steveno89

There is arguably more risk than reward in extending Crochet 2 1/2 seasons away from free agency though Sox are not going to be competitive in the near term, so as great as Crochet has looked it may make sense to cash him in for young, cost controlled talent and build for the future.

I get what you are saying, but the Astros have objectively a bottom five garm system in the MLB. I doubt they would be able to beat what other clubs would offer in a Fedde trade, but I could be wrong if the Sox really like certain prospect(s).

Fedde's $7.5 million salary for next season vs Eflin's $18 million is a substantial difference to many clubs The money alone makes him worth more on such a reasonable deal the rest of this season and next

We are currently looking at Orioles, Guardians, Mariners, Phillies, Brewers, Dodgers , Yankees, Twins, Astros, Braves, Cardinals, Padres as potential deadline buyers

Something like this is exactly the type of return the White Sox should be looking for for Fedde A young position player and young pitcher, both with upside.

Perhaps, but the track record is still really short Sox should approach him about an extension and if the ask is reasonable a deal should get done

I actually doubt there is another club willing to part with anywhere near that much considering his injury history^ I am actrually on board with trading Robert Jr, Crochet, Fedde, Pham, DeJong, Kopech, Etc. as I think they need to blow this up and totally rebuild with a clean slate.

The glass half full fan in me wants to vote "B", but experience tells me this is a C grade trade for the Sox Does it have potential to work out if Thorpe/Iriarte/Zavala pan out? Of course, but I am not sure how likely that is with the White Sox Thorpe dominated lower minor league hitters as a polished college right hander with a plus-plus changeup, but the 90-93 MPH fastball may not threaten MLB hitters enough. I also do not love his upright delivery, similar to Rodon, that may lead to shoulder and/or elbow issues down the line. He profiles as a #4, but with more ceiling if he can somehow find 94-96 MPH fastball velocity. Iriarte is the guy to dream on, with a potential three plus pitch mix. The control and command would need to take a full grade forward for him to stick as a starter. He reminds me of Reynaldo Lopez, with a bit less velocity. I pray for a starter, but far more likely he winds up in the bullpen. Zavala could be the prize of this trade, although he is quite a ways away from the majors. Impressive numbers at age 18/19 in low A, but will need to see him hit at the high A level before having an idea of what he could become. Dream of a MLB regular, but who knows? This is a serviceable package, although fans surely were hoping for at least one truly premium prospect in return for Cease. Getz could not risk carrying him into the regular season, where an injury or poor performance could sink his value.

I like Porter a lot. Talented arm, but there is considerable reliever risk with him as well.

I doubt the Mariners would consider trading him, but Colt Emerson would absolutely be who I would target in a trade. He could break out in a big way in 2024.

Mayo would be a tremendous get as headliner from the Orioles. Big Pop and arm. Should be able to play passable third base, or possibly RF.

That simply is not close to getting a deal done

Nick Madrigal does absolutely nothing for the White Sox moving forward and has little, if any, trade value. Hard pass.

None of those packages would get a Cease deal done^

Although ATL makes sense as a suitor, I do not see them being the trade destination at the end of the day unless the Sox are hell bent on adding pitching Cincinnati, Cubs, Red Sox, Dodgers, Giants, Braves, Cardinals, Orioles, Phillies, Twins, Blue Jays, Yankees could all make degrees of sense

100%. Screw the Orioles unless we are getting two of Mayo/Cowser/Kerjstad/Basallo plus more I see too many posts by fans suggesting what I consider to be really light return packages for Cease Although it makes sense to deal him, the Sox can refuse to trade him unless they get exactly what they want in return. I rightfully want a king's ransom. Why should we be considering less than the Luis Castillo trade when Cease has two full seasons of control?

I was thinking the same thing. What if it ends up being a surprise club that steps up with an offer after lurking for awhile? Although unlikely, the Twins could be a potential sleeper suitor? They have the prospects to get a deal done. Yankees? Rangers? Phillies? Blue Jays? Mets? Cardinals? Astros do not have the farm to get a deal done

Glasnow is electric when healthy, but a five year deal seems extremely risky for him on the wrong side of 30 Nice when you have a huge budget

I would not accept that offer from Boston either It is not realistic for Robert and Cease to be dealt in the same trade, I am not sure there is a farm in the MLB that would A) Have what the Sox would want and B) Be willing to absolutely gut their farm You essentially have to keep Robert for another season or two, no chance you could get fair value in return for four years of prime control.

I also agree that the Baseball trade values website is low on Cease's surplus value in this environment. Often it greatly overestimates how valuable a prospect is vs. a proven MLB talent. So many prospects bust and deliver little, if any, value. Short of injury, you largely know that Cease will give you really solid 30+ starts for two seasons with #1/2 starter upside. When Seth Lugo ate age 34 is getting 3/$45 million, Cease's age 28 and 29 seasons for 2/$25 million plus potential qualifying offer compensation is a steal Yamamoto/Snell/Montgomery are all going to cash in on massive deals I laugh when I see Orioles fans thinking Joey Ortiz and Cade Povich can headline a deal

Yordanny Monegro RHP would be a must for me as a third or fourth piece in a Case to Boston deal He is coming off a terrific season Him and Perales are the best arms in the Red sox system

Would love to see SD and BOS involved in the Cease bidding Either could create a nice package

Yamamoto, Snell and Montgomery are highly likely to get enormous contracts in this market Even the second and third tier of free agent SP is going to get paid handsomely Sox just need to continue to be patient and let the dominos fall If I am a club trying to win the World Series, Cease is extremely appealing for such reasonable money that allows us to spend elsewhere

I really think a few of Yamamoto, Snell and Montgomery need to sign before we see the Cease market really heat up

This rings really true^ Seth Lugo entering his age 34 season parlayed a solid 2023 into a 3/$45 million deal Cease's age 28 and 29 seasons are available for essentially 2/$25 million, a massive bargain compared to what other free agents will end up costing in terms of money, years and draft picks/pool money He is a player a club could trade for and still retain financial flexibility to go out and make more moves vs. one year of Glasnow at $25 million Yamamoto, Snell, Imanaga, Stroman, Montgomery are out there, but each will require major or substantial commitments. Giolito, Wacha, Flaherty, Yariel Rodriguez, Clevinger, Lorenzen, Manaea, Mahle, Montas, Severino, etc. are still out there too Such depth is holding up the trade market for sure