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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 09:04 AM) Chuck GarfienVerified account ‏@ChuckGarfien Just like with Sale, White Sox have great leverage with Quintana. Teams trying to win want/need pitching. Quintana is best prize left. Zero reason for the White Sox to settle for less on Quintana and lower the price. Eventually a team will meet our demands with pitching at such a high premium

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 10:49 PM) Melky & MiGo to the Mariners for Luiz Gohara & Brayan Hernandez Gonzalez quietly threw a pretty decent 135 innings for the White Sox in 2016 with a very respectable 3.71 FIP By no means is he a part of the future, right now he is penciled in for a rotation spot and him and Melky combined should be able to do a bit better than Gohara and Hernandez

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 11:45 PM) They just signed Ian Desmond for 5 years and are still talking about adding Trumbo or another 1B. I can't say if they'll move top prospects or not but it seems like they think they can compete. For me to accept a Rockies deal it would have to closely match the return of the sale deal Rodgers as a centerpiece, top ten prospect Plus either pint or Hoffman as a secondary piece I could see the sox requesting Murphy as the third player to finish off a deal Rodgers, Hoffman and Murphy would be a nice package

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 11:19 PM) Astros looking at Duffy per mlbtraderumors. One season of Duffy doesn't make much sense. Why give up prospects for a rental? The royals will want a solid return

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 08:38 PM) I would prefer Pint If the Sox asked for Martes/Tucker/Musgrove and are standing firm going by BA's midseason ranking and TPoP surplus value calculator the sox value Quintana at 97.8m now having said that prospect values and how the sox and other organizations view their value is more of an art and less of a science. A Rodgers/Pint/Tapia package depending on where you view Pint ranges from 99.1m to 112m, its similar if you replace Pint with German Marquez but on the lower end at 98.2. I find it hard to believe if the rockies are getting Q that they'll want to strip their major league ready arms like German/Hoffman/Freeland I don't see the Rockies being willing to part with major prospects for q. I could be wrong, and they do need pitching, but I'm not sure they feel close enough to go all in like that

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) I, for one, don't particularly love Tapia. I would much prefer McMahon or even Wall over Tapia. The package I really want from the Rockies is probably Rodgers/McMahon/Wall/intriguing arm. Tapia has no power, but hits for average and has speed. Good leadoff type guy

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 11:36 AM) The only thing I don't like about these two is that the White Sox took another chance on an athlete with a sketchy hit tool when they've had a difficult time developing those players. Basabe is pretty talented and his tools make him a good gamble for the white sox. He's more than just a throw in for sure

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 02:45 PM) I'm sure the reason this hasn't been done yet is because the White Sox are requiring at least Rodgers, one of Hoffman or Pint, and either Tapia or McMahon. Rockies are probably pushing a non-Rodgers package, and I bet it's more along the lines of Pint/Marquez/McMahon. I don't think Hahn will do it without Rodgers. Pint is way too far from the majors and too risky to centerpiece a Quintana deal. I could see a rodgers, tapia plus one more package making sense though

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) Hi Theo! I'd do happ, jimenez and candelario for Quintana. All of them are currently blocked

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 12:09 PM) Martes is the #5 RH pitching prospect in baseball. I really doubt that this happens. Sale and Quintana have very similar trade value, especially due to Q having the additional year of cheap control Martes is considered to be on a similar level to Kopech Since there is no marquee headliner like Moncada, the extra pieces of the deal both have to be very good like Tucker and Musgrove I think the firm request of Reed or Musgrove + Martes + Tucker gets a deal done

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:58 AM) That is alot of right handed pitchers in the minors. Not complaining but that would make the the top 10 pitchers in our minor leagues all right handers. You seriously can never have too much pitching. Pitching is also extremely expensive in free agency. Not all of our prospects will pan out, plus they can be used to trade for bats when the time is right Musgrove has the potential to be a very solid #3 or 4 starter with great control. He does pose some injury risk though. Clearly Bregman is not in the deal, but with that being the case the Astros can't be overly picky about prospects in order to get a deal done for Q I do think Musgrove might be who they do not want to give up in that package

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:48 AM) Luhnow is a prospect hoarder. I dont see a trade going down with the Astros. That is a really fair asking price I feel like. The Sox won't trade Quintana for less than that, and Houston can certainly afford to deal Musgove/Martes/Tucker in exchange for four years of prime Q Sidenote: We would have unrivaled prospect pitching depth in the mlb if that deal were to happen

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) I'd have a problem if they asked for less than that. Zero incentive to give away Q just to trade him. That is a fair asking price in my opinion. Quintana is a very valuable pitcher I would not accept less than Musgrove or Reed, Martes and Tucker for Q

