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Luis Robert after 58 PA 293/500/463 .963 OPS 17.2% K rate 24.1% BB rate

QUOTE (bmags @ May 20, 2017 -> 06:14 AM) If you guys want to get angry read this http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-s...-jose-quintana/ I'm triggered. Since 2012 he's 11th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2013 he's 7th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2014 he's 8th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2015 he's 9th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2016 he's 9th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. In 2017 he's tied for 20th in fWAR among qualified pitchers. That's pretty damn good for a "#3" In his last 6 starts he's put together this line: 40 IP, 39 K, 8.78 K/9, 29 H, 15 BB, 3.38 BB/9, 2.70 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 2-2 record.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ May 14, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) Very good day for Zack Collins. HR and 2 walks so far today. QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ May 14, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) Make that 3BB. Good grief, if Collins can get his swing to be as good as his batting eye he will be some kind of monster in the middle of the order. Going into the 9th, he also threw out 2 of 3 people attempting to steal, and had a passed ball. On the season he's thrown out 18 of 38, 47.3%. Last season he was 3 out of 21, 14%. Massive improvement is an understatement. .224/.396/.402 20.86 BB% 23.7 K%.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Mar 21, 2017 -> 06:50 AM) 6 years plus options, it's official Awesome. Sale signed his extension in March of 2013. It guaranteed him 5 years and $32.5 million, buying out one year of free agency for $12 million. And the team holding options on 2 more years of what would have been free agency for $26 million total. Quintana signed his extension in March of 2014. It guaranteed him 5 years $26.5 million (due to being arbitration eligible following 2014). The team then holds options for his 1st 2 years of what would have been free agency for $22 million. Eaton signed his extension in March of 2015. It guaranteed him 5 years and $23.5 million. The deal bought out what would have been his 1st year of free agency for $8.4 million and then gave the team 2 options for $20 million. I assume Anderson's 6 year deal will have 2 club options attached to it.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 08:39 PM) Help me understand something: Rodon's been pretty mediocre so far in his career; where some see promise in his Sept/Oct results last year, I see a "garbage time hero." He's been a bit of a China Doll so far in his career, with injuries in every season sidelining him, and now whatever this latest issue may be... He's represented by Greed Incarnate, who will never ever agree to a contract extension here. Why is Rodon considered to be a part of this team's core again? Thanks in advance. Is Carlos Rodon an ace currently, no? Does he have the potential to be one, you bet. He just turned 24. Player A Age 21 Pitched in College Age 22 109 2/3 IP between A+/AA/AAA, 14 IP in MLB as a reliever. Age 23 34 1/3 IP in AAA, 128 1/3 IP in MLB as a starter. 4.42 ERA, 4.59 FIP, 1.3 fWAR, 7.15 K/9, 3.79 BB/9, 1.19 HR/9. 1.35 WHIP. Age 24 208 2/3 IP in MLB as a starter. 2.72 ERA, 3.42 FIP, 4.2 fWAR, 8.11 K/9, 3.41 BB/9, 0.65 HR/9. 1.19 WHIP. Player B Age 21 Pitched in College, then 24 2/3 IP between R/A+/AAA. Age 22 10 IP in AAA. 139 1/3 IP in MLB as a starter. 3.75 ERA, 3.87 FIP, 2.0 fWAR, 8.98 K/9, 4.59 BB/9, 0.71 HR/9. 1.44 WHIP. Age 23 165 IP in MLB as a starter. 4.04 ERA, 4.01 FIP, 2.7 fWAR, 9.16 K/9, 2.95 BB/9, 1.25 HR/9. 1.39 WHIP. Age 24 will start this season Both of these pitchers were highly drafted LHP out of college with great sliders. One of them got a total of 144 IP in the minors before he was up for good, with 109 1/3 of those above A+. The other got 34 2/3 IP with 22 of those above A+. Yet the one who was rushed to the Majors quicker had as good, if not better MLB stats before they hit their age 24 season. Player A is David Price. Player B is Carlos Rodon. Will we see Rodon make a huge jump this year? Not sure. If he keeps improving, he will be a solid 2 at worst with the potential to be an ace. As noted by others in the 2nd half in 2016, Rodon went 73 IP, 3.45 ERA, 3.49 FIP, 1.22 WHIP, 9.49 K/9, 2.71 BB/9, 0.99 HR/9. If he can pitch near 200 innings, and maintain what he did in the 2nd half last year he will be around a 4+ fWAR pitcher at age 24, with 4 years of team control remaining. He would be insanely valuable. If he has an awesome season this or next, and the Sox don't see him as part of the rebuild, then he is another piece to flip for more prospects. His 1st season in the majors he was 78th among pitchers in fWAR, last year, at the age of 23, he was 56th. David Price was 132nd in fWAR among pitchers in his age 23 season, his 1st in the majors. I just don't get some of the disdain for Rodon. He was rushed to the majors very quickly, and has shown improvement along the way.

