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I think it's about time we got Asche's mug off the banner... and inserted the future! Moncada, Jimenez and Kopech?

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 04:45 PM) What? Um, lets see, Yankees ( no one), Red Sox (Moreland) Tampa (LoMo), Houston (Gurriel), the Angels (if they think they are still in it with Trout returning), Seattle if they think they are still in it, Texas if they want to be in it. Heck, even the Dodgers could likely use him. I think the Sox would need a considerable package in order to move Abreu. I see them keeping him another season or two to mentor younger players, and as a potential bat to flip later

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 04:41 PM) Absolutely. Anyone who doesn't pan out can be supplemented by FA signings, since we'll have about 80mm+ to spend year over year. Don't even get me started on the potential of blowing our wad on a big time free agent. I don't know if I could handle our roster adding a Machado or Harper. C - Collins 1B - Sheets/Beer 2B - Moncada SS - Anderson 3B - Burger/Machado RF - Garcia/Harper CF - Robert LF - Jimenez DH - Sheets/Beer/Burger Holy F*ck

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) The Yankees just acquired Cooper from the Brewers. Don't think they plan to invest heavily into the position. Are we drinking the 2020 coolaid yet? C- Collins 1B - Sheets/Beer 2B - Moncada SS - Anderson 3B - Burger RF - Garcia CF - Robert LF - Jimenez DH - Sheets/Beer Bench - Basabe/Adolfo Kopech/Giolito/Lopez/Hansen/Cease/Dunning/Adams/Guerrero/Stephens/Flores Burdi/Fulmer Drinking the Coolaid by the gallon

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) Mayo on the Q trade link We all remember the days when whoever we drafted in the first round was immediately our #1 or #2 prospect. We can rejoice in knowing the system is currently so deep that Burger is not even in the 10 best prospects we have.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) Hahn would be crazy not to. I don't see Abreu's value being any higher than it currently is honestly. I expect him to regress to his numbers of the past two years by 2018, considering he will be another year above 30. You most definitely shop him and trade for what you can get. Sox will listen to offers on any player, but I doubt Abreu gets moved when guys like Alonso/Frazier are on the market Focus needs to be on dealing Robertson now

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) Curious as to why you rank the Astros so high, they seem to fall off pretty sharply after their top 7-8 or so. Tucker Martes Whitley Perez Fisher Alvarez Bukauskas Paulino Stubbs Hernandez Davis Moran Rodriguez Nova Valdez That is not a shabby system^^^

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) Mayo says burger, sheets, and skoug will all be top 100 on new list No way all three of those guys are top 100 overall prospects at this stage

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 03:07 PM) Jeff Passan says suck it. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/885591003155111936 I agree to an extent that the system has gotten much better, but... Acuna, Albies, Maitan, Demeritte, Riley, Pache, Waters, Jackson, Ruiz Allard, Soroka, Fried, Wright, Newcomb, Anderson Gohara, Wentz, Muller, Minter, Morris, Wilson, Toussaint, Weigel, Sims ^^^^All of those players could end up being potential major league players...that is frightening

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) KLaw said in chat it's likely Braves 1, Sox 2 I would rank the Braves #1, White Sox #2 right now, Astros/Yankees #3/4 Braves system is just so deep, which is what sets it apart. Their #1 through #20 are very legit, although our system is making huge strides.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 02:32 PM) Yeahhhh Kopech is going to come up fireballing and blowing people away. I think we'll be fine with that. Bittersweet dealing such a quality player and professional like Quintana. Instantly my favorite Cubs player and I wish him the best.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 02:32 PM) I disagree. I think Sale should have brought the better package and I think he did. I posted that Q should bring 60-75% of Sale. If Moncada and Kopech were top # 1 and 12 prospects in MLB and Jimenez and Cease are 8 and 63 that is a decent drop-off. In addition, Moncada had played AA and had already had a brief shot at the majors. I hoped we could get a 12-15 and a 25-30. I assume the 3 and 4 players in each deal are a wash. Regardless, I think Hahn got the best package he could and we move on to Robertson. When we traded for Moncada and Kopech, Kopech was the #30 overall prospect in the mlb. He has risen up the rankings both due to performance at AA, and a slew of guys getting called up above him. Cease's stock has certainly been on the rise as well. He is upto #63 overall and could very well finish the season in the top 50.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) Definitely looks like the Sox are targeting more volatile pitchers with big upside (Giolito/Kopech/Lopez/Hansen/Cease) to add to strike throwers like Guerrero, Adams and here recently, Dunning. The future rotation and bullpen is looking so promising. And now they've added Jimenez to Robert, Basabe, Call, Fisher etc for much needed outfield depth. Hell of a job so far by Hahn. Now let's hope Rizzo caves in so we can snag Soto or Kieboom from the Nats for Robertson or Kahnle. I'd definitely shop Robertson/Swarzak/Kahnle as we continue the fire sale I doubt Rizzo caves, but moving Q really opens things up in the trade markets now

