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QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 06:25 PM) I think Albies, Allard/Soroka, and two other non-zero MLB chance pieces would've been better than the Cubs trade. But I can also see why you might take the topheavy package in that scenario. I doubt Allard or soroka were offered in the package. Otherwise I think a deal might have had legs.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 06:12 PM) They weren't. If the Braves were to offer them both for Quintana, Jose would've been a Brave the second Hahn received the offer. Some consider Acuna to be the best prospect in baseball right now, and they might have a point. Braves were rumored to dangle albies, who I really like. Who knows what else was in the package though?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) Speaking of Phil Rogers, I watched a panel the other day after the Q trade and the question was who was the next to go from the White Sox, everyone was saying either Robertson or Frazier, but Phil said Avi. I don't know if that means Avi will retire a White Sox or Phil knows something. I would be open to trading Avi if the price were right for sure.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 03:22 PM) Think Nightengale was pure speculation or fed some KW info? Seems like speculation to me.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 02:32 PM) Rays are interested in Justin Wilson. I'd deal them Robertson for Jesus Sanchez

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 02:13 PM) Intersting comment. Is Anderson a potential bust? A likely bust? I would consider him a top five prospect right now in the organization until he proves unworthy. Anderson is only 24 years old, way too soon to call him a bust. Young players will struggle at times, but you have to trust that they will come around eventually.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) They are a little more than a month apart in age. I like Jimenez's lower K rate and believe he is better bet to hit for power long term. Myrtle Beach is allegedly a park that heavily favors pitchers, and he put up solid numbers there. I like the idea of finding some LH OF bats to complement what the Sox are putting together, but I think Jimenez is the superior hitting prospect long term. Tucker is a very good prospect as well, but I would give the slight edge to Jimenez at this point. Scouts seem very convinced that the power will play up for Jimenez. Jimenez is really showing an improved approach at the plate and is willing to take walks instead of just selling out for power. He's going to be a fun player to follow.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) I watched something the other day, the do not want to call up Devers. They called on Moncada last year and it didn't work out so well. Maybe next season, that is why Frazier's rental status is more appealing. Devers is unlikely to get called up in 2017. He's only 20 years old and still has a ways to go defensively after committing 13 errors in 66 games.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 12:49 PM) Still think it was just a prediction. If that deal from the Red Sox was actually proposed by Boston, we wouldn't be reading about it in the rumor section of this site. It would be a done deal! I think a nice takeaway is that they are possibly talking about adding one of our RPs to the deal so we get a better return. Although Ockimey was a solid piece to the rumored Frazier-only deal. The makeup concerns surrounding Groome only get more pronounced since his dad was arrested recently on serious charges. I'm not sure about him anymore.

QUOTE (pablo @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) Rather than research for myself - did Chavis make any offseason prospect rankings? Midseason prospect rankings? Chavis is in the top 100 in baseball America mid season

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 12:14 PM) Nightengale predicted Kahnle/Frazier for Groome/Chavis I'd take that deal in a heartbeat

