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QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Jan 3, 2018 -> 11:26 AM) My top 5 Evan Skoung (Winds up being our best C prospect after this year) Luis Gonzalez (Solid #2 hitter potential) Bernardo Flores (Turns out to be our best LH prospect) Jake Burger (I think he will blow up this year and make the top 100 mid-season) Dyaln Cease (yes I know he's a top 10 already but I am predicting that he will make the same sort of crazy jump Kopech did. Predicting he brings he control in while keeping his rediculous K numbers and just dominates the minors and moves into the top 25 prospects by year end) These are my 5 under the radar with their bold predictions attached. Small sample size, but Skoug strikes out far too often for me to have faith he can handle upper minors pitching. It's not as if his defense is standout either. Not bad for where we selected him in the draft, but the flaws seem significant.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jan 6, 2018 -> 03:32 PM) I'm in. Give me the Dodgers, please. I’m interested, can someone send me details?

QUOTE (KnightsOnMintSt @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 11:17 AM) Adolfo is ranked 14th by MLB. But yes, I am excited to see Micker take that next step. Big time power that has the balling flying out of the park very quickly. Adolfo is a guy that does have upside remaining if he can continue to improve. He's still pretty young and the tools to be a regular are there. Zavala is a guy I could see actually becoming one of our better prospects and overtaking Collins

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 08:39 PM) I think we could be worse. We had a pretty good record in the first half with a lights out bullpen, Jose Quintana and nelly Cabrera and Todd Frazier. All gone and replaced by AAAA long shots or volatile young players. I hope I’m wrong but it could be a rough year. Playing 38 games against the Royals and Tigers will certainly keep us from reaching 100 losses I feel. 2018 is certainly not a contention season, but we could see minor improvements.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 07:21 PM) I wonder how much cash the White Sox are getting back. Wasn't Peter exposed in the rule 5? This deal seems very low risk depending on how much cash we get back. Two decent looking relief options can’t hurt.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 07:19 PM) Soria is paid $9 million in 2018, $10 million team option/$1 million buyout for 2019. How much cash are we getting?

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:59 PM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now #Dodgers have indeed made trade, as @jcrasnick reported, but not with #WhiteSox, source tells The Athletic. In process of calling players. well this is awkward... Hmmmmm, certainly awkward

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 04:43 PM) It only makes sense if you can pull off a lopsided deal. Those extra years wont be worth much "The final package could look like this: Giolito (or Anderson), Cease, Rutherford and Collins." I would not be in favor of surrendering that much talent, even though Yelich is very good. I do not think the Marlins asking price would be nearly that high, and guys like Rutherford/Collins still have enough stock to warrant being much better than 3rd and 4th pieces in a deal like that. Even taking a pessimistic view of those players would result in us dealing 6+ seasons of a #3/4 starter, reliever in Cease, 4th outfielder in Rutherford and a C/1B prospect with on base skills and some pop.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 03:00 PM) His agent is Scott Boras no thanks. He'll either wait out the market and get a longterm deal or sign a 1yr pillow contract. Pass Soxtalk would be pretty livid if Moustakas was signed. I think Hahn is smart enough to realize what a bad idea that would be.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 08:43 AM) White Sox: Machado Mania, and Three Truths Revealed from the Last Week #WhiteSox #MLB https://t.co/FdYuVdH2Y0 https://t.co/XGlyrylzgv https://twitter.com/TheLoop_Sports/status/943988463535382534 "Hahn was going to offer only what he saw as expendable for the better of the franchise, and if that was Lucas Giolito and/or Dylan Cease, then it would have been worth it." I'm pretty certain that Soxtalk would hate the idea of giving up both Giolito and Cease for only one guaranteed season of Machado. Cease is a guy the Sox really should get a better look at in 2018 to see what they have in him. Giolito may not have #1 starter upside, but I don't think he is far off being a solid #3 with 6 seasons of control left. Machado is certainly the prize and the piece that the Sox rebuild is gunning for, but if the O's won't deal him there is nothing we can do.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 04:10 PM) I used to see photos and videos of Alexei pumping iron and working hard in the offseason. Then the season would roll around and he still looked like he spent the entire winter on a deserted island looking for some berries. HAHAHAHAHA that comment had me laughing at my computer

