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QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:01 PM) Idk. Hahn has been pretty clear about sticking to his guns on a fair return from his controllable assets. My phone is going to ton out of freaking battery from refreshing. This is totally nuts

QUOTE (Scoots @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:59 PM) This is so epic lol. Let's goooooooooo!!!! Stock that farm!!! I just love that Hahn is probably pinning Boston and NY off each other. Holy f*ck. Blockbuster in the works

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:46 PM) Nice That was a fake Rosenthal account. No trade just yet.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:43 PM) Have a feeling lakins is involved Deal done. Chavis, lakins, cash and ptbnl for Frazier and Robertson Wait that was a fake Rosenthal account :/

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:39 PM) He tweets in riddles now. I unfollowed him. Bruce Levine tweeting about potential Frazier and Robertson deal to red Sox. Says the money is right.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:31 PM) Todd Frazier is a healthy scratch He gone

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:26 PM) Sickels has Lugo as a B- and the other guy as a D and the other guy unrated. I guess not awful, but as someone said maybe you just take the comp pick you should be able to find a B or B+ guy there, maybe even more. Weak package for the tigers. This is not a great market to be selling position player rentals. Pitching in the other hand...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:13 PM) Lugo is a pretty good prospect Dbacks have a weak farm. Surprised the tigers didn't get more, although not many buyers on the market right now for position players. Can never have too much pitching though.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:13 PM) Another laudatory fangrphs article on Kahnle today...comparing him to Andrew Miller. Reading that, don't want to trade him quite yet. Solid offer comes around you deal him. Relievers are so volatile.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 04:39 PM) LOL did he really? That's pretty bad. I would decline the deal if only centered around Chavis, who I think will not be able to stick at 3B. His defense is not good and is pretty much a bat only player.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) I thought Nightengale had them getting Groome and Chavis? Kahnle would make up most of the value of that package (over Frazier). I tend to think you're right that he hasn't gone unnoticed. The stuff and numbers are way too good to just brush off. Also have to believe some of the scouts supposedly checking out Robertson (there's been a crazy amount) are there for Kahnle or both. Robertson is a pretty known quantity. Seems overkill to have scouts all over the sox if it's just that. Team's have noticed Kahnle, no doubt. It's whether they are willing to trade significant prospects based off of his breakout 2017 is the question?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) Arenado is likely gone after next season so I doubt he'd block McMahon. But here's Longenhagen's writeup on McMahon: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-24-pros...lorado-rockies/ That article was written before McMahon went off and is batting .356 - .402 - .597 in 2017

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) He hit for low average (.264) last year, but showed power (12 HR) in low A. Sox were hoping he could build on his solid numbers from 2016, but he has taken a step backwards against better high A competition. He is young for the level, and repeating should help him. Next season will be very telling if he is a trending towards bust or still a prospect.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) Good post. I agree with most of it. But Adam Eaton is really really good; much better than a good OF. His contract makes him an incredible asset, injury be damned. But I agree - it was probably the best trade. That being said, I think the Sox expected more out of Basabe this year. There was a a lot of chatter about him being a top 50ish prospect by 2018. That obviously isn't going to happen. Basabe is the classic toolshed prospect who is missing a hit tool. To his benefit he is playing most of this season as a 20 year old in A+ ball. He is very likely to repeat in Winston Salem next season and will need to show considerable improvement with the hit tool. His stock is down for sure.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 03:05 PM) By the way, if the rebuild is just a smoke screen to lower payroll, then why in the world did the White Sox pay $50 million to acquire Robert? That would make zero sense if they're only concerned about making profits. That one move completely shatters your entire theory. This whole thread is way premature. There is no way to evaluate the rebuild when we are still much closer to the beginning of the process than the end. Given what opportunities have been available, I feel the organization has done its best to reload our farm system with young/controllable talent. It remains be be seen how that talent develops over the coming years.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:43 PM) Hopefully Frazier and Robertson/Kahnle goes to one of them, Robertson/Kahnle goes to the other, and the White Sox end up with 3-4 quality prospects out of it, 2-3 of which are hitters. Bats are great, but I'd certainly be interested in adding arms as well. Our AA club is devoid of any real positional prospects right now, and I think the system could use more quality left handed pitching prospects.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) More risk (flop risk) with Kahnle. I think the value is on the Kahnle side, but the market would price them approximately equally. Have not heard any rumors so far about Kahnle, so not sure what the market thinks. I'm sure Hahn has received interest, but he's not an easy player to assign value to given his breakout season. I'd be totally open to dealing him, as the "always be trading relievers" saying goes.

