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    Will Harris to Nats

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    45 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

    Guess I’m alone that I would have been happy with this deal. Sure, maybe the 3rd year would be a waste, but I think Harris will have excess value at 2/16. He’s been consistently getting it done for a long time, I see no obvious reasons that he will suddenly fall off. 

    Going three years for a 35 year old middle reliever is playing with fire. The fall off could happen at anytime, especially with bullpen pitchers. 

    Sox likely had a two year offer on the table, but were unwilling to go to three years for Harris. 

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    Just now, ChiSox59 said:

    I'd be fine with Gennett or Dietrich as a cheap stop gap 2B fill in, then bench piece.  Neither has signed yet.  But both hit lefty so neither would be a good platoonmate for Mazara down the line.  

    We need to add some form of a 2B/OF Utility player in the event of an injury or two as well

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    I have no problem with Collins starting in AAA.  But I actually think the Sox stand pat in the OF right now.  Leury will be Mazara's platoon mate.  Mendick can cover 2B for the couple games Leury has to play RF against LHP early in the season.

    I think the Sox more likely to add a cheap 1 year 2B.  I suppose it would be ideal if that guy could also play RF and end up being Mazara's platoon mate once Madrigal arrives, but the only FA that really fits that description at this point is Zobrist.  

    Zobrist on a cheap one year deal could make sense^

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

    Eh, the balance of speed and power is what makes it so much fun. 

    I'd say good luck getting Robert not to run; guy loves it. Can you blame him? If I ran like that I'd be stealing all day everyday.

    Once Madrigal is up, this is easily the most exciting White Sox roster...ever? 

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    Sox acquire Nomar Mazara for Steele Walker

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    38 minutes ago, pcq said:

    If Mazara works out the Socks could have three studs in the OF, one roaming and two stumbling. I believe he will prove his worth. 

    Mazara is a shrewd gamble for the White Sox to take because one of three outcomes will happen:

    1) Mazara takes a developmental step and becomes a quality regular at RF. Sox control him through 2021.

    2) Mazara is the same guy he has been, Sox look to upgrade the position via trade or FA next offseason. This is likely. 

    3) Mazara is awful, Sox cut bait

    He will not have much pressure on him to perform in the bottom of the order, and there is upside remaining if the change of scenery helps him. 

     

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    26 minutes ago, michelangelosmonkey said:

    But does he really have a low walk rate?   In Cuba from age 16-18 he had 600 at bats and had 80 walks and 100 strike outs.  Ok it's not American...but it is professional baseball...probably low A level?   For comparison sake Jose Abreu 16-18 years in Cuba had 700 at bats, 69 walks and 88 strike outs.  Cespedes had 600, 62 and 125; Yasiel Puig had 600, 69 and 88.  That looks like he has a better eye than any of those good major league hitters.

    In the Dominican league at age 19 for the Sox he had 82 at bats with 22 walks and 23 strikeouts...short season and DSL...but still...didn't look like a disaster of a batting eye.  

    At 20 he had the thumb injury most of the year.  At 21...ok walk to strike out rate was not good but when you are hitting .330 with 70+ extra base hits...don't take a walk seems good advice.   

    I would expect some initial growing pains with Robert, but the talent is there for him to eventually thrive in the MLB. He's the type of prospect you dream on him putting it all together. 

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

    There are so many ways in which Brinson and Robert are nothing alike though; which is why I hate how lazy the comp is. Also, every single player in the big leagues will have a "comp" that ended up being a bust. 

    To compare the two, let's just start with their MiLB iso's. Brinson' best season had ISO's of 236 and 231. Robert had an ISO of 296 between three levels last year. Robert's wRC+ was 20 points higher than Brinson best year.

    Robert was the best player in MiLB last year; Brinson never held that title. 

    The ONLY place they are similar is in their K/BB. It's a lazy comp.

    The lack of walks and strikeout rate are partially what holds me back from saying Robert is a sure fire star in the making. 

    https://www.fangraphs.com/players/wander-franco/sa3007033/stats?position=SS

    A guy like Wander Franco, posting that BB% and K% rate at his age against high A totally indicates a flat out elite future bat. 

    I'm not comparing the two directly, but I'd like to see Robert draw a few more walks and cut down a little on the K's. Overall he should be dynamic in our lineup!

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    3 minutes ago, daggins said:

    From the Fangraphs chat w/ Edwards today:

    Stephen
    2:09
    Luis Robert's "Future Value" is just "55", which is equal to Nick Madrigal's (another White Sox prospect), for example. These projections aren't adjusted at all given Robert's 2019 minor league performance? Also, does today's news (contract extension) change his 2020 projections (considering he will likely play a whole season in the majors now)?
     
    Craig Edwards
    2:14
    In some respects, the signing means very little for the White Sox. Depth Charts already had Robert slated for 120 games and 504 plate appearances. I think we can probably add 25 more games and 100 PA, so that will help his projections some. As for his 55 future value, I'm sure Kiley and Eric will factor in his performance last year, but in keep in mind they could have adjusted him up during the season last year and didn't. There are concerns about how his walk rates and swings and misses will translate at the big league level as well as him in center field. He's not quite as good of a prospect as Eloy Jiménez was last season due to those concerns with the bat, and even Jiménez struggled some to start the season. Also, a 55 is still one of the top 20-50 prospects in the game.
     
