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QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) While the #Braves still would love to land Chris Sale, I still can't see them parting with the bounty of prospects it'll take to get him. https://twitter.com/DOBrienAJC/status/800779328439123968 Agreed. The Braves have a promising future in a few years, but they are not close enough right now to go all in and trade for Sale I see the Yankees as being a strong potential destination. They really could use the starting pitching and they have the farm system able to get a deal done

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) While the #Braves still would love to land Chris Sale, I still can't see them parting with the bounty of prospects it'll take to get him. https://twitter.com/DOBrienAJC/status/800779328439123968 Agreed. The Braves have a promising future in a few years, but they are not close enough right now to go all in and trade for Sale I see the Yankees as being a strong potential destination. They really could use the starting pitching and they have the farm system able to get a deal done

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 11:09 AM) Yeah, I agree. I don't really see a fit. Teams who are close or relatively close to contending that may have interest in Sale: Yankees, Mets, Cubs, Giants, Dodgers, Astros, Mariners, Rangers, Blue Jays, Cardinals, Nationals, Red Sox, Orioles (Sox won't trade Sale to the AL central) Mets could be interesting, although I don't know if they have the quality minor league arms to get a deal done Yankees have the farm system to swing a deal I don't thin the Rangers have enough even if they do include Mazara. Gallo's value is down and I feel Profar is very overrated Giants do not have the farm system to get it done Unlikely that Sale is dealt to the Cubs Astros should be in the mix Mariners likely do not have enough to entice the Sox Blue Jays are a possibility, but I don't love their farm Cardinals do not likely have enough in the farm, plus the Sox should be looking for elite postion player prospects Red Sox should be in the picture Orioles do not have the farm system Nationals do have what it takes, but I am not as high on Giolito as most are. He really has not dominated like the #1 pitching prospect in baseball should. I do like Turner and Robles. Mystery teams could emerge of course as well

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 10:01 AM) I'd imagine that Atlanta feels it would be pointless to move Inciarte/Swanson in a Sale deal (since they are MLB pieces), so I'd think the highest assets available would be Maitan/Albies. Then the White Sox likely move on from the Braves Maitan, while a good looking player, is too risky for the Sox to have as a main piece coming back to them as he is years away from contributing...if ever I like Albies, but far more would have to be coming back to the Sox

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 09:10 AM) Translation: They just heard what teams want for pitchers like Archer, Gray, and Sale. Atlanta is not close enough to being competitive in my opinion to justify taking the Sale plunge Sale's value is extremely high considering what pitchers like Andrew Miller, Aroldis Chapman (rental) and Shelby Miller were dealt for Andrew Miller netted Frazier #15 overall, Sheffield #78 overall and two low minors pitchers that were both having strong seasons (decent lottery tickets) Chapman rental netted Torres #17 overall, Adam Warren a serviceable bullpen arm, Mckinney a former top 100 prospect and decent organizational depth guy, and crawford a low minors lottery ticket Shelby Miller netted Dansby Swanson #4 overall now (#17 at time of the trade), Inciarte a quality mlb center fielder and Blair who has decent potential as a back end rotation arm who was ranked #40 overall prospect at the time of the trade The return for Sale should be significantly more than any of these deals Considering the above, I would suggest that Sale's value (relatively speaking) should fall in the category of: 1) One very solid mlb starting caliber pitcher/position player or top #50 mlb prospect (White Sox choice) 2) Two top #50 mlb prospects, one of which must be a top #25 prospect 3) One more #50 - 100 prospect 4) One more lottery ticket Given this...a Braves offer could look something like: Swanson, Albies, Newcomb, Allard/Anderson/Maitan/Soroka/Wentz plus one lower level lottery ticket Or Inciarte, Albies, Newcomb, Allard/Anderson,Maitan/Soroka/Wentz plus one lower level lottery ticket I am not suggesting that Atlanta would be willing to part with that...but that is the market value in light of other deals

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) You *SHOULD* be gutting your farm system to add a Chris Sale. You have a top of the rotation starter under control for 3 years. You're making a move to win those 3 years. You will have 3 years of drafts and signings to restock that system. Should is different than reality though I'm I'm Houston, I am very interested in Sale...but trading Bregman, Martes, Tucker plus two more high quality prospects is just too high of a price to stomach Chris Sale has a ton of value, but getting a team to part with 5 of their 10 top prospects is a painful pill to swallow An offer of Bregman, Tucker, Martes and Moran alone would be a very compelling one for the White Sox to consider

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) True - Traditionally pitching prospects have more projected value compared to hitters. Alright, you've got a deal. Chris Sale for Bregman, Martes, Tucker, Moran, and Whitley. Boom. Call up the commish. -RH I don't see Houston ever being willing to part with that much talent to trade for Sale Bregman, Martes and Tucker alone is a huge return...Moran and Whitley being added would completely gut the farm system for years

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 01:00 PM) Agreed. I'm trying to be realistic and read about these prospects and be objective through this "fun exercise." That deal trumps the LAD deal IMO. If the White Sox were offered Bregman, Martes, Tucker, Moran and Reed I would be floored That would be crippling for Houston to offer and a no brainer for the White Sox to accept and not look back

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) Got an offer that's more attractive from another team - not interested even with Feede in. Willing to talk Quintana for a Giolito / Robles based package thou. Quintana is great, but I'm not willing to give up both Giolito and Robles for him I would offer Giolito or Robles plus Fedde or Dunning Plus pick two outside our organizational top 10

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 12:04 PM) Gotta include Feede, Gutierrez, and Stevenson as well. Those last two are low level lottery tickets and don't mean much to you. Ross, Giolito, Robles, Feede, Gutierrez, and Stevenson for Sale. -Rick Rock, You're asking for way too much. Ross, Giolito and Robles gives you a young starting pitcher, one of the best pitching prospects in baseball, and a top ten prospect in Robles who has a huge ceiling Nothing more needs to be added -Rizzo

