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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:57 PM) 30 power is 3 to 5 homers a year. His 60 hit tool supposedly translates to .280. You are pretty much describing a lesser averaged, less speedy Juan Pierre. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouting-ex...scouting-scale/ He has a 60 hit tool, but also knows how to draw walks to get on base He could be a + .280 hitter with a +.350 OBP with solid speed. No power though. Solid 2 hitter

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:28 PM) Mike, Keller is a top 50 guy in some publications and will be when new lists are updated. That's too much IMO. How is a ML ready catcher the same as a fireballing reliever in A ball? Two scenarios: Meadows + Glasnow/Keller + Newman or Glasnow + Bell + Newman + Diaz

QUOTE (ecupittfan @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:08 PM) Jeff Hoffman is considered to be the best of the bunch. He was supposed to be the #1 pick the Rodon draft year, prior to Tommy John his last year in college. Came back and went through the minors fairly quickly. Was the centerpiece of the Tulowitzki trade. He may be the best on the staff in the near future. Rockies prospects Hoffman #2 Hoffman is a good prospect, but still has a ways to go to prove himself. He has bounced back from injury well though. I don't see the Rockies going from a bottom 5 pitching staff, to one that can compete with the Dodgers or Giants next season without some major additions

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) Get to Googlin' the name of Mr. Ronald Acuna because him + Albies is a duo of position players that is really only topped by Torres+Frazier/Rutherford or Meadows+Bell/Newman. Then you infuse some young lefties (Sox are a little short on lefties now) with Joey Wentz and Max Fried into the system. Plus Luke Jackson who was a gas can last year but definitely a worth use of innings for a rebuilding team to see if he can figure it out and be a good bullpen piece. I'm well aware of Acuna, but the risk factor in projecting a 19 year old who has never played above A ball is considerable I'd rather have prospects who are further along in their development, as Acuna won't be mlb ready until 2019/2020 best case

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) The packages I would have interest in: Yankees: Torres, Rutherford, Tate, Acevedo, Freicer Perez Astros: Tucker, Martes, Reed, Laureano Pirates: Meadows, Keller, Newman, Hearn Braves: Albies, Acuna, Wentz, Fried, Luke Jackson Pretty massive value differential between those packages That Braves package is far too light compared to the rest Pirates package is solid, of each that you proposed I feel this is close to a realistic deal Astros package is also solid, but I'd like to see Perez and/or Stubbs make it in there somehow to sweeten New York package is meh. I'd rather see Andujar as a third piece, followed by Tate/Acevedo

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) Baseball AmericaVerified account ‏@BaseballAmerica The @astros are reluctant to part with Francis Martes, knowing the righty could debut in 2017, @jakemkaplan writes. http://bba.am/Cmgzxy Houston can go f*** off That's laughable If Martes is off the table I'm not even answering the phone again if I am Rick Hahn Scraps are not landing Quintana...a king's random is

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) If they get either Meadows or Torres without it being what amounts to a 1-for-1 swap I'll be happy. If the deal doesn't include one of those two I want three top 100 (consensus, not snuck in at 97 on one list) with at least one, preferably the best, being a position player and a 4th lower level player added. I'm not getting too hung up on specific names, if a deal feels right I'll like it. Quintana is projected to be worth roughly $133 million in surplus value Torres or Meadows are, at best, worth roughly $72 million each in surplus value based on prospect valuation. That leaves over $60 million in additional surplus value to be accounted for in trade value...which means significantly more would have to be headed to the White Sox

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) My own feelings "My opinion on "fair" value from the suitors. NYY: Frazier, Andujar, Kaprellian. Torres deal: Torres, Rutherford, Adams, Kyle Holder HOU: Martes, Tucker, Stubbs, Ferrell PIT: Meadows, Hayes, Diaz Not sure if I'm way off base or not, but these make sense to me." NYY: Frazier, Andujar, Kaprellian (feels light for 4 seasons of Quintana...big drop off in value between Frazier and Andujar/Kaprellian) Torres deal is closer, but still light. Martes + Tucker is a start, but I don't think Stubbs or Ferrell are good enough to be a third piece in a deal. Pass Meadows + Hayes + Diaz is considerably light. Keller would have to be included

