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QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) I think the Eaton deal easily has the lowest likelihood of regret by far. If one of the pitchers reachers their ceilings or two perform 75% of peak protection we win easy. Sale is a Kopech injury from getting hairy. You really need Moncada to be a star. Sale has been the best player in baseball this year. Basabe/Diaz made up what I thought to be a surprisingly weak backend and their stock has gone way done since joining our Sox. Q trade is basically if Jimenez is as advertised we win and anything else from the package is gravy. Moncada absolutely must pan out an be an above average mlb regular, or Kopech discovers how to harness his stuff and becomes a quality starter for that deal to make sense. Basabe/Diaz arrows are certainly trending downward. Eaton deal looks to be the best, as we received three players that all have the potential to become starting and/or mlb contributors. Eaton's injury aside, I'm not sure the Nationals do not end up regretting sending three quality arms they could have used in a few years to the Sox. Outside of Fedde/Watson/Romero their system is very weak on arms after dealing Luzardo as well. Q deal is 100% Jimenez or nothing basically. If he does not pan out we screwed up. Cease is a long way away from the majors, and I feel he likely ends up in the pen. Flete/Rose are organizational depth for a team that plans on contending.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) Not sure if this was posted yet but saw got on Bleacher Report. Nightingales predictions for the trade deadline. Someone said it was interesting he names Groome and Chavis as the prospects for Frazier and D-Rob, well he doubles up here. TODD FRaZIER It’s no secret that the Boston Red Sox committed a huge blunder trading third baseman Travis Shaw to the Milwaukee Brewers during the winter, and even a bigger one when they shelled out $95 million to Pablo Sandoval less than three years ago, only to designate him for assignment last week. It wound up costing them $6.8 million for every home run and $1.6 million every RBI. They’re now going with a third-base platoon of Brock Holt and Deven Marrero, and are waiting for elite third base prospect Rafael Devers to arrive, but they need to take care of this black hole quickly as possible. They are trying to decide between Todd Frazier of the Chicago White Sox, who’s a free agent after the season, and Miami Marlin Martin Prado, who still is owed $28.5 million after this year. Prediction: The Red Sox would love to acquire Frazier and closer David Robertson to be Craig Kimbrel’s setup man, but it would cost No. 2 prospect Jason Groome and No. 9 prospect Michael Chavis. If they instead take reliever Tommy Kahnle and Frazier, they would have to give up only Chavis and a fringe prospect. I'm not sure I would sell Kahnle for Chavis + fringe prospect. Chavis has certainly hit well this season, but his defense is still suspect committing 14 errors in 38 games at 3B. He looks like a 1B/DH prospect to me, which limits his value.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:40 AM) do we have to throw in money? are bids going up as suitors # increase? or are there other relievers diluting things out there? Money is one point that I'm sure will be negotiated over. The Sox should be open to picking up some of the money if it helps with the return. I'm not concerned about finding a taker for Robertson, relief help is always in demand at the deadline.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 03:27 PM) Cease was getting close to a shutdown with the Cubs due to innings. He is over his innings from last year. I guess they didn't want to go too much higher. I wonder how differently the Sox handle him if at all. Unlikely that the Sox let Cease throw more than about 100 innings this season. They want to be careful with him and bring him along slowly. Expect him to start 2018 in high A ball, with the chance to see AA mid season.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:14 AM) I am not a prospects guy. I like proven players, though not many hitters are truly elite and not many pitchers are truly elite any more. That said, a lot of you are prospects people so I ask you, since so many gave the rebuild a 9 or 10 in this thread: Taking all the talent the Sox have acquired into consideration and assuming we keep Abreu around as well as Rodon and Anderson ... can you assure me 1 to 3 World Series appearances only taking the guys we acquired and our homegrown minor leaguers into consideration as well as the fact the Sox are sure to get some more good prospects for David Robertson and maybe Melky? Can you assure me 1-3 World Series appearances and/or WS titles? I gave the rebuild 2 so far cause I need proof and I am not a prospects guy. Where do "proven" players come from? They all were prospects at some point. You cannot go out and field a team entirely of free agents, you need cost controlled quality production from young players mixed with veterans to win in the mlb. Depth is very important as well. The Sox are trying to build a team that competes each year, what more can you ask for?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 09:10 PM) Robles was pulled in the 4th inning tonight. Just saw that. Any rumors, or injury related???