Arizona Fall League Rosters P Brian Clark P Matt Cooper P Brad Goldberg P Connor Walsh C Zack Collins (taxi squad member, activated only on Wednesdays and Saturdays) 1B Danny Hayes 3B Trey Michalczewski OF Courtney Hawkins Manager Aaron Rowand.

Collins at A+: 27 G 6 HR, 5 2Bs, 18 R, 17 RBI, .260/.383/.500, .883 OPS, 16.52 BB%, 26.09 K% Again if you take away his 1st 2 games back after his week off following his concussion this is his line at A+: 25 G 87 ABs 105 PAs 25 H .287 AVG .410 OB% .552 Slug % .961 OPS 6 HR 5 2B 17 RBI 16 R 48 TB 18 BB 24 K 17.14 BB% 22.86 K% Not too shabby.

Burdi 2 IP, 1 BB, 0 H, 4 Ks

Sox MLB Farm Collins 1/2, HR, 2 BB so far. Call 1/2 1BB, 2 SB. Fulmer 4 IP 3 H 1 ER 1 BB 4 K 1 HRA 55 pitches.

Burdi tonight, 2 IP 2 H 0 BB 5 K. At AAA 7 IP 4 H 3 BB 0 R 13 K. 16.71 K/9. 3.86 BB/9

Adams with a good start tonight 7 IP 4 H 2 BB 4 K 0 ER. Burdi 2 IP 0 H 2 BB 2 K 0 R. Since his blowup in his 1st AA appearance he has put up 19 IP 3 ER (1.42 ERA) 6 H 7 BB (0.68 WHIP) 27 K (12.79 K/9) over 13 appearances.

Holy moly, Shields is not good.

I mean what else can Hansen do at the rookie ball level? 26 2/3 IP 9 H 7 BB 0.60 WHIP 5 ER 1.69 ERA 43 K 14.51 K/9 2.36 BB/9 6.14 K:BB It would be so nice if he turned out to be an ace.

QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:52 PM) http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?c...mp;ymd=20160801 Collins 0-5 Burdi 2IP, 0H, 1K, 0BB Looks like Burdi has adjusted well to AA after his disastrous first appearance. 1st game in AA: 1G 0 IP 4 ER INF ERA 0 K 4 BB 1 H All other games in AA: 9 G 13 2/3 IP 3 ER 1.98 ERA 21 K 13.83 K/9 5 BB 3.29 BB/9 4.2 K:BB 6 H 0.80 WHIP

Does the potential Bud Norris injury pretty much dictate that the Dodgers have to get another starter? Not necessarily Q, but wouldn't they also be looking at Shields or Gonzalez at this point?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) I hope you're right. More teams are in it in the winter, but the pressure and the premium are there in July. Supposedly the Sox are looking for players off of ML rosters, which suggests retooling , not rebuilding, and not a serious effort at that (contenders aren't going to trade their contributors). We'll see. Like others, I have my doubts in the FO in making the right deals. If the Sox were going for it in 2017 wouldn't trading Duke ($5.5 in 2017) signal the end of that thought? Or do they think that Tilson is their answer in CF, and he will push them past the .500 mark and into the playoffs next season? Who are their C's for 2017? Who's in our pen next year? We'll find out a lot in the next 26 hours. Hopefully it's a tear down/rebuild job.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:39 PM) dodgers talking about archer and/or moore from TB, as @jaysonst @Ken_Rosenthal said. not much Sale talk around LAD lately https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/759805621571059712 If you aren't going to get a quality deal for Sale or Q now, there is no reason to move them. Deal them in the winter when you have more teams in the mix and an extremely weak free agent crop. Getting rid of Duke is a good start and signals they aren't competing next year. So start dumping Jackson, Avila, Navarro, & Morneau for anything you can get now. Dump anyone of Frazier, Gonzalez, Robertson, Shields, Lawrie, Melky, Abreu, & Garcia now if you get a nice return. If not try to deal them in the offseason as well, or in Avi's case do not offer arbitration.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) Helps he can hit lefties too. However with Eaton and Tilson at the top, you'll be susceptible to a loogy mowing them down. Maybe. But his splits against LHP this year at AAA are actually good at the plate. 100 ABs, .380/.423/.480 8 BB 16 K (at worst 14.81 K rate, not sure of HBP #s, SACs, SF #s against LHP). I like this trade for Zach Duke. It seems worst case scenario we have a 4th OF that can play good D, make contact, and can run. Best case scenario we have a starting CF that hits around 275/330/375 and steals 20 bags a year while playing good D. Similar to what Jacoby Ellsbury is putting up this year for the Yankees (264/326/367 .103 ISO 4 HR 17 SBs).

