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QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) Really? Robles grades as a 60 hit tool, where Basabe currently grades as a 45 hit tool...which is a big difference A 60 hit grade is certainly plus, a 45 grade is fringe average Robles has a significantly higher ceiling due to the plus hiot tool and lower strikeout rates. His speed is also a 70 grade, which is elite

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) I don't know. I think it's overblown. Moncada was in AA and got a september callup for a handful of at bats. You like Moncada because he has developed his power, but almost everything else Robles already has at a premium defensive position. Both have good plate discipline and walk rates. Robles OTOH doesn't strike out. Robles was a 19 year old in A+, Moncada was a 21 year old in AA. I'm fine with either. Depends on what surrounds them. If we can continue to find dynamite athletic players like Anderson and Robles with the rest of the rebuild we could end up with a Royals like team. The only real knock on Robles is that he has not developed much power, but defensively he has a 65 grade arm and projects as a 60 grade fielder which is outstanding. Center field defense is really important. Right now Robles ceiling appears to be a lack of power he projects as a .280 hitter with 10-15 home runs, great speed and excellent defense/arm. That can be a very exciting player...I'm thinking he is somewhat like Lorenzo Cain/Andrew McCutchen? Robles is the type of player that if he has a great season could move into the "untouchable" discussion.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) I think when you get into that level of players, it becomes a teams personal preference. This is where your scouts and developmental people have to take the lead. Nats: Giolito + Robles + Sox choice of Lopez or Fedde + Kieboom + Neuse or Stevenson Anything less and I don't think we should trade Sale. Giolito and Robles have alot of potential, but neither are close to being a sure thing. Sox can't deal Sale and miss on the return or they will set the franchise back a decade

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:59 AM) I think they are targeting the right types of players. I just hold a level of doubt about getting them to the majors. I know things have gotten better recently, but I keep asking myself the question is it because we are drafting better, or developing better. Apparently the White Sox were not close to trading Sale last night, but did mention that the Nationals were aggressive in their proposals

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:43 AM) Need to start thinking about frameworks instead of deals. Unlikely that is final package. But Top 5 prospect in baseball plus 100 mph arm plus 20 year old center fielder with good hit tool and OBP skills is a framework to pit against Nationals. I do care about framework Benintendi/Moncada would be great additions with upside Devers is really a must for me as a second piece I would consider a Benintendi / Devers / Kopech / Basabe package + maybe one more lower level prospect

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:43 AM) Need to start thinking about frameworks instead of deals. Unlikely that is final package. But Top 5 prospect in baseball plus 100 mph arm plus 20 year old center fielder with good hit tool and OBP skills is a framework to pit against Nationals. I do care about framework Benintendi/Moncada would be great additions with upside Devers is really a must for me as a second piece I would consider a Benintendi / Devers / Kopech / Basabe package + maybe one more lower level prospect

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:35 AM) Take it with a massive grain of salt but a guy on a football message board that broke the news of the Thornburg trade 18 hours before it happened is saying he has a source that says the Red Sox are making a push for Sale with Moncada/Kopech/Basabe. http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/view...144406#21144406 Moncada/Kopech/Basabe is way too light of a return for me To even consider the offer I would need Moncada or Benintendi + Devers + Groome + Kopech Anything less than 4 top 100 prospects would be a big failure on the part of the White Sox. Make a team pay dearly

QUOTE (Username @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:18 AM) Exactly. I know it's not a position player, but a valuable ML player like Ross would certainly elevate the Sale package well beyond the Miller package. Giolito/Robles is a decent start to a package, but much more would have to be coming to the White Sox I would insist on Reynaldo Lopez as the third piece. He has arguably had more minor league success than Giolito this past season, and I like how he is now trending upward in value. Then I require two more high upside pieces. Carter Kieboom gets included in the package, as well as either Neuse or Stevenson Anything less and I don't think the overall package will be worth it to the White Sox without Turner in it. Giolito is a prospect with upside, but one that is arguably declining. He is nowhere near the prospect that Urias is. I am not accepting Fedde over Lopez. Lopez is a significantly better prospect.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:15 AM) I don't disagree with you about Turner, I'm just saying I think Hahn and Co are holding out for Turner still. I think if the discussion was about the remaining prospects, and Giolito and Robles were agreed upon, they would have been hammering this thing out last night. The absence of rumors overnight suggests that did not happen. Not quite sure there is as big of a difference between Turner's perceived value and Benintendi's, but you certainly seem to feel as though Benintendi is a possible get while Turner is not. Is there really a huge difference between a package of Benintendi/Devers/Kopech and Turner/Giolito/Robles? I'd take the latter, but I think some here would choose the former. I would much rather have Turner/Giolito/Robles For all intents and purposes Benintendi and Turner are relatively close in prospect value. Robles and Devers are aty a similar stage of developemt and top 20 prospects. Robles is the #2 OF and Devers is the #1 3B prospect. I see a pretty significant gap between Giolito and Kopech though. Kopech has yet to throw more than 65 minor league innings yet. Giolito is very close to being mlb ready. I don't think he will ever be an ace, but he could be a #2 starter if developed properly.