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 07:02 PM) I don't think it would have been unreasonable for the Sox to not have valued Albies as highly as some of the prospect publications. I think his upside is somewhat lower compared to Moncada and Jimenez I really like albies as a prospect, but if the Sox plan on keeping Anderson at sand moncada at 2b I can see why they would prefer Jimenez

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 06:25 PM) I think Albies, Allard/Soroka, and two other non-zero MLB chance pieces would've been better than the Cubs trade. But I can also see why you might take the topheavy package in that scenario. I doubt Allard or soroka were offered in the package. Otherwise I think a deal might have had legs.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 06:12 PM) They weren't. If the Braves were to offer them both for Quintana, Jose would've been a Brave the second Hahn received the offer. Some consider Acuna to be the best prospect in baseball right now, and they might have a point. Braves were rumored to dangle albies, who I really like. Who knows what else was in the package though?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) Speaking of Phil Rogers, I watched a panel the other day after the Q trade and the question was who was the next to go from the White Sox, everyone was saying either Robertson or Frazier, but Phil said Avi. I don't know if that means Avi will retire a White Sox or Phil knows something. I would be open to trading Avi if the price were right for sure.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 03:22 PM) Think Nightengale was pure speculation or fed some KW info? Seems like speculation to me.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 02:32 PM) Rays are interested in Justin Wilson. I'd deal them Robertson for Jesus Sanchez

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 02:13 PM) Intersting comment. Is Anderson a potential bust? A likely bust? I would consider him a top five prospect right now in the organization until he proves unworthy. Anderson is only 24 years old, way too soon to call him a bust. Young players will struggle at times, but you have to trust that they will come around eventually.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) They are a little more than a month apart in age. I like Jimenez's lower K rate and believe he is better bet to hit for power long term. Myrtle Beach is allegedly a park that heavily favors pitchers, and he put up solid numbers there. I like the idea of finding some LH OF bats to complement what the Sox are putting together, but I think Jimenez is the superior hitting prospect long term. Tucker is a very good prospect as well, but I would give the slight edge to Jimenez at this point. Scouts seem very convinced that the power will play up for Jimenez. Jimenez is really showing an improved approach at the plate and is willing to take walks instead of just selling out for power. He's going to be a fun player to follow.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) I watched something the other day, the do not want to call up Devers. They called on Moncada last year and it didn't work out so well. Maybe next season, that is why Frazier's rental status is more appealing. Devers is unlikely to get called up in 2017. He's only 20 years old and still has a ways to go defensively after committing 13 errors in 66 games.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 12:49 PM) Still think it was just a prediction. If that deal from the Red Sox was actually proposed by Boston, we wouldn't be reading about it in the rumor section of this site. It would be a done deal! I think a nice takeaway is that they are possibly talking about adding one of our RPs to the deal so we get a better return. Although Ockimey was a solid piece to the rumored Frazier-only deal. The makeup concerns surrounding Groome only get more pronounced since his dad was arrested recently on serious charges. I'm not sure about him anymore.

QUOTE (pablo @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) Rather than research for myself - did Chavis make any offseason prospect rankings? Midseason prospect rankings? Chavis is in the top 100 in baseball America mid season

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 12:14 PM) Nightengale predicted Kahnle/Frazier for Groome/Chavis I'd take that deal in a heartbeat

