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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 01:15 PM) I dunno about that...the trading was fun and all, but now we actually get to watch these kids develop. I, for one, have been following the affiliates games, as well as excited more than ever to watch guys like Yoan, Lopez and Giolito begin their White Sox careers. Then will come some of those things you mentioned, which, IMO, will be fun as well. The great thing about our rebuild is that we didn't have to just all-out suck AND have no real assets to watch develop like the Astros did for awhile. We're pretty lucky. Strongly advise all Sox fans to download MILB First Pitch app as you can quickly and easily follow our systems minor league games. I've been using it to follow the box scores of our prospects each game. Now it really is about player development as we look to guide our young talent through the system. We have to remember that growing pains and struggles are going to happen. Major trades are likely over, unless they get a great offer for Abreu/Avi, so it will be upto Hahn and Co. to do well in minor trades/rule V draft/2018 and 2019 drafts, free agency etc.

QUOTE (yesterday333 @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 12:40 PM) No one is saying you cant disagree but every time Collins (or any other player we drafted) gets brought up, people have to chime in with, "we could've had this player I wanted." It gets pretty old. I'm happy Collins is in the system as we were lacking catching prospects for sure. I'm also happy that Zevala and Skoug are in the system as well to give it more depth. I'm pretty satisfied with who we have drafted in 2016 and 2017 so far.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 11:39 AM) What in the hell is the Kyle Lewis obsession? What has he shown that someone like Rutherford hasn't? Lewis has shown power, both in college and limited pro sample size. I'm still high on Rutherford, but eventually the power will have to start showing up if he is going to stick as a corner outfielder. I'm not obsessed with Lewis, but feel is is a better overall prospect than Collins at this stage. I get organizationally we needed a catcher, but I think we fell in love with Collins' 2016 junior season. Lewis raked in college, albeit at a smaller program, for two full seasons. What is done is done, but I'm still allowed to respectfully disagree with the organization's draft decision from 2016.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) He only hit .300 his first 2 years at Miami. That isn't a great BA for a college hitter, certainly not for a first round pick. If the that is the real Zack Collins, and the .360 hitter from his junior year is just an outlier, then based on college and pro stats in 3 out of the last 4 years you have a below average to poor hitter, someone who can work the count and also strikeout a bunch at the same time with average to above average defense. That adds to about a .220/.320/.400 hitter at the big leagues if he gets there. But of course he won't hit .220 every year, some years he may hit .240 and become a viable starter (much better than what we get out of Narvaez and Kevan Smith), and some years he may hit below the mendoza line and work himself back to the minor leagues. That's what I expect out of Collins at this point. I'm still a bit annoyed that the Sox passed over Kyle Lewis in favor of Collins, but it's still early enough that Collins could work out. A starting caliber mlb catcher is a very valuable player and hard to find.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) dodger hype Very true^^^

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 11:14 AM) link Jim Callis‏Verified account @jimcallisMLB 55s55 seconds ago More Jim Callis Retweeted Matt Knox Burger closer to Top 10 3B than #Top100Prospects right now. Have him at No. 13 on stacked @WhiteSox list, only 8 Sox on Top 100.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 11:00 AM) Not really I see the '19-'20 rotation like this Kopech Rodon Giolito Guerrero Hansen Burdi Lopez Fulmer I think Giolito makes it even if its less than was initially anticipated. I think Lopez will absolutely get the chance to remain a starter, he seems to have turned the corner as of late. MLB.com's rankings seems very lazy to me. How do many players increase or drop in scouting reports since the draft for no apparent reason? How is Jeren Kendall a top 100 prospect and FV "55" after being rated a "50" in the draft? 4 good games in rookie ball? Makes little sense given his high strikeout rate.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 10:52 AM) Does any of this discussion change anyone's expectations for the 2020 starting rotation and bullpen? What is your best guess for the pitching staff, based upon the current talent in the organization? My guess would be Rodon (unless he's traded), Kopeck, Lopez, Hansen and Cease. I don't know what to think of Giolito. Do you guys think that he'll make it? Fulmer, Burdi and the rest of the top guys would battle for bullpen spots. I think players like Adams, Guerrero and Dunning are more likely to stick as starters than Hansen or Cease. Giolito is the sort of player that has the ability, but really just needs everything to click at some point. I would not give up on him becoming a solid starter yet, but we need to see progress at some point.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 09:39 AM) The Great Hambino is sitting this one out vs. the lefty Zobrist rf Bryant 3b Rizzo 1b Contreras c Happ lf Almora cf Baez 2b Russell ss Angry Mouth-Breather p Schwarber is solid posting a .834 OPS vs right handed pitching, but he is AWFUL against lefties with a career .516 OPS He's exactly the player I would have tried to sell high on before it becomes clear how limited of a player he is

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) I'd really like a good Rodon game. Rodon has not shown much control so far this season. He really needs a solid start to get things back on track.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 09:23 AM) I dont know if he goes anywhere but I do know he has done a damn good job at increasing his trade value. Cheers to Anthony on that. 99.9% chance Swarzak gets traded 1) His contract amounts to peanuts relative to the mlb 2) He has performed very well this year and is #7 overall in reliever WAR in the mlb 3) He would help any contender's bullpen and should come at a reasonable cost prospect wise