QUOTE (Real @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:49 PM) if Hahn is okay with "untouchables" while negotiating to trade Sale, he's a complete and utter failure of a GM. I'll critique a trade once it is finalized, until then we really don't know.

QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:27 PM) I was just thinking that Tapia + Freeland seems like a pretty good package. Freelands lack of stikeouts concern me and limit him to a #4 at best starter in my opinion, more likely#5 or long relief

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 10:31 PM) They certainly do. Definitely can see them asking for him as a starting point. Hoffman has been too hittable so far in the minors. He needs to improve his command to be successful

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 10:06 PM) Interesting to say the least. I like Abreu and presume the market has undervalued him as a whole. Will be interesting to see what we could get. I say that in the perspective that I think the stat junkies underrate the value of his bat (i.e., I find him an underrated player via WAR). David dahl would be a great addition

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:49 PM) Rosenthal said they're negotiating the other pieces. Plural. I'll trust Rosenthal over Bowden. Lopez would be a great piece. Fedde has back of the rotation potential, kieboom would be an interesting young player to add, Ross is a possibility...

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:38 PM) Must be why it's not that close yet. Would imagine the rounding out is only getting discussed now. I would be pissed if the final piece is a low minor league player

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Probably profiles at best a platoon, defensive catcher. Any word as to what other pieces out of Ross, fedde, kieboom, lopez, severino, neuse, dunning, etc we are getting?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst 26s27 seconds ago Jayson Stark Retweeted Daryl Van Schouwen Surveyed several teams that are in on Sale this afternoon. They don't expect him to get moved at the meetings. The price hasn't dropped. Nor will the price drop If a team wants Sale they know what it is going to take Elite Aces do not grow on trees

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 04:44 PM) I hate to be that guy again, but do you have any nuggets on anyone else that we haven't heard about today (Frazier, Robertson, Jennings, etc.)? The Sale domino needs to fall or not fall before they make decisions on other pieces it looks like

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:20 PM) My guess is Ross, Severino, plus one of the position player prospects in the top 10. Not sure I love the deal, but I don't hate it. If Giolito were actually as elite of a prospect as his ranking then I highly doubt that he would be on the table in a trade. The fact that Giolito very much is on the table should be a big red flag about how the Nationals feel about him Years from now I can see us looking back on this and laughing about how "untouchable" Trea Turner is for Chris Sale. Odds are that Giolito and Robles never make an impact at the mlb level...prospects bust all the time

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) The point is a better measurement of who the White Sox would rather have at this point is what it appears these players will do moving forward, not what they've done in previous meaningless seasons. Let me be absolutely clear: I like Carlos; he was absolutely a good draft pick. He did take a nice step forward last year, and this despite poor pitch framing. I honestly expected more out of him last year though, to be frank. If I had to do it over again, would I do it differently? Yes, I'd take Turner. None of the foregoing means I don't like Carlos or that the choice was a bad one. At the time it would have been very difficult to not select Rodon and watch the Cubs select him right after you. He was the right pick at the time and still can prove to be a quality starter

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:09 PM) Morosi knows nothing. Honestly, I don't think Quintana is really on the block Sox are curious to see what they can get for Sale before exploring other options Honestly, if the offers do not get better than Giolito + Robles plus few more guys I say we keep him. I'm not willing to move a cost controlled ace for a less than stellar package

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:57 PM) I'm not sure I take that deal I don't think I take that deal either, too much risk for the White Sox Robles is a nice player, but still has a long way to go before sniffing the mlb. I can't see him being ready until mid 2018 at the earliest, more likely 2019. Giolito scares me. I just get this feeling that he will bust. Although young for each level, he never really has dominated like he should, and his showing at the mlb level this season was pretty bad. I've read several reports that the Nationals rank Lopez above Giolito as a prospect.

QUOTE (gosoxtim8 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) is this Giolito ready or he needs more time in the minors Giolito is close to mlb ready, although there are some red flags His velocity was down late in the season and he had command issues He is not a sure thing, and I worry that his physical size and stuff project to being an ace, but that the on field results won't ever reach it

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:51 PM) Yes please. really depends on what that "much more" ends up being? Giolito makes me nervous, and Robles has never played above A ball. A good season from Robles would move him up into a top 5 mlb prospect, but a bad season where he struggles would make this look ugly.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:43 PM) Wonder if we misdrafted in 2014 when we selected Carlos Rodon over the now seemingly untouchable Trea Turner, who we are told cannot be included in a trade for perennial Cy Young finalist Chris Sale. Last I looked, Sale >>>> Rodon, at least at this point in time. I don't think so. I really liked Turner as a prospect, but not at #3 overall at the time. Rodon is only 24 years old and has shown flashes of great ability. He may not have the ceiling of a #1 starter, but he could end up being a #2 or #3.