     
    EDIT - I think there's enough risk here that this isn't a slam dunk.

    I understand a bit of fangraphs restraint with Robert. He does not walk much, and there are some swing and miss concerns.

    Lewis Brinson busting I'm sure gives them pause. That said Robert is extremely talented and just as easily could break out at the MLB level in 2020. Superstar upside for sure. 

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    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    Just now, chitownsportsfan said:

    They gotta try and lock up Moncada if he has another big year.  Something in the 200 million range will get it done.  6 years 200 million with a bunch deferred.  Get him signed through 2027 with Robert.

    I'd try to lock up Moncada before he goes out and puts up a 6 WAR season and essentially ensures he does not sign an extension. 

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    Just now, Jack Parkman said:

    I'd rather they give Moncada that dough. 

     

    Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

    And I said it before, but you just can't say this very often about the White Sox; they are the best in baseball at this and it's a really important and underrated aspect of rebuilding and sustaining success/window. The Cubs didn't extend anyone and now they are in a tough spot because they are up against the tax and they can't pay their young stars due to overpaid FA's. This is an excellent move by the White Sox to maximize their window, even if it does take on a bit more risk.

    Outside of bullpen, possibly a 2B/OF, looking into Giolito and Moncada extensions are the smartest things the Sox can do right now. Lock up this core as long as possible.

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    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    Just now, almagest said:

    I think the Sox view Mazara as a stop gap (unless he explodes and turns into a 3+ WAR player) and are planning to make a push to sign Betts when he's a free agent. There's no reason they can't, especially now that there's a bit more clarity around key piece salaries for the future. They have not converted on this tier yet, though, so I'm not optimistic.

    Betts is likely looking at 10/$370 million in free agency, the Sox will not be touching numbers like that

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    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    This doesn't necessitate putting him on the 40 man immediately, does it?   

    edit: I believe that it does.  So we now need to remove 2 guys once this and EE and become official.  

    It does because this is a major league deal

    There will have to be movement on the 40 man to add Robert and Encarnacion

    I'd predict Zavala/Medeiros/Foster get waived

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    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    30 minutes ago, chetkincaid said:

    I know this is off topic but God I want Mookie Betts in RF.

    Offer Boston Vaughn, Dunning, Mazara and Basabe for Betts. Sign Betts to a 7 year $245 extension.

    A guy can dream, can't he?

    Why would Betts even consider signing an extension when he can hit free agency in a year? 

    Sox are also not dealing all that young talent for a one year rental being paid $28 million in 2020. They will need young inexpensive players like Vaughn and Dunning to keep contention going. 

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    Just now, Jack Parkman said:

    Gotta get Moncada and Giolito done too. Those are gonna be more expensive. 

    Giolito is four seasons away from free agency, I think an extension could make sense for both sides. 

    Giolito could get paid much sooner, and could give the Sox two option years on the backend of a potential extension. 

    Moncada is also four years away from free agency, but a deal might be tougher there. 

    Sox acquire Nomar Mazara for Steele Walker

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    3 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

    I agree with this. I would have never thought the Sox had a chance of signing Betts before this offseason started, but they proved that they will spend aggressively on guys they really like (Grandal) and offer the most for a desirable free agent (Wheeler). I’m not saying that the Sox will sign Betts, but I feel more optimistic about the possibility of it happening than I did when this offseason started.

    "Former MLB general manager Jim Bowden of The Athletic recently made a player move prediction for every team. Betts was unsurprisingly who he focused on for the Red Sox, making a case for extending their superstar to a 10-year, $370 million deal."

    I cannot see the White Sox handing out a 10/$370 contract ever. Betts is not coming here.

    Here’s A Laugh

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    7 minutes ago, Dam8610 said:

    Trading Robert and Moncada for Arenado would make the Shields trade look smart. Same thing goes just for Robert.

    Arenado does not make much sense for the Sox and talk of dealing Robert is total BS. Robert is not going anywhere.

    Sox acquire Nomar Mazara for Steele Walker

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    4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    You're right, they probably won't sign Mookie Betts or Springer.  But I sure as shit am not removing all doubt a year in advance by handing the single worst defensive OF in the game a 4 year contract.  

    Its not happening man.  Time to move on.  

    I'll come right out and say it now. The White Sox absolutely are not signing Betts, and highly unlikely to pay Springer too. 

    If we are going to spend big money next offseason it would be on pitching. 

    Sox acquire Nomar Mazara for Steele Walker

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    4 minutes ago, sullythered said:

    Come on, it's way more nuanced a move than that.  Mazara is a young player with standout tools who has, to this point been only a replace-level player, but a lot of people around the league think there is at least a small chance that a change of scenery could lead to a breakout season for him.  At best, this happens and the Sox extend the team option at low cost.  At worst, he is the "meh" player he has been to this point, but having your worst hitter, and a guy who will probably hit around 8th in the lineup, be a 96 OPS+ hitter is not gonna sink the ship.  

     

    When you look at the move in the overall context of all the moves they made this offseason, it makes sense to take a flier on a guy you think could realize his potential here.

    Mazara reminds me quite a bit of Avisail Garcia in terms of the pedigree and talent is there, he just does not seem to put it all together

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