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) My opinion on "fair" value from the suitors. NYY: Frazier OR Torres, Rutherford, Andujar, and a low level (A+ or below) high upside pitcher. HOU: Martes, Tucker, Reed, Perez, and Stubbs OR Laureano PIT: Meadows, Newman, Keller, and Hayes Not sure if I'm way off base or not, but these make sense to me. You are not too far off base for what it would take to actually get a deal done The final Yankees piece would have to be one of Adams/Clarkin/Montgomery for a deal to make sense

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) The Rockies have some good young talent in their rotation. If Gray, Anderson, Chatwood and Bettis all improve this year, their rotation is actually probably ok. And this has been mentioned before in this thread, but Q is a curveball heavy pitcher. I think it's reasonable for the Rockies to be skeptical as to how that would play in Coors. He'd have to be fastball/change a LOT there. And with the prospect premium necessary to land him, given the extra risk, I think it's pretty reasonable for them to stay away on Q. What about the Rockies bullpen though? They were awful in 2016

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:36 AM) The Yankees are fools if they go into the season with their current rotation. It's Tanaka and a bunch of garbage. Tanaka isn't even a sure thing either. Ellsbury is regressing hard and still owed quite a bit of money. Sabathia comes off the books after this season. Quintana would slot in very well, but I think their plan is to punt somewhat on the 2017 season, go big in free agency the next two offseasons, and couple that with hopefully Torres, Frazier, Mateo, Andujar, etc. being ready to contribute by 2019 That being said, even the Yankees have payroll constraints and cannot totally rely on big free agent signings to build the pitching staff.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:36 AM) I don't blame the Rockies. A pitcher with Qs demand is a high risk for them. After reading about Hurdles tenure there from the book Big Data Baseball I got the impression that the FO had no idea how to make their pitchers more effective in Coors. Granted he was there a while ago but the book made it sound like that organization was just fed up having no answer for the thin air. Q wouldn't be effective in that park. He relies too much on his breaking pitches but what do I know. The Rockies really need starting pitching and bullpen help if they want a chance of contending against the Giants and Dodgers Q and/or Robertson/Jones would bring some much needed stability to the pitching staff

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) That's what that YES network guy said, I dont see a reason not to believe him. Sox have shown with the Sale and Eaton trades that by being patient they can get their guy. GM's are under huge pressure to win, especially if a team is in its "window". The Sox do not have to settle for a package less than they want. I'm very surprised that we have not heard of more interest from the Rockies. Quintana and/or Robertson/Jones would seem to be a great fit for them

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:17 AM) Do we know that Hahn is demanding both? I would guess one of the two as a headliner is good enough. I would certainly ask for a Torres + Frazier + Sheffield package for Quintana If they really cannot stomach that, then the lowest acceptable offer would be something like: Torres + Rutherford + Sheffield + Andujar

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:06 AM) Better? Yes. By far? No. Ok, perhaps not by far, but a considerably better prospect lets say? My point is if you had to pick one of Moncada/Torres/Frazier/Meadows to have in your system, which would it be? 9/10 GM's would definitely select Moncada, if not 10/10

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 09:37 AM) I think the Yankees are going to be in the hunt all year so I don't see this happening. The Yankees are in a strange place, sort of halfway between contending and rebuilding They will be rolling with quite a few unproven players in 2017 Sanchez will likely come back to earth after his crazy second half in 2016 Bird is a question mark Judge is a question mark Starting pitching could be decent, or completely implode I see the Yankees as a .500 team, maybe slightly above (83 wins sounds about right for them, missing the playoffs)

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 09:06 AM) I don't understand this stance. What is the Yankees gameplan? They just signed old Matt Holliday to a one-year deal to DH, and dumped $86 million into a closer. Why would a rebuilding team do that? Plus, the thing with the Yankees is they can essentially buy anyone they want at any time in FA. Encarnacion, Harper, Machado, McCutchen, Donaldson... they can have their pick of any of them when they become available. The one thing that almost never becomes available is a top starter like Quintana. Wouldn't it be worth it for them to pay in terms of prospects like Frazier/Torres for Quintana, then just dump money on whatever hitter they want when the time is right? That's what I was thinking. Unless the Yankees plan on buying pitching the next few seasons? Although paying top dollar for pitching ends up not working out more. Quintana is a very safe bet to be a well above average starting left handed pitcher over the next four seasons. If we can't get very close to Sale value for him then I say we keep him Moncada is a better prospect by far than any we are discussing, even Meadows/Frazier/Torres

