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Tigers have actually done what they could to shed big contracts and gain prospect depth. They didn't have the assets the Sox had to jump start the rebuild, but they are in better shape than the Royals and Orioles I'd say.

It's natural for fans to vent a bit when the on field product is garbage. This is all very much expected though. 2018 was always going to be a painful rebuilding year, and 2019 might be as well.

The Royals and Orioles are in much much worse shape than the White Sox are. The Royals at least have a ton of draft picks this season to help aid their rebuild, but zero impact talent in their farm as of right now. The Orioles might be in the worst shape of any mlb team, as Machado is going to bolt in free agency and the Yankees and Red Sox look stacked moving forward. Both franchises are headed for a rough 5 years

The lack of information on Hansen reminds us all of Rodon. I get wanting to be careful with a top prospect, but no information in this case is scary.

It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that this team is struggling big time right now. Hahn said this season could easily be the most painful of the rebuild, and we basically did nothing to improve the mlb roster in the offseason (by design). We should be headed to another top 5 overall draft pick, and I don't necessarily view that as a bad thing. Our rotation is a disaster right now, but we need to stay the course until younger arms prove themselves ready.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 12:11 PM) Why would Hansen working out with Rodon be a bad thing? Hell, if they were rehabbing together, I think that would be wonderful. Who better to mentor Hansen than a professional pitcher with a ceiling like that? If Hansen is not throwing minor league innings by June 1st I would be concerned. As of right now we all can be patient.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 11:02 PM) Always better to wait at least 54-60 games to make ANY early assessments (Hawkism). Except for Engel, perhaps...and Gonzalez might need to switch with Santiago/Volstad or be released outright if he keeps this up. That said, they probably don't want to throw Danish, Beck, Volstad or Guerrero/Stephens into the starting mix just yet. Agreed, have to give the season 60 games before we will have a grasp on performance. That being said, Gonzalez looked awful last night.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Apr 18, 2018 -> 06:39 AM) Last evening's game is the biggest example of the upside of Moncada. 2-3, HR, 2B, BB, SB. If we get to see that guy more and more as the season goes on, we'll all look back at this thread and laugh. Moncada just needs to continue getting reps against major league pitching before he figures it all out. Once he gains a better understanding of what pitchers are going to do against him the success will come. His current hit tool is a 30/40 grade, but scouts really feel it will be 60 grade with time.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 08:30 AM) Or maybe it's a reminder that development isn't always linear. Would it be out of the question to consider sending Moncada down to AAA for a bit?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 15, 2018 -> 03:57 PM) I just don’t see a need to be aggressive with Adolfo. Booker & Call are 24 & 23 respectively and will likely be pushed ahead of Micker no matter the results. And while Basabe is also 21 like Micker, he’s also spent quite a bit of time in High A and should also be prioritized in terms of promotion. I think best case scenario for Adolfo is getting a brief stint with Birmingham to end the season and that’s assuming he does not require surgery. I agree with this plan for Adolfo. He still has to continue to prove his improvement at the plate before I would even think about promoting him above high A ball.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 08:25 AM) Im all for drafting Madrigal. Above average to plus tools pretty much across the board. I want a guy I know is going to hit at the next level and I have the least doubts about him. His small size shouldn't deter teams from selecting him in the top 10. His bat and plate discipline are for real, as is his speed.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 11:33 AM) http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/...-in-cooperstown This article on ESPN today gives no mention of Jose Abreu. Yes, yes - I know - it's ESPN, and they love ignoring the White Sox at every turn. I also know that Abreu started old, and has borderline numbers with an expected dropoff as he gets older. Nevertheless, I think this is an interesting question - if Jose has 6 more years identical to the average of the previous 4, how borderline is he then? I don't think that's necessary unrealistic. An .882 OPS puts him in the top 100 all time in that category, and he'd have 300 homers, 350 doubles and a .300 batting average with 1000 RBIs. Would he be close? Or just in the hall of "very good"? Abreu will not come close to sniffing the hall of fame due to his late arrival. Non discussion really even if he puts up another great 6-8 seasons.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Apr 11, 2018 -> 09:18 AM) The bullpen sucks. Agreed, this bullpen is hot garbage right now. Fortunately, we do have a slew of interesting arms in the minors right now who should be ready to contribute soon. We still will need to add some veteran bullpen help in the offseason.

QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 07:32 AM) Noticed they have Bohm listed as a 1B. Drafting a Bohm in the top five seems like it would be a mistake. He's likely a 1B only player being 6'5" and 240 lbs, which forces the bat to play big time. I'm not wasting a high first round pick on a first baseman unless he projects to have enormous power potential.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 07:05 AM) Full draft top 125 from 2080 baseball. They have an interesting take on Turang. Also there seems to be some consensus forming on the top tier. Interesting that initial projections of De Sedas and Turang going in the top ten picks seem to have fizzled. We should absolutely be looking to take BPA regardless of position at #4. Underslot might be good in theory, but I want premium talent if drafting in the top five. I hope we don't get too cute come draft day.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 4, 2018 -> 08:36 AM) I'd be really thrilled with Mize, just don't think he's there. McClanahan is nice, just don't really want a TJ guy. There are also just a lot of high school pitchers that are quality, and not so many position players. So it's a question of getting the top of a pretty stocked class, or getting the top of a weak class. It seems like arms are going to be the top of this class, we should not be foolish and reach for a lesser player out of need. With a top 5 pick we should take the best talent.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Apr 3, 2018 -> 04:56 PM) Well so far in his career he has posted fielding percentages of .859 | .959 | .925 I know fielding percentage isn't a great measure, but he is pretty consistently low (the second year was probably inflated by playing ~20% of his games at first base) and he doesn't look great on video. I also don't really understand why everyone is talking about him having massive power when he has put up good power numbers, but nothing spectacular. Unless its something they see and think they can change to bring out more power, but that seems like added risk to such a high pick. Did not read far back to see if this was discussed, but how are we not all over Casey Mize with the amazing season he is having? 47 ip 25 h 11 er 4 hr 3 bb 70 k's 2.11 ERA 0.60 WHIP He might not even be there at #4 overall at this point Shane McClanahan is also havign a very strong season, along with Brady Singer I know most of us want to see a SS or a bat, but I would strongly consider adding another high end arm to our system.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 09:16 AM) Elite will mean different things, but I don't see either Abreu or Avi bringing back elite returns. Doesn't mean anything of worth can't come back, but would abreu or Avi bring back something like the Kahnle/Robertson/Frazier trade? I personally doubt it. There isn't a big group of teams they are fits for and that will suppress returns. Too soon to assess what a potential trade market will be like in a few months. Injuries can completely change how valuable one of our pieces might be.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 1, 2018 -> 08:12 AM) I believe that is still the draft date unless it changed in the new CBA. I'm sure he'd still see some live pitching (players he knows around the league that aren't with a team, former teammates that may not be playing, etc) and working on defense during that time. If there was no draft pick compensation attached, I would be interested in a 1-2 year deal on Moustakas. As things are currently, I am not interested in giving up the #45 pick in the draft and bonus pool.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 27, 2018 -> 11:04 AM) Because it was 2/$15mm, and the only guy who stands to lose PT is Narvaez. I think most of us would take Moustakas at 2/$15mm, even if it meant fewer ABs for Yolmer. Moustakas at 2 years/$15 million would be a solid value

QUOTE (flavum @ Feb 27, 2018 -> 10:59 AM) If Jake Burger makes his debut the same age as Todd Frazier did, he’ll debut in July, 2021. Just saying, Frazier has had a decent career debuting at age 25, and Burger still has a chance to be up way before that if his rehab goes well. The prognosis for athletes is not great coming back from an Achilles tear. I wish him the best, but sadly I do not feel like we can realistically consider him a core part of our future plans anymore. Anything he provides the mlb club moving forward would purely be a bonus.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 26, 2018 -> 03:46 PM) Yeah this is a devastating injury for him. Devastating injury. Praying it's not a torn Achilles, but this sounds bad.

QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 22, 2018 -> 08:42 AM) The answer is: You would take out no months, because they all actually happened and you need to use as much information as possible to evaluate a player. I can't see the Sox handing a player like Moustakas a five year deal. Why would we be bidding against ourselves for a player we may not even want? His low OBP frightens me, as he is a career .251 avg, .305 OBP hitter. Any slip in that batting average and we are talking about a hitter who majorly struggles to get on base. His defense is not good enough to offset that either.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 21, 2018 -> 09:25 AM) Micker is among the top offensive ceilings in the entire system. He just is young, and has lost a lot of time due to injury. He has a long way to get to that ceiling, but he also has made very big progress in 2017. If he keeps up the pace in 2018, he could well enter top 100 lists. He has huge power potential and Aaron Rowand compared his arm to Vlad Guerrero in RF. Hit tool has a long way to go before he will sniff top 100 lists. 149 k's in low A ball is a big red flag to me for what is to come against better pitching in the high minors.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Feb 21, 2018 -> 08:10 AM) Recently I've seen Micker Adolfo's name surface more frequently in Sox coverage and it's always been VERY positive. It makes me wonder why we don't talk about him more and why he's not on more people's projected lineups in our contending years. For those of you who are up on this sort of thing...is there a bigger reason (other than injury history) why he's not mentioned more in our top prospect conversations? Seems like this guy is healthy and a beast in the making. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0220-story.html https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-getz-describ...-194919118.html Up until 2017, Micker had really underperformed considering his lofty international prospect status when we signed him. He has tons of talent, but will need to prove himself against better competition in high A Winston Salem this year. Strikeouts are still and issue, but the increase in home runs is encouraging. His first half of the season will tell us alot about his future as a prospect.