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QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) Eaton and Archer have the same amount of control and almost exactly the same amount of money due over that span. One was one of the most valuable players in baseball last season while the other had a down year. To suggest that Eaton will be traded for anything less than a franchise changing haul is ludicrous. The only way he moves is either because the FO does really want to get rid of him or they get a crazy, franchise changing offer. Eaton is a really good player, but I don't see him being dealt because of the huge cost it would take to land him. A great comparison to Eaton is Alex Gordon's value in 2012 at age 28. The cost to trade for him then would have been huge. Alex Gordon (up until 2016) and Adam Eaton are probably the most similar comps right now

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) I could see Eaton going to upper management and saying he wanted to be dealt if we decide to do a rebuild and trade Sale + others. Eaton has zero leverage as he is under team control for 5 more years. He can demand a trade all he wants but that would be ignored

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 01:20 PM) Agreed. I really, really hope they are entertaining trading Jones. If I had it my way (w/ only assuming on the potential returns obviously) I'd trade Sale, Frazier, Jones, Jennings and Melky. I think they'll trade Sale, Frazier, Jennings and Robertson. We still need to field a team next year, keep that in mind You might even be better off trading Sale now, and keeping guys like Robertson and Frazier to see if they have strong seasons and flip them at the deadline to a contender? The return for a Frazier rental if he has a strong season could be considerable

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) I would consider Eaton a core layer and not look to trade him. He is the kind of player that is difficult to replace because he brings multiple assets -speed, defense (including an accurate arm from Right field) , on base percentage. There are several players I would trade before him, including Melky and Abreu. Abreu ,might have value to a team like Boston as a DH / first baseman. i think the Sox could either replace him ot fill in with what they have. Zack Collins and Matt Davidson aare two in house options for DH and first base. It would be a huge waste to rush Collins to the mlb level and not give him a fair chance to stick at catcher. It's not like the Sox are contending in 2017 anyways I'm not in a rush to deal Abreu unless the return is big Frazier, Cabrera, Robertson are players I would look to deal first

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 12:54 PM) People actually think we are going to start winning trades left and right with this front office? I'm all for trading Sale because I think we'll get a no brainer deal but I'm not convinced we won't get fleeced trading our lesser players. I don't see Eaton getting traded What is wrong with keeping him? He is a good player and is not expensive. Unless overwhelmed, why would they try to deal him?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) Still has a lot of time to turn it around but you're probably right. If a guy is struggling with single A pitching, the jump to AA would eat him alive. I might be wrong, but this was Seattle recognizing that one more rough season and his value will be zero

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) I will say that the Sox settle on one monster headliner and upside for Sale and do this: Astros Receive: LHP Chris Sale White Sox Receive: INF Alex Bregman 1B/DH AJ Reed RHP David Paulino OF Preston Tucker OF Jason Martin Here are a few more: St. Louis Receives: Adam Eaton and Dan Jennings White Sox Receive: OF Harrison Bader 3B Paul DeJong RHP Jack Flaherty RHP Sandy Alcantara RHP Dakota Hudson Los Angeles Dodgers Receive: Todd Frazier and Zach Putnam White Sox Receive: 2B/DH Willie Calhoun RHP Jordan Sheffield Boston Red Sox Receive: RHP David Robertson White Sox Receive: C Blake Swihart Texas Rangers Receive: OF Melky Cabrera White Sox Receive: LHP Cole Ragans Keep Abreu, Nate Jones, Quintana, Gonzalez for now. I'm actually not a huge fan of any of these trades to be honest. Sale should return more than Bregman. Reeds' value is down after a rough 2016 at the mlb level. Paulino projects as a reliver, not starter. Preston Tucker and Martin are not great prospects. This would be a weak return Eaton is more valuable than Bader + Flaherty and decent pitching/hitting prospects. I'm not parting with a 28 year old all star for that deal. The Frazier deal is ok since he is a one year rental. Swihart has had a ton of injuries and his defense at catcher is not great. Robertson should return more, possibly at the deadline? Meh on the Melky deal