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 11:43 AM) I am not suggesting that Hahn did NOT have other choices. To the contrary, I am stating that he did. One of the choices was to not make that breathless trade with Epstein and to simply wait to trade Quintana. Epstein became desperate to deal for a starter. The return was not overwhelming. No one can say that Quintana would have had any less trade value this week than he did last week...including to the cubs. Quintana will not win a World Series for the cubs but he may put them in a good position to get into the play-offs. Chalk up one big win already along with the emotional turn around of the team after getting that shot in the arm. Go ahead and root for the cubs . I guess the rest of us will wait for 2019 when You realize how much potential Eloy Jimenez and Dylan Cease have, right? Jimenez is a consensus top 10 overall prospect with the potential to be a monster for us in a few years. Cease still has plenty to prove, but his pure stuff has frontline starter potential/impact reliever potential. Who cares who we traded Q to? We should be worried about the return to the Sox, nothing else. Hahn said this was by far the best overall package offered, you take it and move on to the next deal.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 10:33 AM) Trade him. Relievers value is so volatile from year to year that you have to cash in when you can. The Sox aren't competing as long is Kahnle is controlled so you might as well get some value to supplement what you are building. I'm firmly in the trade him camp, but only if the return is reasonable. I'm not asking for a stupid package, but I would need at least one quality prospect back.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 09:38 AM) I have been one saying our trade proposals are always 50% too much on here (recently much less so, seems like we've gotten a handle on market), but I actually think Kahnle will return a nice value back. I think it will be less than if he showed off as closer for a year, but, we are 4 months from when we thought nate jones would get us 2 top 100 players. Now we forget he's on team. If we are getting a top 10 team prospect that the white sox like a lot and a young projectable player, I would pull trigger. I'm so sick of the Nate Jones, Jesse Crain situations that keep happening to us. Agreed bmags. Part of me is hoping we keep Kahnle and let him build value as a closer, but then I remembered the wise saying "Always be trading relievers" Relief pitching is so incredibly volatile that I'm not sure we wait if a reasonable offer is made.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 05:20 PM) It honestly surprises me how much unanimity there is everywhere on Kopech being a top 25 or better prospect in all of baseball. There's no doubting the prodigious talent and the true ace potential, so don't get me wrong because I'm very glad to have him around. But for me, I need to see a pitcher have a walk rate that is somewhere below alarmingly high before I put him in that top level. The only stint in which Kopech had an acceptable walk rate was when he pitched 65 innings in low-A in 2015 (3.74 BB/9, which isn't exactly low but is workable). Otherwise, he's had 5.93 BB/9 (2014, Rookie), 5.02 BB/9 (2016, A+), and 5.87 BB/9 (2017, AA). That's not to ignore his equally-amazing K rate at these levels, but to me I don't see him any higher than, say, 40 or 50 on a top 100 due to these problems. By analogy, I see it like a hitting prospect with a .900 OPS and a bunch of homers but 35% K% at each level. You love the production, but you fear how the strikeout rate has such a big chance of ruining it all. Looking at it another way, Kopech hasn't had a single start this year in which he had fewer than *2* walks. His issues with walks have been remarkably consistent. He's had 6 starts with 2 walks, 3 with 3 walks, 6 with 4 walks, and 2 with 5 walks. There's very little variation, he just always has walks. And in 3 of his starts with only 2 walks, he hit one or more batters. I just want to see a run of starts with good command, but with him hitting his innings wall I don't know that we'll see it this year. I'm with you, but kopech is only 21 years old and should be given time to work on harnessing his great stuff. Pure ceiling is a true number one starting power pitcher, which is absolutely worth some risk. He likely will begin 2018 in AAA and still be young for that level. He should be ready for MLB at some point in 2019.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 04:59 PM) Probs controversial but I do think we will catch the phillies. They underperformed imo, in the first half. We often overperformed. They have nola back. We have a maybe healthy rodon and garbage. If our promotions play well then maybe its moot. But I expect a run for #1. I won't rule it out, especially if we deal Frazier, drob, swarzak, kahnle, melky, etc soon. Our bullpen will be a total mess, blowing games regularly. The 2018 draft is looking to be stronger than 2017 as well. I could see us winning roughly 60 games

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 01:19 PM) Seriously. Especially when our bullpen is gone. I'm gunning for a top three draft pick for sure. Without Frazier, Quintana, Robertson, swarzak and possibly kahnle or melky we will be a pretty awful team. I don't think the sox will catch the phillies, but top three is very realistic.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:11 AM) I don't want to keep Kahnle. Between what happened with Jesse Crain and now Nate Jones, I'd rather just get it done. With Kahnle we have to worry about both regression and health. I'd like to move him as well, but would need a quality return. Robertson will certainly go first though.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 03:55 PM) Maybe they found a way to get Calhoun I'd love a Calhoun or Diaz for Robertson deal

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) I just think it's weird to go out a limb like that. Tweet I would expect: White Sox looking for a top prospect or two in return for David Robertson. And they think they can get it. Tweet we received: Sox will get at least one top 100 prospect for Robertson. This just after good but not top 100 guys were traded for 2 good bullpen guys. Just weird. The price tag for hand is very high, making Robertson an attractive piece, especially if the sox kick in any cash.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) Seriously. Optimistically you'd want to hope this come from knowledge that there are some already on the table. But maybe even it's coming out of Nats saying they would have had to give one up for DRob? Weird timing and content. I don't feel like you see a prediction that explicit (top 100) Likely speculating on the price. I'd be thrilled to land a top 100 prospect for him

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 01:27 PM) I actually like the return for Oakland. Luzardo is the classic wild card type for a reliever but he has pitched since his Tommy John and in 13 ip has 15ks and zero walks. Neuse is doing better than Ward(offseason offer for Robertson w/Luzardo) Trienen could regain form. I would have at least listened at this for Robertson + Swarzak. From Nats point, they get a LHP with more years of control than Swarzak. The Nats also get two weeks to see if this fixes things. Good move by rizzo to get two solid arms and not sell the farm. Keeping Robles, Soto, Fedde and kieboom was key.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 12:01 PM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Prospects headed to #Athletics from #Nationals are LH Jesus Lazardo and 3B Sheldon Neuse. Those two plus Treinen for Doolittle, Madson. Might still have interest in Robertson, but deal far less likely now.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 02:42 PM) I want the sox to lose all their remaining games. I'd like to see Rodon have good success to build on. Everyone else can lose every start for all I care.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 04:30 PM) Sucks for him but it's not the worst thing in the world for the team. He's pretty close to majors anyways but we aren't competing for the next year and a half. This only delays his service time to align more with the younger guys. TJ is not the death sentence it used to be. Most guys come back fine in 12-14 months from it.