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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 10:58 PM) I seem to remember people on this board saying Frazier had a lot of value on the trade market with his .202 BA. I'm just saying this euphoria over the "name" prospects can be sickening when a guy like Davidson in limited at bats "could" still whack 30 home runs. I don't care about any secondary stats. I sure hope he gets to 30 to see what people are saying about him. You can't tell me if Robert, Rutherford, Burger ever approach 30 homers in the majors they won't get way more love than Davidson. How many people on here even consider Davidson a decent prospect right now? Not many. But 30 homer production in limited at bats suggests he should be hyped as well. You are ignoring any of davidsons other stats outside of home runs. A .291 OBP is not good. He does not hit for average, does not get on base and is a below average defensive player. I will criticize any of our prospects if they statistically aren't up to par.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 10:42 PM) I have no problem with the patient approach or rebuilding from scratch the way they are. I just think the goal should gradually shift starting this offseason from intentionally losing and sabotaging the ML squad at every turn to a more win now mindset. Not overnight, not over the course of one season, and not at the expense of the talent they've acquired already. I cant make that clear enough. No trading Eloy Jimenez for a rental, that is not what I want to do. I just think after they lock in the high draft pick this year they should start looking at trying to compete sooner rather than later, and its better for them long-term if they finish around .500 next year than if they lose 100 games in 2018. As of the conclusion of this season it will be more important for the young players they have now to be successful together at the major league level than it will be to keep stockpiling minor leaguers. Moustakas is the guy I'd really like to sign, but really only if he were to take a 4 year deal (and we wont know how feasible that is until the offseason). He just makes too much sense, and the Sox may be able to score him cheap while everyone else has their eyes ahead to the next year. Harper and Machado will not be going to the White Sox, anyone holding out hope for that is out of their minds. I respect your opinion, but you will very likely be disappointed if you think the sox are going for a shorter term rebuild. The intention will not be to lose in 2018, rather the losses will come as a part of the rebuild as we give younger, unproven players a chance. We simply will not have enough MLB talent or depth to contend for the division, which is ok to admit. Signing a free agent like moustakas would be a terrible idea and waste of money. Trust in the process and be patient. 2019 should be better and 2020 we should be ready to go.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) Cmon Tony. Nobody's high on Davidson like they are those recent acquisitions. Like I said if Eloy hit 30 homers and hit .230 like Davidson is gonna do there'd be a proverbial parade on here. I don't care really about anything right now with Davidson cept 30 home runs. He should play enough to reach that mark and cmon 30 home runs? He should be talked about as much as any prospect if he bangs 30 homers. Home runs ignore a larger statistical examination of the player. Davidson does not hit for average, draw walks or play decent defense. Should he get the chance during a rebuild? Of course, but I'm not expecting him to be a part of our longer term future at this point.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 02:55 PM) Cashman has done a good job of getting his team help while not giving up top prospects. It's going to take some time to get used to their new approach. Cashman feels that his window is just beginning, unlike Epstein knowing the cubs window is now and the next couple seasons. Hence not surrendering his top prospects that he cannot afford to deal.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 06:33 PM) They won't get any help from the city or state. I think they are where they are long term. Inevitable new ownership may have a big influence on what happens^

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 06:30 PM) If the Sox build a new stadium it will be a colossal waste of money. The nice party about the Cell's initial cookie cutter interior is that it made it extremely upgradeable. For now? Absolutely. For the long term future of the franchise, new ownership will likely explore building a stadium after the current lease is up.