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 11:43 AM) I am not suggesting that Hahn did NOT have other choices. To the contrary, I am stating that he did. One of the choices was to not make that breathless trade with Epstein and to simply wait to trade Quintana. Epstein became desperate to deal for a starter. The return was not overwhelming. No one can say that Quintana would have had any less trade value this week than he did last week...including to the cubs. Quintana will not win a World Series for the cubs but he may put them in a good position to get into the play-offs. Chalk up one big win already along with the emotional turn around of the team after getting that shot in the arm. Go ahead and root for the cubs . I guess the rest of us will wait for 2019 when You realize how much potential Eloy Jimenez and Dylan Cease have, right? Jimenez is a consensus top 10 overall prospect with the potential to be a monster for us in a few years. Cease still has plenty to prove, but his pure stuff has frontline starter potential/impact reliever potential. Who cares who we traded Q to? We should be worried about the return to the Sox, nothing else. Hahn said this was by far the best overall package offered, you take it and move on to the next deal.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 10:33 AM) Trade him. Relievers value is so volatile from year to year that you have to cash in when you can. The Sox aren't competing as long is Kahnle is controlled so you might as well get some value to supplement what you are building. I'm firmly in the trade him camp, but only if the return is reasonable. I'm not asking for a stupid package, but I would need at least one quality prospect back.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 09:38 AM) I have been one saying our trade proposals are always 50% too much on here (recently much less so, seems like we've gotten a handle on market), but I actually think Kahnle will return a nice value back. I think it will be less than if he showed off as closer for a year, but, we are 4 months from when we thought nate jones would get us 2 top 100 players. Now we forget he's on team. If we are getting a top 10 team prospect that the white sox like a lot and a young projectable player, I would pull trigger. I'm so sick of the Nate Jones, Jesse Crain situations that keep happening to us. Agreed bmags. Part of me is hoping we keep Kahnle and let him build value as a closer, but then I remembered the wise saying "Always be trading relievers" Relief pitching is so incredibly volatile that I'm not sure we wait if a reasonable offer is made.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 05:20 PM) It honestly surprises me how much unanimity there is everywhere on Kopech being a top 25 or better prospect in all of baseball. There's no doubting the prodigious talent and the true ace potential, so don't get me wrong because I'm very glad to have him around. But for me, I need to see a pitcher have a walk rate that is somewhere below alarmingly high before I put him in that top level. The only stint in which Kopech had an acceptable walk rate was when he pitched 65 innings in low-A in 2015 (3.74 BB/9, which isn't exactly low but is workable). Otherwise, he's had 5.93 BB/9 (2014, Rookie), 5.02 BB/9 (2016, A+), and 5.87 BB/9 (2017, AA). That's not to ignore his equally-amazing K rate at these levels, but to me I don't see him any higher than, say, 40 or 50 on a top 100 due to these problems. By analogy, I see it like a hitting prospect with a .900 OPS and a bunch of homers but 35% K% at each level. You love the production, but you fear how the strikeout rate has such a big chance of ruining it all. Looking at it another way, Kopech hasn't had a single start this year in which he had fewer than *2* walks. His issues with walks have been remarkably consistent. He's had 6 starts with 2 walks, 3 with 3 walks, 6 with 4 walks, and 2 with 5 walks. There's very little variation, he just always has walks. And in 3 of his starts with only 2 walks, he hit one or more batters. I just want to see a run of starts with good command, but with him hitting his innings wall I don't know that we'll see it this year. I'm with you, but kopech is only 21 years old and should be given time to work on harnessing his great stuff. Pure ceiling is a true number one starting power pitcher, which is absolutely worth some risk. He likely will begin 2018 in AAA and still be young for that level. He should be ready for MLB at some point in 2019.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 04:59 PM) Probs controversial but I do think we will catch the phillies. They underperformed imo, in the first half. We often overperformed. They have nola back. We have a maybe healthy rodon and garbage. If our promotions play well then maybe its moot. But I expect a run for #1. I won't rule it out, especially if we deal Frazier, drob, swarzak, kahnle, melky, etc soon. Our bullpen will be a total mess, blowing games regularly. The 2018 draft is looking to be stronger than 2017 as well. I could see us winning roughly 60 games

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 01:19 PM) Seriously. Especially when our bullpen is gone. I'm gunning for a top three draft pick for sure. Without Frazier, Quintana, Robertson, swarzak and possibly kahnle or melky we will be a pretty awful team. I don't think the sox will catch the phillies, but top three is very realistic.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:11 AM) I don't want to keep Kahnle. Between what happened with Jesse Crain and now Nate Jones, I'd rather just get it done. With Kahnle we have to worry about both regression and health. I'd like to move him as well, but would need a quality return. Robertson will certainly go first though.