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 02:10 PM) I did not think we would get a prospect to the caliber of Jimenez. I think the structure with the weaker back end was more in line with my expectations. People around here thought that the 3rd and 4th pieces would be notable spects. I did not. I was told he was the hold up and kind of thought the Cubs just wouldn't budge. Do you have any insight into what other packages were offered? When did it become apparent that the Cubs had taken the lead?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 02:10 PM) I did not think we would get a prospect to the caliber of Jimenez. I think the structure with the weaker back end was more in line with my expectations. People around here thought that the 3rd and 4th pieces would be notable spects. I did not. I was told he was the hold up and kind of thought the Cubs just wouldn't budge. MLB.com needs to update the prospect list so we can all sit back and admire

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 02:10 PM) I did not think we would get a prospect to the caliber of Jimenez. I think the structure with the weaker back end was more in line with my expectations. People around here thought that the 3rd and 4th pieces would be notable spects. I did not. I was told he was the hold up and kind of thought the Cubs just wouldn't budge. I admittedly did not think we would land a top 10 overall prospect for Quintana either.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) The Cubs should've paid Chris Sale price for Jose Quintana is my point. And no, not because of "some silly rivalry", but because of the additional revenue and market share loss the Sox will suffer as a result of this trade, all of which is going to go directly to the Cubs. Why would the Cubs bid against themselves? Jimenez/Cease was easily the two best prospects offered to the White Sox Who cares where we traded Q to, heck we should be happy he is out of the American League.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) Not really, Basabe and Diaz at least had some projection to them. Matt Rose is a 1B with low average and high K issues, not to mention an OBP below .300. Bryant Flete is a half step from org filler. Jimenez and Cease are exciting, but this is nowhere near the Sale package (as Jimenez and Cease are essentially Moncada-lite and Kopech-lite), and that's what the Cubs should've had to pay. I'm not so certain about that. Some scouts recently said Jimenez could end up being better than Moncada. Cease has been rocketing up prospects lists and features two plus pitches already. If the changeup develops he has frontline potential. Moncada + Kopech + Basabe + Diaz is a little bit better, but not by miles, than Jimenez + Cease + Rose + Flete I'd say we got 85-90% of the value we received for Sale, which is all we could ever hope for.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:39 PM) LOL, no Rick Hahn. I mean, kudos for trying, but nooooo. Similar to asking Dombrowski for Betts at the deadline last year...just not going to happen haha I'll miss Quintana, but this absolutely was the right move for us to make for the rebuild. The White Sox have played the market perfectly so far, getting great packages for all of their major chips. Tank the rest of 2017, draft well, tank 2018, draft well, 2019 show some progress, 2020 here we come! We will have huge amounts of payroll flexibility moving forward, a core of young cost controlled players, and prospects galore.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) Eh.. I consider lotto tickets the variety of lower lewel spects who are younger, maybe struggled or struggling but has potential upside. These guys are more likely filler, although Rose as I've said earlier could be a diamond in the rough. Lotto tickets in the sense that they are not likely to impact the mlb roster, but you never know? Sometimes those throw in guys end up panning out.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:33 PM) I'd put Kopech in the 18/19 pool. There is zero change we see him in 17, and I'd say its unlikely we see him in 18. How nice is it to see our farm system now???? My guess is the rankings will look like: 1) Moncada 2) Jimenez 3) Kopech 4) Giolito 5) Robert 6) Lopez 7) Collins 8) Cease 9) Hansen 10) Dunning 11) Burger 12) Adams 13) Fulmer 14) Burdi 15) Guerrero 16) Sheets 17) Stephens 18) Basabe 19) Flores 20) Adolfo

QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) I look at the White Sox Pitching Prospects as 2 waves 2017/2018 1. Lopez 2. Kopech 3. Giolito 4. Guerrero 5. Stephens 2018/2019 1.Dunning 2.Hansen 3.Cease 4.Flores I would expect the White Sox to add one more to this group by the July 31st deadline. Also, Put me in the category that Kahlne gets traded for a good package now. I think with what happend to Jones you realize how quickly value could evaporate. Many of us thought that Jones could have equal value to Robertson. No Adams in that mix? He has really turned the corner this year. I'd rank him above Flores, Stephens, Hansen and Fulmer in terms of remaining a starting pitcher

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) Gut reaction is an asset like Q should never be traded to the Cubs, especially without them paying WELL over market value. Not sure how I feel about the return yet, want to do a deeper dig on the prospects before coming to a conclusion there. Dude. We got Eloy Jimenez, a consensus top 10 mlb overall prospect. Huge power potential. Dylan Cease has very good stuff and is only 21 years old. Add him into our mix of exciting young arms. The other two are lotto tickets. Quintana is an excellent pitcher, but we got a massive return...nearly as much as we did for Sale.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) Add to that list, not that it's direct from any player, a likely top 5 draft pick next year. Have Bozo the Clown take Q's rotation spot for all I care. I want to finish this tank job off the right way and end up with a top 3 pick.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 11:59 AM) Great post! Sox were the only team out there actively selling off premium pieces when many teams should have been more proactive. Hahn waited, and ended up getting a major return. Sale/Eaton/Quintana netted the Sox: Moncada Kopech Basabe Diaz Giolito Lopez Dunning Jimenez Cease Rose Flete Combine that with signing Luis Robert, and drafting Burger/Sheets WOW