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) We're not signing Machado in FA, that ship has sailed. We need to pray our guys live up to all the hype quickly and we can convince a second tier type to come here to be the icing on the cake. I'm not suggesting we sign him, but I'm not sure how you can say that ship has sailed when Machado is a year away from free agency? Any team that wants to offer the most money will get him pretty much. I do not know if that should be us.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) Can't believe Orioles didn't agree to trade Manny for Russell, Montgomery and Almora if that rumor is true Id didn't see anywhere that the Cubs actually offered that^

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) Who here would do Cease + Fulmer for Machado? Seems like a no-brainer to me, but I have a feeling I’ll be in the minority on this one. It's probably a fair trade, but we do not know what Cease can become and it's too soon to give up on Fulmer. I would not pay any higher of a price than that for one season of Machado

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 01:02 AM) Not at all, lol. Moncada/Kopech/Devers are all top ten overall prospects. Giolito/Robert/Hansen are like back-end top 100 guys. Giolito/Robert/Hansen is a bigger package than what we got for the Sale or Eaton deal in my opinion, depending on what you think of Hansen. I feel like he is a player who could crack the top 50 prospects by mid season if he continues to develop. Robert could be a top ten prospect with time as well. Kopech is already one of the best pitching prospects overall right now. No way I offer that much for Yelich, who is a very good player, but a tier or two below a superstar in my opinion.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:49 AM) Not sure why but have a feeling all these offers were low Have a feeling Giolito and Adams were all that was offered (hate to lose Gio) Time for JR and Hahn to work on an offseason pitch Sox fans would hate that deal. 6 season of control of Giolito for a one year rental is a bad trade.

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 05:05 PM) Crazy that Boston hasn't improved that position lol. It's unbelievable, especially considering what the Yankees have done. Moreland was still a 2.0 WAR player in 2017, it's not like he totally sucks^ Red Sox certainly must be targeting JD Martinez to bring added power to the lineup. I wouldn't write them off just yet.

QUOTE (pablo @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) I didn't want to start another thread for this since it is pure speculation and no reports have mentioned the Sox being interested so i just picked this one, but with the Yelich news today (apparently he wants to talk to management about getting out of MIA), wondering what everyone's thoughts are on him. At first, I think it would be an easy assumption to make that Yelich would cost an Adam Eaton package (if not more) but I am not necessarily convinced of that. Eaton was coming off a a 6+ WAR campaign whereas Yelich has never exceeded 4.5 (3 seasons of exactly 4.5). Eaton had 3 years remaining on contract at $14M plus two option years and Yelich has 5 years at $35M plus one option year - so Eaton 5 years less money, Yelich 6 years more money. We do have to factor that Yelich is three years younger, but overall Eaton could be seen as having a little more trade value than Yelich at this time last year. I think we all can agree the Eaton deal was an overpay as well - but it was a contending team that thought Eaton would help them get over the top while costing very little. In light of that, I don't think Yelich would cost a team two top 50 prospects and a previous years first rounder like Washington gave up for Eaton. More likely one top 50 prospect and some good prospects to supplement the package. https://tomahawktake.com/2017/12/18/atlanta...an-yelich-cost/ I typically don't read Fansided articles as they are pointless, but the author did put some thought into this one. It compares the trade package for Ozuna vs what a trade package for Yelich would look like from the Braves perspective. To sum it up for Yelich: Ian Anderson (#5 ATL prospect, #50 per MLB.com), Kyle Muller (#10) Christian Pache (#11) and some lower prospects that I won't mention. I think a package from the Sox perspective that would be similar and likely beat this proposed deal would be - Hansen/Cease, Rutherford, Fulmer. I would not dip into the Eloy, Kopech/Robert trio, but anyone else would be on the table (within the right combination). And this is coming from a guy that thinks Rutherford took too much heat last year for his struggles and not indicative of a failed prospect like some on here think. 5 years of Yelich when this team is just about to contend again (hopefully 2019) would be huge, rather than waiting to see if Rutherford/Robert/Adolfo are the next big things come 2020. I also think it would be a great signal to any free agents in the coming years that Sox are serious about contending and not just rebuilding. Sorry for the rambling, but been on a my mind on awhile as we sift through the confusion of the proposed Machado deal. I'm not blown away by that Braves package, it feels light if I am the Marlins. Yelich is under long term control for a very reasonable sum of money, I'd be asking for two top 100's plus a solid third piece at a minimum.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 04:43 PM) trade market now appears to be holding up free agent market. lots of big names being mentioned in trades, though no certainty many of them will move: machado, mccutchen, abreu, cole, duffy, archer, longoria, avisail, colome, herrera, harrison, kipnis, hernandez, merrifield, etc. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/942850466874101760 With the Red Sox resigning Moreland to a two year deal I think we can likely kill the Abreu to Boston rumor for now

