will be a fast riser through the minor leagues as he is very polished out of Florida. I expect him to reach AA or even AAA by end of the season. Hitter - tougher to say. Collins is certainly the best overall hitter in our system right now, and I expect him to produce

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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 03:05 PM) Perhaps, or maybe he is three years away. I think he could be the prospect equal to what Gleybar Torres is next year at this time. My point is that Perez does not really fit into our timeline for a rebuild. Sox want to target much closer to the mlb players like: Giolito, Lopez, Moncada, Kopech, Dunning (who I think will move quickly through the minors), Burdi, etc. Basabe is the furthest away from the majors that we have acquired and he will likely start the season in high A ball. Figure a player needs at least a full season at each minor league stop prior to advancing, unless they are an anomaly

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) Im going to stick with the Q to the Cards theme of the week. Kelly, Sierra, Perez C - Kelly 1B - Collins 2B - Moncada SS - Perez 3B - Anderson LF - Basabe CF - Sierra RF - Robert DH - Abreu SP - Rodon SP - Lopez SP - Kopech SP - Giolito SP - Fulmer Thats an elite defensive squad with some real offensive upside. Delvin Perez is five years away from bring MLB ready. I don't see the Cardinals as good fit in a trade

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 11:14 AM) Of course the other five are better fits, but saying no deal with the Cards is viable isn't true. For the Cardinals to pull a deal off they are realistically looking at having to trade 3 of their top 5 prospects, plus another top 15 organizational prospect at a minimum due to a lack of high end prospects I really do not see that happening

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 10:36 AM) Reyes (injury gamble), Kelly, Perez and Weaver wouldn't be something to just dismiss. St. Louis is not trading it's top 4 prospects, even though it would take close to that package to be realistic for the White Sox Right now I do not see STL and the Sox as a good trade match for Quintana Yankees, Dodgers, Braves, Pirates and Astros are all better matches

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) A Cardinals offer for Q reminds me of when a fantasy football team offers you 4 bench guys for your top RB (doesn't matter how much quantity they offer) I can't come up with a trade package coming from St Louis that makes much sense for the White Sox, or that could not be beaten by other clubs

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 10:05 AM) https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/sl-cardina...eeper-quintana/ Cardinals could be sleepers for Quintana according to jon heyman Meh I'm not thrilled with what the Cardinals farm system could offer

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 08:38 AM) I think only circumstances would prevent him from sticking at catcher such as another catcher who develops in the same time frame as Collins . The Sox like him back there so far .He receives the ball softly doesn't stab at it. Throws well enough. Game calling very hard to tell at this juncture . Looked nimble back there. I'm on board with him sticking at catcher from what I have seen and heard/read. https://wahoosonfirst.com/2017/03/29/clevel...-jose-quintana/ Wow^^^ This article made me laugh pretty hard for obvious reasons

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 06:20 AM) Aneury Tavarez has been placed on waivers. Rule 5 guy. If he clears, he gets offered back to Boston. He had a nice Spring Training. Seems like the type of guy a rebuilding team should have interest in. He does seem to be an interesting candidate for a rebuilding club Outside of last season at AA he has not shown much though

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) lol, ok. We are all just waiting for the Quintana hammer to fall so that we have something else to talk about

QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) If you aggregate all of the top prospect lists Alvarez and Verdugo come out as the #33 and #42 prospects. I like them both as prospects, but as of now the Dodgers do not seem to be in the mix for Quintana I feel like the Sox are holding out for the premium position player prospect like Torres or Meadows Asking for Martes + Tucker + Musgrove is not unreasonable as a starting point to get the discussion going, but the Sopx aren't going to drop their pants to make a deal happen

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 10:33 AM) Enough? Are you kidding me? I think Bellinger is untouchable in a Q trade personally. He'll be contributing to their team this year. Future star. Something could definitely be built around Alvarez and Verdugo though I do not feel Alvarez and Verdugo would be enough to headline a Quintana deal on their own

QUOTE (zisk @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) The Dodgers seem to have the right pieces to trade for Q. He would make their rotation as tough as anyone in baseball. They also have several position prospects and that is where the Sox are thinnest. Dodgers seem content to hang onto their prospects right now Would a Bellinger, Alvarez and Verdugo package be enough?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) Yeah that was kind of my point. Sanchez is thought of as a low ceiling player and kind of an afterthought. May has significantly under preformed him. They both are supposed to be very good defenders, and not much power or OBP. Sanchez can at least get his hits. Sanchez and May are the type of guys that would not make a contending teams 25 man roster Sox are rebuilding so it doesn't really matter, might as well give them a shot

QUOTE (Baron @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 04:39 PM) I dont get it some times. Why dont you guys look at the teams involved? Lets highlight the Pirates and Astros. Do you guys think they operate the same as the Nationals or the Red Sox? Look at the history of Dombrowski and Rizzo. It was the perfect storm for Sale. We may never get there with Q unfortunately and it's up to the Sox then if they want to drop value/ keep him. I'd rather keep him past next offseason if he's still here. You have two teams trying to trade for Q who love their prospects. Maybe it'll change at the deadline. Beyond that the Astros can spend money. The Pirates are content with doing nothing. Dodgers could get involved during the season if they need rotation help? Mid to small market teams tend to cling to prospects more often that larger market clubs, but not always Sox hold the cards having Q under control for 4 more seasons The Pirates rely too heavily on their farm to have the stones to make a big trade for Q...but when it's June or July and your team is right in the the thick of contention, or if you have a starter get hurt then Quintana for 3 1/2 seasons on a reasonable contract appears very attractive

QUOTE (Baron @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) Money is money. Prospects are gold to some of these teams. Houston can spend money which it's obviously that they'd rather do. Even if Quintana were a 3 month rental, he still would have significant trade value Few prospects are actually untouchable Torres was not untouchable when the Cubs needed Chapman Frazier and Sheffield were not untouchable for Miller Moncada was reportedly untouchable... All top prospects are untouchable...until they aren't and get traded I consider a 70 grade prospect to be close to untouchable...which currently does not exist in any farm system. These are truly elite players along the lines of Trout, Bryant, Betts that are total franchise players. 55 Grade prospects like Martes and Tucker are nowhere near that level

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 04:08 PM) Could argue? That is a clear step down from Moncada and Kopech. Kopech is better than either of Martes or Tucker. Moncada is on another level. Kopech > Martes Moncada >> Tucker If I am Houston I would be all over Quintana as a major piece that could help the team reach the next level I do not consider Martes or Tucker to be untouchable prospect by any means. Both could be replaced over the next 4 seasons that Quintana is under contract, and neither player is likely to become more valuable than Quintana is I'm totally fine holding onto Q until the deadline and then getting a contender bidding war going