I think the Nats would be an awesome trade partner. Not going to happen though. Sale, Robertson, & Jackson for Giolito, Turner, Robles, Lopez, Fedde, Stevenson, & Reetz. They could then shop Gio Gonzalez, Roark, or Ross for another bat. That would give them Scherzer, Sale, & Strasburg as their starters in a playoff series

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) The sox don't have a $100 million dollar house, Dick Allen, they have this valuable pitcher who cannot be turned into a metaphor! My apologies, Dick Allen. That was a useful metaphor please continue with it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 02:39 PM) Then anyone who, if Sale and Quintana are still White Sox after the deadline, who are going to be upset about it, shouldn't use the "well then you can't have Chris Sale" line. You should subscribe to the "they must be traded, just get what you can" team. It's funny someone would say I am defending the front office. I don't like KW, haven't for years, even when he was popular. I've questioned Hahn as much as anyone, and all the way down. What the Yankees got for Chapman or the Braves got for Miller really doesn't mean any team's offer for Sale is going to be based on that. The fewer the teams that can afford the package to acquire Sale, the less competition, and most likely the less bang for your buck for the seller. Sale can be 10 times the pitcher Shelby Miller is. He won't get you 10 times the package Atlanta got for him. I used a house as an example. If you built a $100 million house and in 5 years all the homes in your neighborhood doubled in value, chances are, if you sold, you wouldn't get anything near $200 million. The buyers are too limited. There are only a few teams that could meet what the Sox and the rest of us would want for Chris Sale. That will make it really tough to trade him before you almost have to. The Sox have a $100 million house they would sell for $150 million. They just need a Saudi prince or someone who has to have Sale no matter the cost. The Sox don't have a $100 million dollar house. What the Sox do have is an ace that is available to pitch for a team, and under that teams control for the next 3 1/2 seasons. If a team is pushing to win the World Series (in the next 3 1/2 years) and their major concern is starting pitching, he is the top available person to get. Period. If you want him, you are going to have to pay a hefty price for him. If the Red Sox aren't willing to part with their top prospects and think they can get to the postseason and win in the postseason with Price, Porcello, Pomeranz, Wright, and Rodriguez as their rotation, good luck. Same with the Dodgers, if they think they can get to October and win in October with Maeda, Kazmir, Norris, McCarthy, and maybe Kershaw have fun trying. Same with Texas. If nobody wants to step up and pay the price to get Sale or Q, then we can just leave them here on the Southside and open up talks to all teams in the winter. We are in such an advantageous position due to their control it's not funny.

Are there any rules on trading just signed international prospects like there are on just drafted Rule-4 prospects? If not then I wouldn't mind Washington throwing in one of their SS's they signed this year (Luis Garcia, Yasel Antuna, Jose Sanchez) with Jakson Reetz. How about Reynaldo Lopez for Robertson?

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 11:21 AM) They also traded Sabathia and got zero out of it. EDIT: Well, they got Michael Brantley which someone noted, who is pretty good. The Brewers also gave the Indians Matt LaPorta, who was a top 30 prospect at the time, and Zach Jackson, a former 1st round pick, along with Brantley for 17 starts from CC Sabathia. I'd say that trade worked out pretty well for the Indians even when the centerpiece of the trade at the time (LaPorta) was a bust. That's why it's essential we get multiple highly regarded prospects if we trade Sale or Q. Without any injuries to Sale or Q you are going to be getting roughly 108 (Sale) to 140 (Q) regular season starts between each for the remainder of their current contracts. I have a hard time recalling a previous trade where a team gave up 3+ years of team control of an ace. The Sox need at least 5 top prospects for each. This isn't a 3 month rental for a playoff push. It is a trade for an established All-Star pitcher each with a track record of great pitching with control for 3+ years, and cheap control at that. Personally, I wish they would trade Shields, Melky, Abreu, Robertson, Sale, Frazier, Duke, Jackson, Lawrie, Navarro, Avila, Garcia, Albers, Gonzalez, & Morneau (if they get a good return on the trades for them) keep Eaton, Quintana, Anderson, Rodon, Jones, Fulmer, & Saladino. See what you got and build around them and your newly acquired talent for the future.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) I feel like people are undervaluing De Leon here (have you seen his strikeout numbers?), but yeah without Urias it's probably not enough, though he's probably untouchable at this point. It's the Dodgers call. Do they want to win this year, and have another ace to go with Kershaw (who can opt out after 2018) for the future or do they try to hope to make the playoffs with their current rotation and hope Kershaw is able to pitch again this year? Here's a fun fact the Dodgers are 42-42 in games not started by Clayton Kershaw. They are 14-2 in Kershaw starts this year. They currently have a 2 game lead for the 1st WC, and a 2.5 game lead on the 2nd WC. Their current 4 man rotation is Maeda, McCarthy (coming off TJ surgery), Kazmir, and Norris. Urias, is back at AAA and on an innings limit. If they plan on making the postseason they need another quality starter point blank. Again looking at the free agent market available in the winter, there is nobody they can go out and buy remotely close to the caliber of Sale or Q for next year. If they want to win this year they better be prepared to dish out a lot of top prospects/young players for Sale or Q, and that includes Urias and De Leon.