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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 11:16 AM) Why rush him? This is going to be a replacement level team next year. We shouldn't be in any hurry to burn service time until we need to. I'm totally fine with him spending the entire 2018 season in AAA if need be. We do not know if his recent command is here to stay yet, and he absolutely should have to earn a promotion to the majors. Personally, I would like to see a full season in AAA and have him ready to go spring 2019.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Aug 6, 2017 -> 06:14 PM) This is going to sound like a troll idea, but here goes. Deep breath, you guys are going to *crush* me. What would be the downside of trading for Tim Tebow and bringing him up in late August or early September? It would (obviously) be 1000% a marketing move. Upside would be generating revenue for the team through ticket sales that could be used towards big ticket signings in the future. But on a team that's as terrible as this one, what is the downside really? Main argument is that we wouldn't want to be viewed as using celebrity power for ticket sales and a loss of respectibility. I hate this idea, and it has nothing to do with Tim Tebow the person. Sox fans want a serious rebuild, not a sideshow joke. There are players killing for the opportunity to show what they can do in the major leagues, why bypass them for a celebrity that will never be a major league player?

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) Next year the big win with Kopech is him being healthy and getting to at least 160 innings. Pushing him to big leagues would make me lose considerable confidence in our player development. Kopech will likely be allowed to play out 3-4 more starts in August and then be shut down until spring training. He should be in mlb camp, but needs to spend a considerable amount of time in AAA Charlotte continuing to work on command and building up innings. I'd like to see him spend a good amount of 2018 in AAA, but if a player forces the issue then it must be considered.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 01:03 AM) No he wouldn't be. Kid was putting up legendary numbers as a freshman. I have 0 doubts he'll be fantastic next year. His bat is special. Obviously with the sox recent top picks, they don't value the defensive side of the game others do. I'm personally more on the Turang train, but lets not act like Beer isn't a top 5 talent in the country. A college 1B has never gone #1 overall, and for good reason. If Beer can't stick in the OF his value is limited as a bat only player. He'd be a top 10 pick, but likely not in the top 5.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 6, 2017 -> 09:03 PM) The Trout-less Angels and woeful Twins are hovering just below .500. The Brewers, a truly miserable roster that had no intentions of competing to start the year, are only 0.5 back of the juggernaut Cubs. All it would take is Rodon/Lopez/Giolito all playing up to their potentials and it will be extremely difficult for the Sox to be so bad again. The offense and bullpen still will not be strong enough for the White Sox to win consistently in 2018. I'm not sure if we will be the worst team in baseball like in 2017, but I fully expect us to field a bottom 5 team. 2019/2020 we should see big strides forward towards contention as our farm starts to bear fruit.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) Hopefully the Phillies and Giants go on prolonged winning streaks soon. Might not even matter if we continue to lose at the current pace. I want the additional bonus slot money that could allow us to be very creative in the draft.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 03:01 PM) Yep think Acuna will be 1, Vladito 2, Eloy 3 and Kopech in the 7-8 range Acura has been unreal in 2017. You could make the argument he deserves to be called up now, even though that is not going to happen. A strong finish should vault Jimenez into the top three. Little glad will be in the mix, along with Robles.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) He's not really crushing his competition in the DSL. A .500 OBP is impressive in any minor league, so I would say robert is doing just fine after not playing organized baseball in a year. He should be ready to start playing in kannapolis to start 2018

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) To me both Gillespie and Sheets were too high. Good work though everyone. I do think Delmonico deserved top 30 mention. He is unlikely to be a full time player but he definitely has an MLB bat. Which makes him more interesting than Gillespie to me. Top 30 lists are more about ceilings than about floors. We have plenty of guys not in the top thirty that are more likely to play in the majors than higher really guys, like Tito polo for example. Gillaspie and sheets are too high I feel as well.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) Double plus good Fangraphs predicting the Sox finish with worst overall record at 61-101

QUOTE (KnightsOnMintSt @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 09:13 AM) I would rank Stephens as the No. 2 pitcher behind Kopech. He has been so consistent this year. Would like to see him get a few starts with Charlotte this year. Dylan Cease is a little high for me. I would actually switch Stephens and Cease's rankings. By the time he gets to the White Sox, I would expect Cease to be a bullpen arm, where as I expect Stephens to be in the White Sox rotation in 2019. Not sure how you justify Stephens being ranked above Lopez, Hansen, dunning, cease or giolito. I like Stephens, but he will turn 25 years old in a month and is still in AA ball. He'll get a chance to start, but I'm not sure he isn't better suited to becoming a reliever. Other pitchers in our system offer more projection and have better stuff in my opinion.

