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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 07:51 AM) Unless its Archer, Cole or Sonny Gray... Hahn has done a tremendous job of using prior trade conversations to still get the majority of what he wants in deals. Conversations with the Nationals for Sale laid the groundwork for the Eaton deal. Conversations with the Yankees about Quintana laid the groundwork for the Frazier/Robertson/Kahnle deal. Now all we have to do is deal Melky, Swarzak, and maybe Avi and stage one of the rebuild is complete.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:40 PM) So I will indulge you. What IS his potential? Ceiling for Rutherford is a more athletic David justice, which is a very good player

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:31 PM) I think this is a better trade then the Sale deal and probably like it more then the Q deal as well. I really really am a fan of this deal. With Sale / Q, I think the idea that we win the deal (as in get better talent then what we gave up, is relatively minimal)...now do we get future value (when we weren't able to leverage the current value of Q/Sale)...sure, but I don't see us winning those deals. In the case of this trade, I could see us acquiring the best player in the deal (as well as other contributors). Oddly enough, I could see this being the deal that when we look back a few years down the road, put us over the top. If Rutherford pans out, we win big. If we get anything from clarkin or polo as well it's a cherry on top. Our farm system it's so deep now

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:15 PM) Normally I don't like to be a downer, but I really dislike this trade. When we have been talking about getting Kieboom or Soto for Robertson and how good Kahnle has become plus he is controllable for three more years, I feel like the only real piece we got was Rutherford. Hell, we had to take on Clippard!!! Rutherford seems like a glorified Jameson Fisher to me and I'm not a fan. Both those guys are rated highly because they are supposed to have natural hitting ability and nice swings, but the results aren't any better than guys with average hitting ability. And that might be fine if they had other skills that could add value, but they don't have speed that can be useful in the majors, are below average defenders, and have week arms. And Hahn saying he could play CF! But Rutherford is supposed to have power right? Except he has 2 home runs this season. If Rutherford wasn't highly rated going into the draft because he crushed guys year younger than him I definitely think he would be outside the top 100. I feel like this is buying high on Rutherford and selling low on Kahnle. Why take this trade two weeks before the deadline?! I hope I'm wrong, but this is the first time I'm down on a prospect, and this is probably our last trade that can add high end talent and I feel like we missed out. ***Deep breath*** Rant over. Clarkin is not nothing. We needed a solid left handed prospect for our system.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:14 PM) There goes the #1 farm system ranking This has been quite the week for the whole Sox. Holy crap

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:13 PM) There is a very real chance that in 3-5 years, this will be a trade that Yankees fans bring up in every single conversation about Cashman's f*** ups Moncada is getting called up!!!

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:12 PM) People said the same thing about Nate Jones last offseason. Look how that one turned out. Rebuilding teams should always be trading relievers. They are so volatile.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:09 PM) How is his defense? If his defense is good he is a great 4th OF guy with speed . Capable defender in left and center with his speed, he does have a weak arm though. Makes him a liability in right. I like him as a good forth outfielder

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:07 PM) If they love Rutherford and it was the only way to acquire him? Sox fans should be thrilled. We have no use for kahnle or Robertson outside of them being trade chips. Getting Rutherford, clarkin, polo is very solid

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:04 PM) Tito Polo Hitting .300 at the AA level with 26 SB, about to turn 23. Also has 25 XBH so far this year Polo is a talented player with sneaky pop and good speed. I think he ends up playing a role in the majors as a solid forth outfielder.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:53 PM) Same. Blake Rutherford is making it hard for me to dislike it at all though. Love him as a prospect. Wanted the sox to draft him last year in fact. I really wanted Kyle Lewis last year instead of Collins. I still think he will be a quality player.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:52 PM) Also from a Sox perspective it makes sense because of Cooper. Cooper has had great success "fixing" guys with great stuff. Sox can get him a new crop next year and maybe they can flip 1 or 2 for more prospects. That's the great part about sucking, you can take risks on talent and maybe hit a lottery ticket. Soxtalk would fall into chaos if this deal falls apart

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:43 PM) Agreed. I'm shocked at the response here Kahnle could easily regress back to his normal form at any point. Robertson does nothing for a rebuilding club, and Frazier is a pure rental. This is a great great deal for the Sox

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:13 PM) Come on. Obviously the return matters, but we are absolutely overvaluing the pieces we're giving up here if you expect multiple top prospects to come back. Turning Frazier, Robertson and kahnle into Rutherford, clarkin, polo and clippard it's a great move by hahn and co No money expected to change hands

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:10 PM) Who the f*** is Tito Polo? Yankees outfield prospect. Played in the world baseball classic for Colombia with quintana. I like him as a forth outfielder well can play several positions.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:08 PM) Tito Polo? Tito polo was pulled in forth inning of good game earlier today, rumored to be final piece.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:03 PM) I've given you all the evidence and reasoning that I can. I'm trying to make a distinction between a team like the Sox or Cubs that decides it will prioritize building up its minor leagues over its MLB team (this will always make you lose as a side effect) and the idea that you should make a concerted effort to lose as many games as possible regardless of whether that effort improves your organization. The Cubs would have waited longer to call up Rizzo if they wanted to lose more. They wouldn't have thrown a bunch of money at Edwin Jackson (as it turns out, that helped the losing! oops!). But they let the wins happen because they knew the rebuilding process would keep their draft position in a high-value place regardless. What I think is stupid is the idea of intentionally slow-walking player development, refusing to use the bullpen in a smart way, or dumping decent MLB performers for no return in hopes of generating extra losses. Or, as a general rule, rooting against your team. They'll lose enough without anyone trying to make it happen if you're trading away every veteran who isn't nailed down. Rumors of Tito polo bring final piece. I like him if so as prospect. Played of for Colombia in wbc.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:32 PM) He suddenly became bad, huh? He was solid forever I need more to this deal than Rutherford and clarkin

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc. Sherman reporting no money expected to change hands in the deal. Rutherford was included in q trade talks.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:26 PM) Damn, glad to see Inwas wrong and Rutherford is in the deal. I just hope Clarkin isn't the second biggest piece coming our way. Can't imagine Dave would react the way he did if he was. Also, how crazy is it that Basabe was our #1 OF prospect two months ago and now we have three guys in the top 50. Hell, Basabe probably would be ranked #6 now if I had to guess. 2020 outfield of Jimenez, Robert, Rutherford = F*CK YES!

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:23 PM) I stand firmly by the position that losing on purpose is stupid. You want to win even if you're not actively trying to put good players on your MLB roster. The losing is a byproduct of the restocking of the system. You want fans to come out and see wins and you want your players to play well in tough situations whenever they present themselves. I need more than Rutherford and clarkin. Deal is missing one more quality piece.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:14 PM) Looks like the sox are going to releasing a few fringe prospects in the system. If you told me last August that the Sox would have the to farm system in baseball and would trade Frazier, drob and kahnle for a huge package I would have never believed it... Holy crap

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) Remember when Todd was a healthy scratch? This night just got beyond memorable. I thought we'd dump Frazier for fringe prospects... Wow

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:11 PM) Clarkin would make a ton of sense. I'll take that south paw. Rutherford + clarkin + what else??

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:08 PM) Rutherford confirmed The #Yankees are sending outfielder Blake Rutherford, their first-round pick in 2016, to the #WhiteSox as part of the deal. Soxtalk needs to now down and start worshipping hahn if we get Rutherford ++ package