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 08:47 AM) I do think Swarzak gets traded alone too, but I disagree with your second part. I think you can package Gonzalez if you wanted to because he has pitched well recently and on a fairly cheap deal, while Melky still has over 5 million left on his deal. Converting players like Swarzak into prospect(s) is going to be key to the rebuild. I'd look to land a young middle infield prospect with upside.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 07:28 AM) my take away was this link not that it matters per se but it'll be an interesting debate through the next three years as too how the Sox, Braves etc stack up as "best farm". I still find it funny that Hansen who was once a consideration for #1 overall isn't getting any love by pipeline esp when you consider how he has performed compared to the rest of the top arms from the '16 draft class, It'll come in time but whatever. As for Collins I understand why he isn't on the top 100, I highly doubt he starts the year at A+ and maybe next year the challenge faced at AA will force him to change his approach as pitchers there don't nibble as much as A+ and he won't be able to parlay his discipline with out focusing on contact in deeper counts. They have raised their grade on Hansen from a "45" FV to a "50" FV, which I feel is fair at this point. A college arm with his stuff should dominate low A ball hitters, but he needs to prove it against significantly better competition at A+ and AA ball before you will see him on top 100 lists regularly. The potential is certainly there.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 11:19 PM) I have a feeling Hansen and Collins just missed the Top 100 To make the top 100 you must be a 55 overall grade or better prospect. They clearly see Hansen and Collins outside the top 100, but I'd say either could very well be back in the top 100 next season.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 10:48 PM) MLBpipeline What did burger do to justify going from a 55 to 50 overall grade since getting drafted? .980 OPS not good enough? The rest of the grades I agree with, is have burger above Fulmer though.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 06:17 PM) For Swarzak, I'd target low A ball players like SS Yasel Antuna and SS Jose Sanchez Freudis Nova from the astros system would be a great pick up

QUOTE (yesterday333 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 05:42 PM) What would the Nats have to give up to get Swarzak and Avi? Would Kieboom, Mckenzie Mills, and Daniel Johnson do it? Or is that too light? Nationals aren't going to trade for Avi after taking for Eaton despite the injury. I'd absolutely start my ask higher than that though.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 03:37 PM) Hell, MiGo could make sense for the cubs. Hmm, MiGo would make sense for many contenders. Dan Hayes‏Verified account @CSNHayes Following More Two scouts on Anthony Swarzak's value: could fetch a good prospect, likely outside of top 150. Lot of available relievers. I like hearing this for sure^^

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 04:44 PM) Swarzak is incredibly versatile this year. Had to be impressed with Swarzak today. His stuff has been very good this season, 94-96 mph fastball, quality slider as well, good location. He could certainly help a contender's pen for a stretch run

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 02:14 PM) Honestly, me too. Must mean nothing overly intriguing has been offered. But at this point, he is our best chip of guys who are likely to be moved, so maybe Hahn is just holding out for now. Smart to hold out until just before the deadline. Pen help is always going to be in demand. He's a rental so I wouldn't expect a big return, but at least one solid prospect would be nice.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 02:08 PM) By a long shot. If we hypothetically traded all of those guys before the season we would be by far the worst team in baseball. We still very well might be by the deadline.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) If Swarzak goes to LA, I'd like to get my old teammate Brock Stewart. I'd be shocked if a contender did not pick up Swarzak to help reinforce the bullpen for the stretch. Swarzak has the 7th highest WAR for relievers in the mlb this season and great peripherals. I'm a bit surprised he has not been dealt yet.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 01:42 PM) We are in a year that means nothing, why would he feel that right now? We are in 2019 before we have any chance of competing for the central division, there should not be much pressure at all. Yoan just needs to settle in and he will be just fine.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 01:07 PM) Most of this roster won't be around when the Sox are good again. Even if Moncada was a good bunter, bunting in that situation was dumb if you are trying to win a game. Why not get him prepared to do something you would want him to do to win the game? The problem here is Renteria is in absolute love with the bunt. I'm not one of these don't bunt ever guys. I do think there is a time and place for them. He should use those times if he has this urgency to bunt. I've yet to ever see a good player have some polish taken off his abilities because he wasn't a good bunter. It seems Renteria cares about this skill way too much. I've never been a fan of bunting, because the majority of the time you are conceding an out. Baseball is a game of outs and why make things any easier for the other team? In the National league it might make more sense with most pitchers being awful at the plate.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 08:37 AM) I'm good with anything, but for me, if some miracle happens where they give the Cubs four losses and they lose the division by a game, that would be pretty awesome. That said, the Cubs will win 3 or 4, and then it'll be over. Then back to trade deadline stuff. Win or lose we end up with a good result from this series. Can't complain either way. As a fan I always hope the Sox win every game, but come next June we will be much happier with the larger bonus pool and higher draft pick.