QUOTE (beautox @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 09:27 AM) I think the FO are more inclined to buy into Leury over Avisail. Leury can play all three outfield spots very competently as well as SS, 2B & 3B and doesn't have the same injury history. Both of them are 26 but Leury has three years of ARB ahead of him where as Avisail only has two and hes a super 2 so its possible he'll make a combined 18M+ over the next two years. I think a deal similar but slightly less than Kolten Wong or Jose Ramirez gets it done. Locking up Leury on the cheap and possibly front loading it in terms of a bonus would be smart, 4 guaranteed with two options. Doing that would give in house insurance in case Anderson or others busts while offering a cheap average to slightly above regular across the diamond. Here is what average production looks like at positions Leury could play at. SS - .260/.314/.411 - .725 wRC+ 89, 6.9BB% & 18.9K% CF - .266/.334/.436 - .771 wRC+ 103, 8.5BB% & 21.8K% RF - .264/.340/.456 - .796 wRC+ 109, 9.6BB% & 21.5K% LF - .258/.329/.428 - .757 wRC+ 99, 8.8BB% & 21.6K% 3B - .258/.330/.444 - .775 wRC+ 103, 9BB% & 20.4K% 2B - .268/.331/.420 - .751 wRC+ 97, 7.6BB% & 18K% Leury this year .288/.339/.454 - .793 wRC+ 111, 4.8BB% 18.5K% and he is above average in every facet of the game. Hansen and Dunning would be waiting at AAA to crack a stacked rotation as depth or moved for a piece, Cease would likely be pushing AAA mid season, maybe. Hansen and dunning should both be major league ready after two more full seasons in the minors. Surprised everyone is so quick to give up on Adams and not include him in the pricing staff. He's only 21 years old and pitching in AA. Considering he might still have some growth and projection left in him I feel he is a prospect to watch.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 01:15 PM) Fun! Love how you set up your lineup. Of course there will be surprises and guys not completely panning out, but anyways... Moncada 2B, -- Great speed, good power, good OBP, start the opposition off terrified. Rutheford RF/CF -- Good swing, projects for great contact and some power (personally not worried about lack of HRs yet at all. Tons of 2B, first full pro season, more will translate) Jimenez LF -- Big power, great contact, high OBP, seems like he could be a prototypical 3 hitter for a long time. Abreu DH -- Dude can hit. I don't think that is going to change any time soon. Stable veteran presence in the middle of the order. Burger 3B -- Good power, good average, good OBP, off to a great start, I'm hoping it is a sign of things to come. Avi Garcia 1B -- Let's hope this isn't a mirage! If Avi keeps it together, or -gasp- even gets better, wow! Otherwise Gillaspie or Sheets (or even Collins) could fit in this spot. Robert/ Adolfo CF/RF -- Either could be great. Power, Speed (moreso for Robert obviously), lots of 2B, plenty of HR, either could be very dangerous. Nice to have both to go with Jimenez and Rutheford. This time last year, Call and Fisher would have been here, and they still may, but these guys have astronomical ceilings. Collins C -- Great OBP. Great Power. This time last year I bet we were hoping he would develop into a 3 hitter. He still may, but his bat 8th would be quite intimidating. Anderson SS -- Good power and speed combo. Doesn't need high avg or OBP here. When he gets on he sets the table and can get the SB when needed. There is a bit of flexibility here which is even better. Guys like Leury, Smith, DelMonico and Davidson could keep themselves in the lineup. Guys like Engel and Sanchez (or Saladino) are perfect bench pieces. Some other prospects will join the system, others will play themselves up, and likely some others out. Guys like Abreu and Avi could easily be traded loading up even more on prospects, but personally I like having a couple veteran bats in the lineup to bolster the kids. This is a fun exercise, and who knows how these kids are going to develop, but right now there is a lot of depth at several positions. There are probably 6 guys in this lineup that could end up as that "3 hitter" type player. And the pitching may even be better. If these guys hit their projections, this should be a fun team for quite a while, but that is obvious, and kind of the point of this whole deal. Not sure if players like Burger/Sheets/Rutherford will be ready until mid/end of the 2020 season for the majors. All are just in low A ball right now with three levels to climb in the next two seasons. Nearly everythign would have to break right for them as well.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 03:55 PM) I don't agree with that. Kopech is in AA, Giolito and Lopez in AAA...Id say their top end talent is fairly spread out. We currently do not have any true quality position player prospects playing in AA/AAA right now that project to be everyday mlb players.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) Was a long few days with no Soxtalk Rebuilding can be lonely haha