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) Simply stating that if our rotation was made up of those 5, we could still make room for them as relievers since they all throw heat. They would remain in the mix for starting spots if one of the 5 gets hurt, moved or doesn't pan out. Mostly my point was that would would be loaded with quality arms if you add that group into the mix. Surely enough to assemble a rock solid 5-man rotation. Basically sums it up...yes Burdi is a reliever, but he'a a part of that core of great arms that will play into the mix. Many players have made the switch from reliever to starter--talent just falls into the right role sometimes. Having Quintana as a part of that group gives them the ace of aces (who will likely set the MLB record for career no-decisions by then if he hasn't already) that will serve as the vet leader. While Q would be nice to keep, we are seriously lacking in young position player talent and he could bring back a nice package for us They should tank BIG time in 2016 in perfect time to select Seth Beer 1st overall in the 2018 mlb draft and then we are in business. The guy can flat out rake: Year Team Lg Level # Org Pos Age Diff G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF GDP AVG OBP SLG OPS ISO secA Babip K/BB AB/HR TB PA 2016 Clemson ACC College 28 fr 19 62 203 57 75 13 0 18 70 1 0 62 27 15 0 4 6 .369 .535 .700 1235 .330 .640 .352 0.44 11.3 142 284 That was as a Freshman... Sign me up to tank for that kind of talent in the outfield

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:31 PM) Yeah, I get they are not moving him. As I said, I don't have a lot of interest anyway. I just can't see them having McCann serve as their primary C on a regular basis at this point in his career, which is why I included Stassi. I still think they end up moving Bregman around 2B/SS/3B/LF on a daily basis, it allows them to get their guys regular rest and him everyday AB's without much positional disruption. No place for Reed in the lineup, making him expendable in a trade for sure

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) I think they can stop now and get just as much if not more for their remaining trade assets in July. The groundwork has been laid with multiple teams so it really shouldn't take very much to get deals done once the teams can come together on the value of the prospects in the deal. At this point, I think it makes a lot more sense to hang on to Robertson through the first half to rebuild value after his knee surgery. His walk rate was up and HR's, but I feel that was because he was physically adjusting to his injury. I feel like he will be the premier late inning option available once Jansen is signed. I think Colome will be moved fairly shortly as the Rays want to move him at peak value. Melky is a professional hitter and will fill a gap for some team making a playoff run, Frazier is going to have value as teams identify their weaknesses as the season progresses. There are not many openings right now at 3B for contending teams, so as the season plays out his value will likely increase. Q's value doesn't change between now and July unless he absolutely is a wreck the first half. The likely top two starters on the market this summer will be Greinke and Q, so I think Q's value will make him the target more in demand. Abreu is the one piece that still could get moved over the winter. The Mariners, Astros, Rangers, Rockies, Pirates, Yankees, Blue Jays, and Orioles could all be in the market once Trumbo and EE are signed. Grienke's contract is so cost prohibitive that I don't think he gets traded unless Arizona eats a massive amount of that deal Let the Grienke deal serve as a warning to any team considering Arrieta / Cueto / any other big ticket free agent...buyer beware

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) I'm open to that but only after we see what happens after Jansen signs. I'd shop Jones now and see, but his value would be very high if he can repeat his performance from 2016 as closer in 2017

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) No. Gurriel is an eliter hitter and put up similar numbers to Bregman in a similar number of games despite never playing American professional baseball before. The Astros had Bregma in the fold when they decided to go out and get Gurriel as an upgrade at the position. No way Lunhow gets away with paying that guy $50M to sit on the bench. To me, its more likely that Bregman ends up in the Zobrist super utility role and plays a bunch of LF. Gurriel has potential, but Bregman is not going anywhere

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) That's adorable, guys. I'm calling a Martes/Tucker/Reed deal happening this offseason now. If you can get Stubbs on the back end even better. Houston is absolutely in win now and there is no pitcher on Quintana's level out there that will be traded. I think Gray and Archer stay put

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) Where are they going to play Bregman, especially if they bring in EE? C - Stassi/McCann 1B - EE/McCann 2B - Altuve SS - Correa 3B - Gurriel LF - Beltran/Aoki CF - Springer/Marisnik RF - Reddick DH - Gattis/EE/Beltran I get them wanting to hold on to him, but I am not sure where he is making an impact in that lineup. I am not a fan of getting Bregman, I feel he is being immensely overvalued for a SSS of production, I felt the same way about Turner. I would rather have quantity of quality rather than value wrapped up into fewer players. Bregman is way better than Gurriel and would start at 3B Gurriel goes to the bench

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:56 PM) I love Bregman, but if they weren't willing to budge on Sale for him, then Q ain't getting him either. Maybe on a one for one, but I'm not sure anybody wins that deal. I'd like to maybe wrestle Reed away from them - I'm just not sure we have anything left that matches up. They don't have a need for Frazier or Melky. Robertson is too expensive for them. Jones could make sense, but you can say that about every team. I hate to say it, but I'm not sure they matchup well with us when you take away Bregman from the deals. They certainly can match up, but they need to stop calling players like Martes and Tucker "untouchable".

