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QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) Yeah, a couple of them started at Torres + Frazier and said more would need to be added. Two seasons and a few months rental of Miller got the Yankees Frazier + Sheffield 3 months of Chapman got them Torres plus more 4 years of Quintana should absolutely get the White Sox Torres + Frazier ++

QUOTE (almagest @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) I was expecting proposals like "We'll give them Texiera and Headley for Quintana, Robertson and Frazier" but those are all actually sane. They seem to be thinking the same as us - they've got a ton of hitting prospects and we have the pitching they used to have need. I firmly believe that 4 cheap years of Quintana is equal to (possibly even greater than) the value of three seasons of Sale at the same dollar amount

QUOTE (onedude @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) I'd probably do Jones and DROB for Robles... We might have the worst bullpen of all time if we traded Jones and Robertson haha

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) Sale netted #1 and #30, so 2 top 50 isn't out of the question, Q is nearly as good as Sale if hype is ignored and production analyzed. So, fine, how about Torres, Frazier, Andujar, Montgomery? I would definitely take a Torres, Frazier, Andujar and Montgomery for Quintana Quintana's four years of control for $38 million make him a huge bargain I am reading a bunch of articles suggesting "Maybe Mateo + Kaprielian" or "Justus Sheffield" as a centerpiece should get it done and am laughing Judge frightens me. He strikes out far too often and I don't know how long his 6'7" , 275 lb body will hold up. Mateo is a good fielder and very fast, but I am not sure how his hit tool will hold up. Rutherford is very far away from the major leagues

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 01:11 PM) Fixed. Safe to say any of us would trade Robertson for Robles in less than a heartbeat straight up

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) Yes, 4 top 100 including 2 top 50 is an insane package. Per the bmags soxtalk-value-to-actual value formula, you take out the 2nd and 4th best player in that package and you are a lot closer to a trade. You start your request by asking for Torres, Frazier, Sheffield and Andujar Torres + Frazier is not crazy considering three seasons of Sale got the White Sox Moncada + Kopech as a centerpiece

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) The Morosi report seems like a White Sox leak. Perhaps, I don't see the Yankees offering up what it would take. The Chapman signing to big money is interesting though, because it suggests the front office is not keen to wait multiple years for a rebuild. Trading for Quintana would accelerate the process, but would cost many of their top prospects

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:53 AM) I dont' think it has to include Frazier. I could definitely make a package without him. I think it's Torres / Frazier + or a deal isn't happening I'm not huge on Mateo or Judge

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) Mateo stock is going down. Deal would have to include Torres and Frazier, which seems unlikely Torres + Frazier as a centerpiece would be a must. The deal would have to include at least one more (possibly 2) quality prospects as well I like Jordan Montgomery as a projectable left hander with good control

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) But Bruce Levine said we could get Robles. I laughed so hard when I saw that article

QUOTE (Fantl916 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:44 AM) sure, that makes sense. just seemed interesting that his name even came up. i'd assume most would rather have a solid prospect w years of control over pineda w 1 yr hoping a) coop fixes him and b) you then sign him to a longer deal at a reasonable price I would start my request with Frazier + Torres ++ and go from there

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) You don't spend the money they spent on Chapman if you aren't planning to contend. The Yankees' rotation is a mess. Whether they have the pieces to make a deal work depends on how they feel about Gregorious/Castro as their middle infield. If they think one of those guys is fine, then one of Torres/Mateo is expendable. Have to think they'd be open to moving Rutherford since he's a couple years away. So one of Torres/Mateo + Rutherford + is a workable framework. And all else being equal, that framework works way better than Martes + Tucker + for me. Torres , Rutherford ++ works for me

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:47 AM) Even if it is, maybe this leak will pressure Houston or even Colorado to give the Sox what they want. I'm hopeful. C'mon Rick Hahn. Their system is very heavy on position players, so it does make sense for them to look into a cost controlled arm like Quintana. Torres would be a nice centerpiece ++

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) But why? Unless the market for him just isn't there, I find it highly unlikely that Jones will ever be worth more than he is right now. The Sox need to take advantage of that. The market for bullpen help might be better at the deadline that it will be in the offseason. When a contender can sniff the playoffs, pen arms are always a hot commodity