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 11:23 AM) Some proven major league talent for Q as well. Price just went up. Dodgers offered an insane package just now. There's nothing on the free agent market and you need another front line starter to go all the way. We have no real need to sell either of our aces. -Rick I can offer a package of Joe Ross, Lucas Giolito and Victor Robles for Chris Sale That is a huge return -Rizzo

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) Gotta have Turner for Sale. Willing to listen on a Giolito based package for Quintana. Waiting on Fieldman for a Segar based package for Sale. NaNaNaNa-hey hey hey... goodbye. -Rick Hahn Rick, I can build a compelling package based around Giolito and Robles as a starting point. Both are top 10 prospects in the game If that doesn't wet your whistle I'm not sure what more you're looking for -Rizzo

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 11:09 AM) Gotta include Turner for Sale. We can listen on Q without him but you've gotta put together a lot of value for him otherwise. Dodgers are considering Seager based package for Sale... so Turner isn't an unreasonable starting point. We've told all teams this year we want proven major league talent and at least 5 total top end players for Sale. Quintana holds similar value but potentially we may find ourselves with more of an ability to move on him. With that said, and more along the lines with our long term value projections, there may be an interest in all our assets that warrants your serious consideration. Excuse me, wife said the toilet is plugged again. -Rick Hahn Rick, Can't deal Turner, especially after the numbers he put up in just 73 games this year We are willing to put Giolito on the table as a centerpiece though. -Rizzo

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) Dodgers and GM Friedman are interested in Sale, Frazier, and Jones..... Rick, I'm interested in that Sale guy, or possibly Quintana Turner is off the table, but I'm open to discussing minor league players in a swap -Rizzo

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 10:19 AM) Dont see any way the jays get that deal done with prospects alone. You'd need to probably start around Travis. Travis and Stroman would start the package coming back to the Sox, plus another prospect or two Eaton is a gold glove, all start right fielder with plenty of control left While not untouchable at all, he would be very expensive to trade for

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) Not sure why Toronto would empty their already mediocre system for a guy like Eaton when they could just sign Fowler and give up 1 pick. Fowler would seem to make more sense for them than Eaton, although it depends on his contract demands

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) If the Braves won't offer Swanson, I doubt they can acquire Sale without a 3rd team. I would insist on Swanson being in the package plus alot more Swanson, Albies, Newcomb, Allard or Maitan plus one more lower level prospect starts to get close The offers being floated around of seven guys for Sale aren't realistic. Sox will be looking for 4-5 players with 3-4 of those players being elite prospects

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) Mike, We won the World Series. We aren't giving Jake Arrieta a 7 year deal because of the contracts we are going to sign in the future. We have enough offense and I think we have the prospects to acquire another pitcher on the level of Arrieta with some of those pieces. And we just won the world series, and our fans will get over trading Jake Arrieta. Jed, I get not resigning Arrieta I'll offer you Erick Fedde, Dane Dunning and Austin Voth for Arrieta

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) I looked at their top 30, and it wasn't overwhelming. However, they might have the pieces. Does anyone know if McGuire could be a legitimate catcher in the majors? Eaton was a 6.2 WAR Gold Glove Right Fielder who gets on base and is under team control through 2020 The return would have to be overwhelming for me to move him They have some interesting players in their system, but many are considerably far away from being in the majors

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 09:37 AM) I have a strong Braves offer for Arrieta. Any other takers? You get 1 year of one of the best starters in baseball and you also get a 1st round draft pick if he leave snext season. The Cubs are absolutely in win now mode Jed, why would you ship out one of your top starters for two players that are years away from cracking a major league roster??? That leaves you needing to replace two quality starting pitchers -Rizzo

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/799634740630474756 Not sure Toronto has the farm system to get the Sox interested enough to deal Eaton. His value is extremely high right now and he is on a cheap contract.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 09:27 AM) Hi Jed, John Coppolella here. It's no secret that Arrieta only has one year of control left. Therefore, I'll give you Ian Anderson and Joey Wentz. How would that make sense for the Braves John? Arrieta is a one year rental and you should be looking for assets under longer term control than one year with your rebuilding team -Rizzo

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 09:24 AM) As Jed Hoyer: I'm looking for young cost-controlled starting pitching. I'm looking to trade Jake Arrieta. Make me some offers. Jed, A one year Arrieta rental would net you a decent return, but nothing earth shattering Keep drinking champagne, you broke the curse. Congrats -Rizzo

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 11:57 PM) If Boston: Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Kopech, Groome If Atlanta: Swanson, Inciarte, Albies, Newcomb, Blair If Yankees: Sanchez, Frazier, Torres, Andujar, Sheffield, Tate If Washington: Giolito, Turner, Robles, Lopez, Cole, Fedde If Dodgers (w/Puig): Urias, Puig, Bellinger, DeLeon, Alvarez If Dodgers (w/o Puig): Urias, Bellinger, DeLeon, Alvarez, Calhoun, Lux I know, "not realistic", but this is the type of return the White Sox need for Sale. I intentionally did not include Houston because my hope is they'll build a package around Bregman for Q. If all of these posts were on the table, I'd have a tough time choosing between BOS and NYY. Pretty sure Rizzo gets fired if he traded Giolito, Turner, Robles, Lopez and Fedde for any MLB player

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 07:39 AM) I would like to be Katsuhiro Nakamura, the general manager of the Hanshin Tigers. Rumors are swirling in Japan that Rick Hahn has approached the Tigers about a potential trade for Chris Sale.......................... I'll take Rizzo