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QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 04:01 PM) 140+ We've had threads go to > 200+ pages before... I believe Cespedes went to 300+ haha We discussed signing Cespedes a few years back exhaustingly^ right

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:50 PM) If Machado were acquired and then extended, rather than signed as a free agent, after having been offered a "qualifying offer," by his 2018 team, doesn't that eliminate the loss of a Draft pick, for the team which signs him? If so, isn't that a consideration? I think that's a very small consideration since you only lose a second round draft pick instead of a first like before

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) I suppose that's the thing about the word "discussed" instead of "included". I'd be pretty surprised if Giolito were included as well. He's mlb ready and seemed to be finding his groove down the stretch last season. I don't see him as a potential #1, but he could develop into a solid #2-3 starter in time.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:40 PM) God I love Dan Clark! That helps all Sox fans breath a bit easier. Although Sox seem pretty damn serious about getting Machado...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:52 PM) Why would the White Sox say they have the best offer? Of course they will downplay their offer. Again, if all Baltimore is going to get is second tier guys, there is no incentive for them to trade him. Our second tier would be many farm system's first tier^ Baltimore is not going to compete against a loaded Yankees and Red Sox in the East and would be best served goign through a rebuild. Dealing Machado would be the start of that. I have heard no desire on the Orioles part in trying to resign him, so you might as well shop him for the best offer either now or at the deadline?

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:52 AM) They are but also this is shown to be a terrible market to blow it up in. Cardinals decided to push for one or two more years of contention instead of going for a rebuild. This is not an ideal year to rebuild, nor is next offseason with the best free agent class of the decade.

QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) It could have been an offer like Timmy Anderson, Giolito and Fulmer, which would be the best offer likely out there. It is a calculated risk like Rick said, we have the depth to rebound pitching wise and lose the risk on Timmy. We would also be "cashing" in on an early contract Rick signed like always. I wouldn't like that trade. Or even two of those guys for a rental and showcase of the greatness that is WhiteSoxdom, but I could see something like it happening. I know he had a down season, but I don't understand everyone tossing Anderson into trade proposals so easily. He is signed very reasonably long term and should be given the chance to bounce back in 2018. If we trade him for Machado, and Machado does not sign with us then who the heck do we have to play SS in the organization? I don't see him going anywhere.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:49 AM) Players go where the money is. If the White Sox offer the best contract, the player will sign. The organization has a good rep among players. If not, you wouldn't have seen all the team friendly deals. The problem is, the White Sox try to get guys to sign for less because they can't spend $1 if they only have $.50. That isn't going to work for Machado. He is also going to have union pressure to get the most he can get. Yes, and no. Machado is going to be offered a ton of money by many teams, making the decision not just about money but about club culture, the city, etc.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:35 AM) https://mobile.twitter.com/scottmerkin/stat...329771035807744 Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan 23s24 seconds ago More Hahn: "We are not looking to make any sort of move that’s aimed at simply jumping up and perhaps contending for a Wild Card or maybe even the division for one year. The focus remains on the long term. "Now, we may take some calculated risks along the way."

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:04 AM) Also of note, the Sox don't lose anyone in the major league portion of the draft. Guerrero, Peter, Walsh and company all stay put. That is the best thing to come out of the rule five draft for the Sox to be honest. Now Guerrero can develop at AAA and remain in the organization. Peter could be a decent utility guy?

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) I just don't get what the positives for getting Manny for a season is. You run the risk of really hurting the talent level on the team in two seasons if you don't extend him while giving up a few starting pitchers We all have to take a deep breath and realize that Hahn is not going to allow the Sox to get fleeced just to have Machado for one season. There's more going on here than we can currently see in rumors.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) What a dumb turn these meetings took. Scott Merkin‏Verified account @scottmerkin Following Following @scottmerkin More Hahn: "Over the last year or so, you guys know how many of our transactions actually leaked out in advance vs. how many were perhaps a surprise or announced on White Sox letterhead for the first time. You can respond accordingly.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:55 AM) Yeah definitely concerned about losing to prop up our rule 5 position give me a break. The cash considerations thing pisses me off. Hahn said "we will be active in the rule five draft tomorrow" yesterday...on a team with a crappy bullpen we should have taken an arm. WTF

QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:51 AM) So which 2 wins last season do we blame for not getting Burdi? Picking an OFer to trade for cash to an AL team with a wide open bullpen and a few bech spots open as well? Can anyone explain this logically? What am I missing? Meghan Montemurro‏Verified account @M_Montemurro 3m3 minutes ago More The Phillies traded RHP Nick Burdi, their Rule 5 draft pick, to the Pittsburgh Pirates for international slot money.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:47 AM) I'm convinced Hahn has been kidnapped and someone else has taken over last 24 hours With our bullpen in shambles I'm surprised we didn't roll the dice on an arm we can test out. To end up with a minor league catcher and cash doesn't seem all that great. Hell, roll the dice on Burch Smith as a potential starter/bullpen arm?

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) Probably cash for Machado.... Tocci to Texas for the infamous cash considerations? That is what Hahn meant when saying "We plan to be active in the rule five draft"?!!?

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:37 AM) As I said yesterday around this time, if you want to put together a title contender, you trade some of the prospects for Yelich and then break the bank for Machado Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale Following Following @BNightengale More The #WhiteSox have no intention of flipping Manny Machado if they land him, they say, insisting he fits into their long-term plans

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:31 AM) JJ Cooper‏Verified account @jjcoop36 5s6 seconds ago More White Sox take C Yermin Mercedes. Man can hit. Had a breakout year in 2016 but questions about his glove. Catching depth is certainly not a bad thing. He likely gets placed in AAA?

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:20 AM) Well that's underwhelming. Guy apparently can play a quality center field, might be a decent 4/5th outfielder?

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:17 AM) Yay more outfielders. Thought we were short on AAAA guys there. Carlos Tocci Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 30 | Run: 55 | Arm: 50 | Field: 55 | Overall: 45 When Tocci first signed with the Phillies back in 2011, the farm system was a little thin, so despite lacking physical strength, he was pushed to full-season ball aggressively in '13. He spent parts of three seasons there as a result, finally making it out of Lakewood for good in 2016. He capped a solid season there by hitting .323 in the Venezuelan Winter League and finishing fifth in on-base percentage, then followed that up with a solid showing in his move up to Double-A in 2017. Tocci has long shown a strong hit tool, making consistent contact to all fields and rarely striking out. His willingness to draw walks in Venezuela is a good sign as well. What Tocci continues to lack, however, is strength. He has no power to speak of, and he has the tendency to wear down over the course of the season because he hasn't been able to add the strength necessary to hold up. He is an excellent defender in center field and if he were a basestealing threat, the Phillies probably would have had to add him to the 40-man roster last offseason to protect him from the Rule 5 Draft. Instead, he's still in the organization and performing well in the upper levels for the first time, and at the age of 21 for almost all of the 2017 season.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:15 AM) Baseball America‏Verified account @BaseballAmerica 7s8 seconds ago More The #Giants select RHP Julian Fernandez with the 2nd pick of the Rule 5 Draft. Philly takes Burdi Carlos Tocci?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:10 AM) You'd pretty much be buying a 7-month negotiation window. Then you could flip to recover some value in July. Soxtalk would be furious if we deal Kopech, this is a fact

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:47 AM) @barstoolWSD This is some conjecture/ some scoopage, but asked around and am pretty sure Kopech is off limits in a Machado deal FWIW I trust Dave. Eloy/Moncada/Kopech/Robert/Collins/Hansen should be off limits for sure Not sure how us going for Machado makes sense right now, but I will trust Hahn and Co. (although this has the stench of Kenny Williams)

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:04 AM) They expect SF to grab Burdi at 2 Victor Reyes from AZ goes first overall

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 05:36 PM) Sox should be all over Yelich. I don't know the logistics though. Cost to acquire Yelich likely is very very high. 25 year old quality center fielders under control for 5 years generally do not get traded.