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 11:57 PM) If Boston: Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Kopech, Groome If Atlanta: Swanson, Inciarte, Albies, Newcomb, Blair If Yankees: Sanchez, Frazier, Torres, Andujar, Sheffield, Tate If Washington: Giolito, Turner, Robles, Lopez, Cole, Fedde If Dodgers (w/Puig): Urias, Puig, Bellinger, DeLeon, Alvarez If Dodgers (w/o Puig): Urias, Bellinger, DeLeon, Alvarez, Calhoun, Lux I know, "not realistic", but this is the type of return the White Sox need for Sale. I intentionally did not include Houston because my hope is they'll build a package around Bregman for Q. If all of these posts were on the table, I'd have a tough time choosing between BOS and NYY. Jesus those are gigantic packages haha. Sale is an amazing talent, but those packages are what would get a GM fired.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) Also - love that Alex Jackson deal even though it's small chance to workout. Not a bad buy low move for Atlanta on Jackson, but a player who is hitting around .200 in single A with a ton of strikeouts chances of sniffing the majors are hugely in doubt. I see this more as Seattle dumping Jackson for whatever value they can get before he isn't worth anything

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:58 AM) For me, the notion of a potential Eaton trade probably only happens if the rumor of a Puig acquisition from the Dodgers comes to fruition. Or at least the likelihood of the trade greatly increases. Puig's value is in the toilet right now. I laughed at the talk of him being a centerpiece in a Sale trade. I am not against a fire Sale (no pun intended), but would prefer to move pieces like Robertson, Cabrera, Frazier first before tading longer term assets

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) I'm not saying it's a game changer, but I think it's a great move for ATL. They are trying to land a big fish but aren't being complacent about acquiring the veteran starting depth that can be easily pushed out if their youngsters prove themselves. They have not come close to compromising their farm yet. Atlanta has a ton of pitching prospects as well. They can't all make the mlb roster, so you might as well start moving some of them to build the mlb club up.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:32 AM) Eaton should definitely be considered, as should everyone on the team. Because of his control, production, and consistency I wouldn't move him unless it was a really good package of players obviously. Basically, if someone wants to pay the price like Eaton is 5-6 WAR player that he was last year I'd do it just because I'm not sure he's going to be that guy by the time we are ready to seriously compete. Eaton has been pretty consistent the past three seasons, averaging a 5.1 WAR. That sort of player is very valuable on the trade market, almost prohibitively so.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) That would have been a top 15 era in the NL last year. Perhaps you prefer Andrew Cashners 5 ERAs which still netted him 11 million. They got Garcia for nothing, and are still playing in NL east. Not exactly murderers row outside of Nationals. They are buying low on Garcia and did not give up much. Pretty low risk deal, but he was pretty awful last season. He gave up way more home runs than at any point in his career, which is concerning. I don't see Atlanta being ready to take the plunge in a Sale deal. With Swanson off the table, I'm not sure Albies and Newcomb are attractive enough as centerpieces to be the offer that comes out on top.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) I don't think Eaton relies on speed that much. He's really just a good contact hitter with a great arm. Sure, his speed affects him on defense, but the marginal speed decrease that will come as he ages won't affect it that much. Even if he was some big base-stealer or speed guy, plenty of those guys still play well with age. Take Juan Pierre, for example. Eaton would cost a ton in a trade. 5 years of control for a gold glove outfielder who hits, gets on base, can run and has 15 home run pop. Unless overwhelmed I would not trade him

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 04:46 PM) <!--quoteo(post=3452719:date=Dec 1, 2016 -> 04:42 PM:name=steveno89)-->QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 04:42 PM) <!--quotec-->Eaton is a proven all star at the mlb level. Regardless of Robles' ceiling, he is still 19 and there is a ton of time for him to end up as a bust. I like him as a prospect, but Eaton is not going anywhere as he is under long term control The Sox should heavily consider moving Eaton while his value is sky high. A speed/contact guy is not going to age well into his 30s - and he's already 28. It takes two to tango. If I am the White Sox I dangle the entire roster and see what bites, but teams realistically know the cost for Eaton would be huge with him being under control for so long

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 04:44 PM) Cardinals too are said to be looking for a CF and leadoff hitter. Eaton is the perfect fit for them. Go get Alex Reyes ++ St louis needs Reyes more than they need Eaton in my opinion. Their farm system does not have much in terms of pitching after him