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 04:06 PM) Ken Rosenthal‏Verified account @Ken_Rosenthal 5m5 minutes ago More Bit of a surprise: #RedSox announce signing of free-agent 1B Mitch Moreland to a two-year contract. Boston must really not have liked the asking prices of free agents and in trades to sign Moreland for two years. He's not a terrible player by any means, but when you are competing in a division with the Yankees I'm sure fans were looking for a more robust move. If they sign JD Martinez that might appease fans?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale 1h1 hour ago Realmuto and Yelich understandably don't want to be the last marquee player standing in #Marlins rebuild, but #Marlins plan for both to be on opening day roster, particularly Realmuto, who is considered close to untouchable. Marlin's situation looks to be a disaster. Realmuto and Yelich are not pleased and both reportedly are looking to get out.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 01:21 PM) Makes sense for the Cubs actually. I actually do think I would trade 4 controlled years of Russell for 1-year of Machado. They have Baez and Happ ready to contribute where needed. It'd probably save some money on a 5th starter too, because frankly they really wouldn't need a good one! I also believe Machado would fall in love with the city and the baseball atmosphere surrounding the Cubs and would re-sign because they are a team that is set up to contend for the majority of his prime. Plus, if they found a way to dump Heyward and somehow lure Bryce (which wouldn't be all too difficult with Bryant, Rizzo and Machado there), that would be an unbelievable situation. Lots of ifs. But ifs of this magnitude rule out most teams. Typically contending teams with bright futures and deep pockets can endure risk of this caliber. As for us...I think it would be great to see Machado here. But just don't think it's a good fit in a trade situation, NOW--in the event he resigns somewhere else. Could you imagine losing 2+ key pieces of our rebuild for a meaningless year of Machado (good or bad)? Do you think it's worth it to add him with the thought of flipping him at the deadline if we get the inclination he would not resign with us? That would limit the risk a little, but a deal for a mega-star player like Machado would take a while to complete. I do still think a team could part with a VERY TOP prospect at the deadline to get Manny Machado for their stretch run, with the inside track on resigning him if things went well. He's one of the very few who I think could make a difference large enough to justify that. I don't know...just ramblin' some thoughts. 1) Nobody is taking Heyward and his contract off their hands, Cubs are stuck with him for now 2) Even the deep pocketed Cubs cannot afford BOTH Machado and Harper in free agency. Each player will command $30-40 million on the open market and it would be insane to commit that much payroll to two players. Cubs would be pushed way into the luxury tax.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 03:53 PM) http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/des...-for-assignment Craig Mish‏Verified account @CraigMish Following Following @CraigMish More Source : JT Realmuto has requested a trade from the Marlins. Marlin's fire sale might not be over^

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 11:32 AM) I agree, but this s*** makes me very nervous. I just hope the Sox know what they’re doing. I have no problem throwing out a moderate offer in the off-chance it sticks, but we definitely don’t need to get involved in a bidding war. Having said that, I still can’t figure out what teams would actually overpay for a year of Machado. To me, it’s the Cardinals or bust and I still don’t see them giving up a package that much bigger than what they gave up for Ozuna. Cardinals do not want to part with Reyes or Flaherty after trading for Ozuna. They dealt multiple arms and are not comfortable depleting their farm depth even more. I could see them offering some outfielders, but Baltimore seems set on wanting pitching.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) The fact that this deal window was supposedly in hours, and now is going on a week tells me that Angelos is having second thoughts. I think no deal gets done with Machado until the tax deadline. Machado makes much much more sense for a contender, but there is not a clear fit in terms of a team 1) With the desired prospects that will part with the prospects 2) Who can easily absorb Machado's 17.3 million estimated salary 3) That O's ownership actually wants to move him They should have dealt Machado a year ago for a huge haul and by waiting they will get far less for a rental.