QUOTE (The Mighty Mite @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 06:22 PM) The current lease is up in 2029. Will be interesting to see what decision is made in the next decade about a future stadium. Could be a very good opportunity to relocate?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 05:41 PM) The stadium is fine. It is actually better now than they day it opened.i have a coffee table book filled with pictures of Comiskey Park during the 1977 season. You wouldn't believe what a dump that place was then. But that park, same location, is beloved, even by me. But the truth is, it has been upgraded. Realistically, how much longer are the Sox expected to remain in the existing stadium? I'll agree it has been upgraded and isn't a bad park, but are we looking at ten years? Twenty? Thirty?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 05:38 PM) This is a serious question. With all the multiple prospects acquired in trades, and the draft picks, especially if in the next 2 years they draft a guy who can play relatively quickly, are the White Sox looking at a 40 man roster crunch in a couple of years? Right now there are plenty of guys auditioning for roster spots and everything will have to be earned moving forward. I wouldn't worry about a roster crunch right now.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 04:11 PM) The Sox finish the week with the 3rd pick position. The bad teams through 102: Phi 38-64 SF 39-63 Sox 40-62 Cin 41-61 Oak 44-58 SD 45-57 Det 46-56 I'd say we have a better than 50% chance to end up with #1 overall. Can't see this club winning more than 20 more games.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 05:07 PM) Giolito just gave up a HR Staying to get pretty concerned about Collins. He just can't seem to string his together and is striking out a ton. Bating .200 against high a ball pitching is frightening.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) And raw. Big fastball, was a two way player. He is 23 playing in A ball. Very slim chance he ever sniffs the majors. Only shot would be as a reliever.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 04:59 PM) .500? in 2019? They'll be lucky to be .400 We should be significantly better than a .400 team in 2019, ideally getting back to around .500 baseball. The record matters less than seeing clear progress as we transition young players to the majors.

QUOTE (mac9001 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) I actually remember Puckett making a start against the Dash earlier in the year, he pitched well but was pretty unimpressive stuff wise (i think he topped out around 90). Davis is a but old and hasn't had any real success but a 6-6 lefty with a mid 90s fastball at least has some intrigue. This is honestly more than I expected in return for melky. We should only be pleased.

QUOTE (mac9001 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 01:04 PM) Out of the two I think I might like this Davis kid a bit more. Big lefty with a decent fastball who's throws strikes. Looks like he's had some bad luck this year but I hope they give him a chance to start. Davis is the definition of a fringe prospect. Puckett is the real asset here.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) Live arms. Nice return. Seems like a solid trade and return for a rental in melky. Continuing to stock the farm gives us greater depth moving forward. We should be able to cobble together a solid pitching staff from all of our young arms. I like adding higher floor arms to go with some of our higher risk prospects.

Rutherford isn't in the lineup again. Anyone know what is going on?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 04:40 PM) Always risk with #1 overall? See mark Appel over Kris Bryant...

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 03:16 PM) I'd be shocked if we see Kopech before 2019. Kopech has only thrown 233 minor league innings, I would prefer to wait on him until 2019. Why start his service clock any sooner than necessary as well? He should start 2018 in AAA though. He still needs to cut down the walks otherwise MLB hitters will lay off his great stuff.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) No cheapies in that barrage. I sure liked what Abreu showed and I am liking Willie Garcia Willy Garcia will get his chance the next two months to show us what he can do. We have plenty of outfielders to test out (Engel, Liriano, Garcia, Cordell, etc.)

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) Without a clear cut #1, the thought of the Sox having the pick is a scary proposition. But I hope they get it. Plenty of time for a clear #1 to emerge, but there is always risk with #1 overall

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) TuuuuuuuuuuuRang I am currently on the Turang train, but it's still very early.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:35 PM) Honestly the fact that anyone wants him is the headline here. He is going to generate a garbage return at best. What could a two month rental for Holland possibly be worth? Gonzalez might have some value, but I can't believe anyone would trade for Holland.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) Did I miss someone expecting a big return for Holland? I'm confused as to why any team would be interested in Holland? He's a veteran with a 6.02 FIP this season and a negative WAR. Most teams have somebody in AAA they could call up and put up at least a 6.00 FIP down the stretch?

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:18 PM) I just buy 4 upper reserve tickets for less than 30 bucks total. We then walk in to the stadium and go directly to the lower level third base side about 12 rows up. Security gives zero fuxx. They used to, but security could care less now at an average game