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 04:27 PM) Wow, that is some surprising news. Espinosa is probably a 2 WAR player, easily worth the $5.3M he would be owed. I mean, that's about the same as Lawrie, and Lawrie is a worse player, who is hurt more often, and plays a BAD 2B, versus a great SS. That's pretty stunning that they don't feel they could tender him and then trade him for a decent piece back. Espinoza is a low obp player He could be worth $5.3 mil on a one year deal for some team though

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 02:30 PM) I would be on the phone with the Nationals regarding Eaton. If Robles was the headliner plus more I would jump all over it. Robles is one the highest ceiling players in all of minors. He's 2 years away, but love all 5 tools. If Pirates can get Robles plus more for a declining McCutchen . Eaton's value is never going to be higher. I would be on the phone with Rizzo. Eaton is a proven all star at the mlb level. Regardless of Robles' ceiling, he is still 19 and there is a ton of time for him to end up as a bust. I like him as a prospect, but Eaton is not going anywhere as he is under long term control

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) I wonder how Odor's arm is. He definitely has enough power for 3B. Odor is a below average fielder at 2B...I do not have confidence in him playing 3B defensively. I do not regard Odor as highly as most because he rarely walks which leads to poor on base percentages Without quality defense, I don't see Odor consistently getting on base enough to justify trading for

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 12:01 PM) Doesn't sound like Giolito is in play here. If Washington deals Robles, consider them out of the running for Sale unless they are willing to trade Turner...which I doubt.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 30, 2016 -> 11:47 PM) If Avi sticks around he'll most likely get most ABs at DH anyway - depending if we get a guy like AJ Reed/keep Abreu or not. Avi sucks. He's a 4th outfielder at best and has below average defense. Strikes out at a high rate, I would have no issue cutting Avi loose. We have seen enough

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 12:33 AM) That's the problem with the Rangers' deal. They don't want to give up Odor because they need him for 2017, and Profar has fewer years of control as well. Then you run into the fact that they can't easily afford to part with Mazara, either. Too many pieces off the major league team, and not enough enticing minor league prospects at the lower levels. Trading for Gallo is the equivalent of the LaPorta/Sabathia deal way back in the day. They not only need hitting, but players who can hit and field their position at an above average level simultaneously. Gallo's value is in the toilet right now, the Rangers should have sold high when they had the chance. Looking at his minor league stats he murdered the ball at low and AA, but once he got to AAA he could not consistently hit at all. His 17 game mlb showing this year ended up with a .040 batting average and completely tanked his value. I don't see Texas having enough to offer in a Sale deal to entice the White Sox. Mazara is a below average defender and graded out a replacement level this season with a 0.4 WAR...not exactly a future star. Odor's below average defense resulted in only a 2.4 WAR season...not earth shattering as well. I see better packages coming from elsewhere

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 30, 2016 -> 04:44 PM) From #whitesox GM Rick Hahn: https://t.co/uh3lmj2mTD https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/804092468778192909 There are so many teams in on Sale that I cannot see the Cubs being the team that emerges with the best overall package given the long term ramifications. If the Cubs want Sale, they can have him...but they must be the highest bidder in a costly market

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 29, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) I might expect a little more than that, TBH. Besides the sexy name and dominating stuff, Q is arguably as valuable as Sale - with an extra year of control to boot. Plus you're adding in a year Frazier. Perhaps, but I see la being more willing to deal prospects than harming their mlb roster. Frazier should net one top 100 prospect plus one more prospect, even on a one year rental

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Nov 29, 2016 -> 04:30 PM) I think it's a bit childish and immature to outright reject dealing with the Cubs. I would treat them as any other team and evaluate their offer as I would other offers. If they were willing to start with Baez and Schwarber, we can begin negotiations and set up an offer and cross-check it with other teams. Any logical person would do this and not worry about some sorry rivalry. The cubs window to win is the next few seasons as they have cost controlled talent, as well as one more season of arrieta and Lester still in his prime. Rivalry aside, the cubs absolutely should be contacting the white sox about sale as an insurance policy for arrieta leaving in free agency. I would certainly be interested in what they could offer.