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 11:11 PM) Great news about Moncada although it was pretty obvious. Still good to see it though. When a player gets carted off the field, it's rarely great news like this. We dodged a bullet today for both Garcia and moncada.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 11:15 PM) Yup. Not a doubt in my mind either. They might take it slow with Rutherford, but Adolfo is close to automatic next season. Rutherford is supposed to be a top prospect, he belongs in Winston Salem next season.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 06:52 PM) I am not sure if I agree with that thinking. Usually you would wait till you till you see a pitcher facing better competition if they have questionable or even average stuff, i.e. guys like Danish or even Stephens. We know that Hansen has TOR stuff, his weakness was his control which we know has improved by leaps and bounds since playing in the Sox system. The fact that he's still only pitching in A ball (though he's already been promoted once this year) is because Sox wants to take it slow with him, reps are more important for him at this point than getting him challenged. I'm fairly bullish on Hansen at this point. I like Hansen allot, don't get me wrong. I just need to see more of it. The stuff is there, he just needs to consistently keep up his control. He should be pushing top 100 listed by end of season.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) I feel like too many have held his college debacle against him. It has been a full year now of him pitching like a superstar. He has also managed to throw 163 IP during that time period so he won't be a guy you have to restrict if/when he gets to the majors. So in that year 10-8, 2.15 ERA, 163 IP, 108 H, 58 BB, 219 K, 9 HR. That translates to 12k/9, 3.2BB/9, 6H/9, and craziest of all a home run allowed every 18 IP or so. I am in love with Hansen. Scouts are waiting to see what Hansen can do against better competition in the higher minors. Dominating a ball is not that impressive for a college prospect from a major program. I'll buy in more fully once he's doing this to AA hitters.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 05:28 PM) Bottom 5, no question. Can argue bottom 3. Cubs have plenty of young talent at the MLB roster, but their system is now very thin on the event of injury.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) I understand that this may put LA over the top, but in terms of the trade itself, I just feel as though the baseball world is generally overvaluing 3 months of Darvish and underrating Calhoun as a prospect. Calhoun does not really have a defensive position and grades poorly in the field and with arm strength. He's likely a dh long term.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 04:13 PM) Eloy Jimenez IS the deal here. The Yankees were never willing to put a top flight guy on the line. Unless they were going to offer Gleybar Torres, the Yankees weren't going to offer a better deal that included Kaprelian and Fowler. Even then, personally I'd rather have the Jimenez fronted deal Yankees would have to include Frazier + Adams + one additional quality piece to realistically have beaten the Cubs offer, which was never on the table. Jimenez is a better prospect than Frazier in my opinion. I'm surprised the Astros did not go all in on Quintana. It would have meant surrendering Tucker + Whitley + another solid piece though

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) You're wondering about the pitch recognition of a guy that's walking at a 13.6% clip? Give me a break. I think Moncada will be fine. He just needs to be a bit more aggressive at the plate and the hits will start to come.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) Seems like the price for pitching has gone done. Glad Rick made the moves when he did for Q and Sale. Astros just put McCullers on the DL...I really wonder if they will regret not paying up to land an impact starter?

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 03:33 PM) Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 9s Source: Dodgers send Calhoun, Alexy and Davis to Rangers for Yu Darvish. Deal done. Not a bad return for a three month rental of a slumping Darvish. Calhoun does not really have a position and might be best suited as an AL DH. Alexy has promise and is only 19. Davis looks like a throw in.