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:21 PM) What about Robles if the Sox include Robertson plus Nate Jones, or pick up part of Robertson's remaining Contract. I guess I am trying to figure our how our Sox can get a decent position player prospect instead of Moncada plus a slough of pitching prospects. You know, desperation may be setting in for Rizzo since he whiffed on a few trades already. Robles is an elite prospect, you are not getting him for Jones or Robertson at this time

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:40 PM) Just a quick comp: Player A: 208 innings, 3.20 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 181 K's, Salary, Aprox 5M/yr Player B: 230 innings, 3.99 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 228 K's, Salary $30M/yr Player A is Q, and Player B is David Price. Now...my comp isn't to say that they are so similar--Price is more overpowering...but my point is to take a look at the cost to obtain a true ace of this caliber. The main numbers aren't THAT far apart. Most of Q's value comes in to play when teams can add a TOP of the line pitcher for minimal cost--then still have the $ to go buy a major FA. That's why I think Hahn should hold out on Bregman with Houston or for the top prospect for any other team. Getting Q at his current salary is like having a free David Price--then still being able to go out and buy ANOTHER David Price at market value. Trading for Q enables that 2-fold move--and for teams looking to win now, that's the type of move that puts your team over the top. Moves that put your team over the top these days cost you your top prospect. Kudos to Hahn for not settling--and I don't think he will on Q. With as many years left on his contract and as quiet as he is--Hahn could keep him at this value and have him for when our team is ready to make a run in 2-3 years. Quintana Giolito Rodon Lopez Kopech (Fulmer? Dunning? Burdi? Hensen? They seem to be relievers now, but sometimes that can change). Plus we can add a couple more TOP draft picks in there from what we're likely to have over the next couple of years). That's not a bad starting 5 as a "consequence" for not getting a Quintana deal done. That's almost worth Houston's best interest to break up now while they have the chance! Because if they don't--their window to win is slim--that is until this 5-some starts to come of age. The pressure is certainly more on Houston to get a deal done. They should trade for Q and have him locked up for years, then use their savings to sign Turner/Encarnicion to fill Bregman's spot--and they would still have $ left to add. Just my opinion. Houston won't and should not trade Bregman for Quintana or Sale Swapping him for Quintana helps your pitching, but equally hurts your offense as well I'm not 100% against keeping Quintana, but I feel like the best time to move him is right now with no other quality options on the market (Jason Hammel...yikes) Asking for Bregman is unrealistic, but Martes/Tucker/Reed is a package I could see Houston eventually caving on. Hell ask for Stubbs on the back end as well to round it out.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:30 PM) Why are you assuming that all 3 were ever in a deal though? We aren't going to get all 3 of Martes, Reed, and Tucker. The deal would have been made already. Given all of the pitching we've already received I'd be just fine with starting the deal at Tucker and Reed. The 3rd prospect would have to be pretty good though given neither Tucker or Reed are great headliners. David Paulino is a name that still seems expendable to them and would just be fun to add another power arm to the stable. Maybe not "95%", but I think Tucker, Reed, and Paulino isn't too far off from Moncada, Kopech, and Basabe. Obviously trying to recreate a headliner like Moncada is impossible and everything else will seem to fall short, but I really like Tucker. I think in 3-4 years he could be hitting .300 /.350/.450 with 15-20 hr's and 25-30 steals. His glove and athleticism are both good and as of right now he's still being projected in CF. Kyle Tucker, AJ Reed, David Paulino and Gilberto Celestino. I'd take that for Q. I know Reed isn't on many lists anymore but or all intents and purposes that's 3 top 75 prospects and a recent fairly large international signing. I don't like a: Tucker/Reed/Paulino/Celestino deal enough to move Quintana For all intents and purposes Quintana and Sale have nearly identical value given the 4th year of control How do we go from getting (2) top 30 prospects to now having Tucker be a centerpiece? Not enough value coming back to the Sox and Tucker is far from a sure bet Martes and Tucker would have to centerpiece a Q deal + a third piece along the lines of Reed/Fisher to round the deal out. Any less and I would not be motivated to trade him

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Check out Hahn's most recent quotes. He mentions that there will be some bumps in the road and pain as well as expecting to compete within the next 5 years. His rhetoric mixed with the recent moves leads me to believe they are going for an everything-must-go rebuild. 100% each of those players should and will be kept in the minors to gain an additional season of control This is a full rebuild, but it takes two (or more) teams to tango so to speak Trades happen because teams have to want the White Sox players and also be willing to give up certain talent. Right now we need to understand that it might take awhile for the market on Q, Robertson, Abreu, Jones, Melky, Frazier, etc. to come to them for a deal