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 08:16 AM) It does feel like a lot of buzzing without much concrete stuff. Likely we are looking at something along the lines of: Glasnow/Newman/Keller or Martes/Tucker/Paulino as the two offers on the table Sox are rejecting both of those. Neither the Pirates or Astros seem to want to include more at this time to beat the others offer, and both are a ways of from working out.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 08:07 AM) That's a good deal from the Pirates end though. The problem we have with that deal is it's so pitching heavy. Glasnow is a top 10 prospect in baseball. Newman is somewhere in 35-50 range. Keller is rising and will most likely be top 50. That's 3 top 50 guys for Q. That's a lot of s***. It's just not the package packed with position players that we are expecting. If they added KeBryan Hayes or another high upside type and possibly their Competitive Balance pick then that's a fair deal. Not sure I'd be super excited because of the lack of position players but Glasnow/Newman/Keller trumps anything the Astros can do. Glasnow/Newman/Keller is interesting, but we still need one more additional player along the lines of Hayes or Diaz to have the deal make sense for the White Sox. I don't feel like either the Astros or Pirates is close to getting a deal done from the rumors we have heard

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 01:08 AM) I didnt realize Meadows has had an injury history. Kind of makes me uncomfortable with the thought of little depth in a trade. Maybe I am overthinking this? I've been suggesting that Meadows injury history raises some doubt about his future. He is a very good prospect, but has not been the most durable guy out there.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 09:14 PM) Kyle Tucker, AJ Reed, Franklin Perez, and Jason Martin OR Tyler Glasnow, Josh Bell, Kevin Newman, and Yeudy Garcia? Seems like this is the neighborhood everything is breaking down to? Not sure which 1 I prefer honestly. I've been pretty firmly in the "have to trade Q now" camp, but if something like these 2 offers are what is best available I might honestly lean towards gambling on Q and trading him at the deadline. Worst case scenario it will be another few months for our scouts to see some of these guys a little longer at a higher level than last year. Houston isn't getting Quintana without giving up martes and Tucker. Reed and perez would be a great way to round out a deal. That pirates offer is solid, although most would prefer diaz to Garcia

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 09:04 PM) Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 1h1 hour ago On Yankees Hot Stove, Cashman said sticker price for Quintana is beyond what he'd pay. Hearing White Sox wanted at least 3 elite prospects Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 58m58 minutes ago In Quintana talks, no doubt White Sox began by asking for Gleyber Torres and Clint Frazier. Again, Cashman said sticker price was too high. Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 55m55 minutes ago While Cashman is still making calls on free agents to assess the market, he also said he's 99.9 percent sure the Yankees are set. I absolutely would ask for torres and frazier I'd be willing to bet the current offers are: martes, tucker, paulino Or Glasnow, newman plus Neither is close

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:53 PM) He only pitched 65 innings last year. It's going to take him at least 2 to build up the innings to be a full time starter. Kopech is easily 2+ years away from being mlb ready Right now he really needs to work on maturity, control and his secondary pitches. He has not pitched many minor league innings and still is pretty raw overall. He has quite a bit of ability, but he also might be the most likely to bust of our pitching prospects.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) By that logic, the Sox can't make a trade with the Astros either. Assuming Bregman isn't available, you get a package headlined by Martes and then Tucker. Tucker could be a star prospect, but he isn't there yet. It's basically Meadows or bust unless the Yankees or the Cubs get into the action... Ultimately, I think a Glasnow, Newman, Keller, Hayes deal would do it for me. Newman is a top 50 position prospect. Hayes probably isn't far outside the top 100, and you get two more premium arms back in the deal. While that is a solid return, not getting Meadows or Bell would sting a bit as I see them as the "Safest" prospects in the Pirates system. Bell is below average defensively, but nobody will questions that he can hit and get on base.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) If that is the scouting report, I don't know why anyone would trade a #1 or #2 starter signed for 4 years at a bargain for a package headlined by a guy who might be almost as good if everything goes right. It would be Glasnow +++ with significantly more coming to the White Sox