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QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc. Sherman reporting no money expected to change hands in the deal. Rutherford was included in q trade talks.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:26 PM) Damn, glad to see Inwas wrong and Rutherford is in the deal. I just hope Clarkin isn't the second biggest piece coming our way. Can't imagine Dave would react the way he did if he was. Also, how crazy is it that Basabe was our #1 OF prospect two months ago and now we have three guys in the top 50. Hell, Basabe probably would be ranked #6 now if I had to guess. 2020 outfield of Jimenez, Robert, Rutherford = F*CK YES!

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:23 PM) I stand firmly by the position that losing on purpose is stupid. You want to win even if you're not actively trying to put good players on your MLB roster. The losing is a byproduct of the restocking of the system. You want fans to come out and see wins and you want your players to play well in tough situations whenever they present themselves. I need more than Rutherford and clarkin. Deal is missing one more quality piece.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:14 PM) Looks like the sox are going to releasing a few fringe prospects in the system. If you told me last August that the Sox would have the to farm system in baseball and would trade Frazier, drob and kahnle for a huge package I would have never believed it... Holy crap

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) Remember when Todd was a healthy scratch? This night just got beyond memorable. I thought we'd dump Frazier for fringe prospects... Wow

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:11 PM) Clarkin would make a ton of sense. I'll take that south paw. Rutherford + clarkin + what else??

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:08 PM) Rutherford confirmed The #Yankees are sending outfielder Blake Rutherford, their first-round pick in 2016, to the #WhiteSox as part of the deal. Soxtalk needs to now down and start worshipping hahn if we get Rutherford ++ package

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:01 PM) Idk. Hahn has been pretty clear about sticking to his guns on a fair return from his controllable assets. My phone is going to ton out of freaking battery from refreshing. This is totally nuts

QUOTE (Scoots @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:59 PM) This is so epic lol. Let's goooooooooo!!!! Stock that farm!!! I just love that Hahn is probably pinning Boston and NY off each other. Holy f*ck. Blockbuster in the works

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:46 PM) Nice That was a fake Rosenthal account. No trade just yet.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:43 PM) Have a feeling lakins is involved Deal done. Chavis, lakins, cash and ptbnl for Frazier and Robertson Wait that was a fake Rosenthal account :/

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:39 PM) He tweets in riddles now. I unfollowed him. Bruce Levine tweeting about potential Frazier and Robertson deal to red Sox. Says the money is right.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:31 PM) Todd Frazier is a healthy scratch He gone

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:26 PM) Sickels has Lugo as a B- and the other guy as a D and the other guy unrated. I guess not awful, but as someone said maybe you just take the comp pick you should be able to find a B or B+ guy there, maybe even more. Weak package for the tigers. This is not a great market to be selling position player rentals. Pitching in the other hand...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:13 PM) Lugo is a pretty good prospect Dbacks have a weak farm. Surprised the tigers didn't get more, although not many buyers on the market right now for position players. Can never have too much pitching though.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:13 PM) Another laudatory fangrphs article on Kahnle today...comparing him to Andrew Miller. Reading that, don't want to trade him quite yet. Solid offer comes around you deal him. Relievers are so volatile.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 04:39 PM) LOL did he really? That's pretty bad. I would decline the deal if only centered around Chavis, who I think will not be able to stick at 3B. His defense is not good and is pretty much a bat only player.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) I thought Nightengale had them getting Groome and Chavis? Kahnle would make up most of the value of that package (over Frazier). I tend to think you're right that he hasn't gone unnoticed. The stuff and numbers are way too good to just brush off. Also have to believe some of the scouts supposedly checking out Robertson (there's been a crazy amount) are there for Kahnle or both. Robertson is a pretty known quantity. Seems overkill to have scouts all over the sox if it's just that. Team's have noticed Kahnle, no doubt. It's whether they are willing to trade significant prospects based off of his breakout 2017 is the question?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) Arenado is likely gone after next season so I doubt he'd block McMahon. But here's Longenhagen's writeup on McMahon: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-24-pros...lorado-rockies/ That article was written before McMahon went off and is batting .356 - .402 - .597 in 2017

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) He hit for low average (.264) last year, but showed power (12 HR) in low A. Sox were hoping he could build on his solid numbers from 2016, but he has taken a step backwards against better high A competition. He is young for the level, and repeating should help him. Next season will be very telling if he is a trending towards bust or still a prospect.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) Good post. I agree with most of it. But Adam Eaton is really really good; much better than a good OF. His contract makes him an incredible asset, injury be damned. But I agree - it was probably the best trade. That being said, I think the Sox expected more out of Basabe this year. There was a a lot of chatter about him being a top 50ish prospect by 2018. That obviously isn't going to happen. Basabe is the classic toolshed prospect who is missing a hit tool. To his benefit he is playing most of this season as a 20 year old in A+ ball. He is very likely to repeat in Winston Salem next season and will need to show considerable improvement with the hit tool. His stock is down for sure.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 03:05 PM) By the way, if the rebuild is just a smoke screen to lower payroll, then why in the world did the White Sox pay $50 million to acquire Robert? That would make zero sense if they're only concerned about making profits. That one move completely shatters your entire theory. This whole thread is way premature. There is no way to evaluate the rebuild when we are still much closer to the beginning of the process than the end. Given what opportunities have been available, I feel the organization has done its best to reload our farm system with young/controllable talent. It remains be be seen how that talent develops over the coming years.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:43 PM) Hopefully Frazier and Robertson/Kahnle goes to one of them, Robertson/Kahnle goes to the other, and the White Sox end up with 3-4 quality prospects out of it, 2-3 of which are hitters. Bats are great, but I'd certainly be interested in adding arms as well. Our AA club is devoid of any real positional prospects right now, and I think the system could use more quality left handed pitching prospects.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) More risk (flop risk) with Kahnle. I think the value is on the Kahnle side, but the market would price them approximately equally. Have not heard any rumors so far about Kahnle, so not sure what the market thinks. I'm sure Hahn has received interest, but he's not an easy player to assign value to given his breakout season. I'd be totally open to dealing him, as the "always be trading relievers" saying goes.

QUOTE (striker @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 01:33 PM) I did a twitter poll. Avi + Robertson for Kelly, Flaherty, Bader https://twitter.com/paulriker/status/886778081511452672 Surprisingly, most say White Sox say no. I actually think the Cardinals would say no. You might be able to get Kelly + some lower level guys like Perez, Alcantara and Hudson before you could get Flaherty and Bader. I would definitely deal Avi + DRob for Kelly + Flaherty + Bader, but I doubt St. Louis would do that deal