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:41 AM) Hey a new rumor!!! Jon MorosiVerified account ‏@jonmorosi #Yankees interested in Jose Quintana, source says, and they have the sort of prospects #WhiteSox are looking for. @MLB @MLBNetwork link I can't see this being more than due diligence by the Yankees. They have an excellent farm system and it would be a big step backwards for them to pilfer it now and trade for Quintana. They certainly do have the prospects to put a deal together though

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) Do you think it's likely that Jones is moved this offseason? Like you said, they might as well move Jones now while his value is sky high and wait for DRob to get back to the way he was before last season and flip him to a desperate team next trade deadline. Jones would be able to bring a return similar to Tyler Thornburg I'd imagine?

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) I have to think that Q hasn't moved yet because there are still a lot of wins available via free agency. I'm guessing, if he goes, it's in January. The Astros won't bid against themselves for Q. The White Sox might have to be patient and let a market emerge for Quintana.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) Do you think it's likely that Jones is moved this offseason? Like you said, they might as well move Jones now while his value is sky high and wait for DRob to get back to the way he was before last season and flip him to a desperate team next trade deadline. Robertson will have more value at the deadline, especially if he has a strong season up until that point. Walks killed him last season, and if he can reduce his BB/9 rate he should be just fine.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 10:56 PM) https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/ryan-howa...-201321226.html Depending on the price, there's almost no risk...just like with Rollins/Latos last April/May. The only cost is potentially blocking at-bats for Davidson/Avi Garcia/Coats at the moment. Something like this is more likely than Morneau coming back to the Sox or paying even more for an Alvarez/Chris Carter/Valbuena, etc. KW always gets his man, etc. Hahaha this would be such a White Sox signing

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 09:37 AM) No chance Houston does that. If they were to cave and include Bregman, they're not going to include Bregman AND a bunch of top prospects like he's some sort of throw in. It would likely be an either/or scenario. Including Frazier doesn't really change that. If Houston would part with Bregman, Sox would be lucky to get one other top prospect along with him and a few lower level guys. That's basically the Sale deal. We're not going to top that for Q (and Frazier). We can forget about Bregman, he is not getting traded. End of story.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 03:54 PM) I think Steve was just being a wise guy, that's all. I really can't fault the guy since I make wise cracks too. It's a long winter for all Baseball fans my friend. Anyhoot. Glad to see a good guy like Shuck find a team. Shuck is pretty versatile so he should find some atbats with the twins in '17. I wish the guy well. By all accounts, he's a good dude. Definitely was not intended as a personal attack, was trying to be funny. Jb shuck is a AAAA player at best and exactly the kind of player that has no business taking the opportunity away from a younger, more talented player. Don't take so much offense man. We're all good

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) Lol, we really need some new rumors to emerge or at least some fresh ideas to speculate with. Anyone think the Blue Jays could get involved for Q? Toronto has some interesting position player prospects. Would be nice to see a power bat like Rowdy Tellez in the Sox farm system. Toronto would have to send the sox their best five prospects. They don't have the blue chip prospects that works interest the sox

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 12:08 PM) The cubs made crazy favorable trades to get Addison Russell and Jake Arrieta. They made much better Draft picks and got lucky that Bryant was there when they had a top pick. They basically stole Rizzo. There is no guarantee that this rebuilding plan will do anything but make the Sox stink for several years and come back somewhere near the middle of the pack. Trading Frazier, Robertson and Melky probably isn't going to net any players that will elevate the Sox to top contenders for a WS. Similarly, teams are not offering players that could be game changers in exchange for Quintana. So this rebuilding plan has a lot of pitfalls. It might be better to moderate the rebuild or half azz it as some say, in order to stay reasonable competitive. There is no guarantee that teh Sox get a top 3 pick in the Draft no matter how bad they are because there are several teams that are probably worse. And, as we have see, even when the Sox have a top 10 pick, they don't a;ways make the right decision. Don't half ass the rebuild. It will take at least three seasons, if not more but we will get there

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) If you're gonna be a sarcastic jagbag, why even bother to comment? Good riddance to shuck. Was joking, didn't know he ment that much to you

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/twin...p;post-id=80796 Huge loss. What a blow.