QUOTE (striker @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 01:33 PM) I did a twitter poll. Avi + Robertson for Kelly, Flaherty, Bader https://twitter.com/paulriker/status/886778081511452672 Surprisingly, most say White Sox say no. I actually think the Cardinals would say no. You might be able to get Kelly + some lower level guys like Perez, Alcantara and Hudson before you could get Flaherty and Bader. I would definitely deal Avi + DRob for Kelly + Flaherty + Bader, but I doubt St. Louis would do that deal

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) I think the Eaton deal easily has the lowest likelihood of regret by far. If one of the pitchers reachers their ceilings or two perform 75% of peak protection we win easy. Sale is a Kopech injury from getting hairy. You really need Moncada to be a star. Sale has been the best player in baseball this year. Basabe/Diaz made up what I thought to be a surprisingly weak backend and their stock has gone way done since joining our Sox. Q trade is basically if Jimenez is as advertised we win and anything else from the package is gravy. Moncada absolutely must pan out an be an above average mlb regular, or Kopech discovers how to harness his stuff and becomes a quality starter for that deal to make sense. Basabe/Diaz arrows are certainly trending downward. Eaton deal looks to be the best, as we received three players that all have the potential to become starting and/or mlb contributors. Eaton's injury aside, I'm not sure the Nationals do not end up regretting sending three quality arms they could have used in a few years to the Sox. Outside of Fedde/Watson/Romero their system is very weak on arms after dealing Luzardo as well. Q deal is 100% Jimenez or nothing basically. If he does not pan out we screwed up. Cease is a long way away from the majors, and I feel he likely ends up in the pen. Flete/Rose are organizational depth for a team that plans on contending.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) Not sure if this was posted yet but saw got on Bleacher Report. Nightingales predictions for the trade deadline. Someone said it was interesting he names Groome and Chavis as the prospects for Frazier and D-Rob, well he doubles up here. TODD FRaZIER It’s no secret that the Boston Red Sox committed a huge blunder trading third baseman Travis Shaw to the Milwaukee Brewers during the winter, and even a bigger one when they shelled out $95 million to Pablo Sandoval less than three years ago, only to designate him for assignment last week. It wound up costing them $6.8 million for every home run and $1.6 million every RBI. They’re now going with a third-base platoon of Brock Holt and Deven Marrero, and are waiting for elite third base prospect Rafael Devers to arrive, but they need to take care of this black hole quickly as possible. They are trying to decide between Todd Frazier of the Chicago White Sox, who’s a free agent after the season, and Miami Marlin Martin Prado, who still is owed $28.5 million after this year. Prediction: The Red Sox would love to acquire Frazier and closer David Robertson to be Craig Kimbrel’s setup man, but it would cost No. 2 prospect Jason Groome and No. 9 prospect Michael Chavis. If they instead take reliever Tommy Kahnle and Frazier, they would have to give up only Chavis and a fringe prospect. I'm not sure I would sell Kahnle for Chavis + fringe prospect. Chavis has certainly hit well this season, but his defense is still suspect committing 14 errors in 38 games at 3B. He looks like a 1B/DH prospect to me, which limits his value.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:40 AM) do we have to throw in money? are bids going up as suitors # increase? or are there other relievers diluting things out there? Money is one point that I'm sure will be negotiated over. The Sox should be open to picking up some of the money if it helps with the return. I'm not concerned about finding a taker for Robertson, relief help is always in demand at the deadline.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 03:27 PM) Cease was getting close to a shutdown with the Cubs due to innings. He is over his innings from last year. I guess they didn't want to go too much higher. I wonder how differently the Sox handle him if at all. Unlikely that the Sox let Cease throw more than about 100 innings this season. They want to be careful with him and bring him along slowly. Expect him to start 2018 in high A ball, with the chance to see AA mid season.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:14 AM) I am not a prospects guy. I like proven players, though not many hitters are truly elite and not many pitchers are truly elite any more. That said, a lot of you are prospects people so I ask you, since so many gave the rebuild a 9 or 10 in this thread: Taking all the talent the Sox have acquired into consideration and assuming we keep Abreu around as well as Rodon and Anderson ... can you assure me 1 to 3 World Series appearances only taking the guys we acquired and our homegrown minor leaguers into consideration as well as the fact the Sox are sure to get some more good prospects for David Robertson and maybe Melky? Can you assure me 1-3 World Series appearances and/or WS titles? I gave the rebuild 2 so far cause I need proof and I am not a prospects guy. Where do "proven" players come from? They all were prospects at some point. You cannot go out and field a team entirely of free agents, you need cost controlled quality production from young players mixed with veterans to win in the mlb. Depth is very important as well. The Sox are trying to build a team that competes each year, what more can you ask for?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 09:10 PM) Robles was pulled in the 4th inning tonight. Just saw that. Any rumors, or injury related???

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 07:02 PM) I don't think it would have been unreasonable for the Sox to not have valued Albies as highly as some of the prospect publications. I think his upside is somewhat lower compared to Moncada and Jimenez I really like albies as a prospect, but if the Sox plan on keeping Anderson at sand moncada at 2b I can see why they would prefer Jimenez