The Mighty Mite

15 games is a huge stretch, that being said Robin should have never been hired in the first place, no experience at all and it doesn't seem like his OJT is working out well.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2014 -> 08:14 PM) Some of these ballparks are too big. FAns want to see offense. That Tyler blast shoulda been a dinger in many parks that are more hitter friendly. If you hit a homer in old Comiskey before they shortened the fences in 1982, you earned it. Talk about a pitchers park.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 09:14 AM) The problem is the White Sox fanbase on a whole has more excuses and complaints than any fanbase around. They didn't go supposedly because the seats were the wrong color. So they changed them. Read the guys on WSI and their excuses. Honestly this is true..the video board isn't big enough., the ushers don't smile at them, there isn't enough food options, they changed the song they play in the intro, and these are supposed hard core fans. The other argument was the policy of upper deck ticketholders having no access to the lower deck. They definitely have loosened this on lightly attended games this year, but the WSI guys when it is pointed out on Sundays or for the K-Zone, you now can get a lower deck ticket for $20 or less, then cry the seat location isn't good enough. The White Sox fan will always move the bar. Like you said, 2012 was an example. Winning didn't draw people. Many said they didn't believe in the team and knew they would fade, so much to their relief in late September the team faded and thus apparently showed they didn't deserve the support the entire summer of the White Sox fan. I think the mentality will eventually change. But it is going to take a lot of winning, for a decent period of time. Excellent post, I pray that you are correct.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 10:06 AM) Been 6 years since they've had a playoff team, people aren't going to come if you dont put a consistent winner on the field. I think Rick is moving the franchise in the right direction, but it's going to take time. That said, I've been to 9 games already this season, so I am doing my part. Yes you are and I commend you.

QUOTE (shakes @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 10:04 AM) If you are such a dedicated fan, and can't make games yourself, maybe you can buy tickets and give them away to increase sales? Nothing more annoying than people complaining about attendance who don't go to games. I get it, you don't live here, but what does this accomplish? The team has found ways to increase revenue and are doing a good job keeping payroll up through this down time. As mentioned, until the season ticket base goes up there will be low attendance. Hey pal, I didn't start this thread so what's the problem with my throwing my 2 cents in. I can't believe how some of you can get so downright personal with other members instead of addressing the problem that the OP brought up.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 08:55 AM) This is true. Remember though this is still a below .500 team. As exciting as fans who follow the team think it is, as a fair weather fan you look and say "it's a losing team, who wants to see that, I'll find something else to do with my limited entertainment dollars" (yes, that's a quote). As someone said earlier, most Sox fans are bandwagon fans. After last year, the numbers won't come back until they are winning and are near a playoff spot. If they are within a few games of the playoffs in August, the attendance will go up. On a side note, I'm going to Colorado this summer. The Last time I went to Colorado in the summer was 2005 so.............. Where were all the bandwagon fans in 2012, we were in first place for 120 days and couldn't even hit the 2 million mark. Attendance has declined on the Southside every year for 6 straight years, first time that has happened in franchise history.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 07:56 AM) Sox fans are bandwagon fans. If you have been a Sox fan, you should know this by now, having living through the lean years of the 70's. Also, who made you judge of who deserves a baseball team or not from your throne in Florida? My throne in Florida? Grow up.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 07:50 AM) From 1953-1983 the Sox averaged more than 20,000 per game twice, so you should be used to seeing such small crowds. Different time and age, in the years of the Go Go Sox, 1,000,000 fans a year was the holy grail and the Sox drew over a million every year from 1951 through 1965 except for 1958. They led the A L in 1960 with 1,640,000. I believe that's the last time we led the A L in attendance.

20,000 to watch Sale go up against Scherzer. Piss poor. Something is seriously wrong up there, a big market team and we are averaging 19,000+ a game. 28th in MLB in attendance. We have a nice team with a great new star in Abreu and one of the best pitchers in MLB, the team does not give up and deserves some support. Right now if I owned the Sox and the stadium contract was up I would move this team to somewhere were it would be appreciated. Chicago does not deserve the White Sox. I want all of you to know that I'm a 68 year old die hard White Sox fan who has lived and died with this team since 1953, I still get up in the middle of the night and check the Sox score on my I Phone and for me the to say this is sacreligious. I know the Sox have addressed some of the pricing issues but Sox fans seem like they have just lost interest in the team. I have lived in Florida for over 20 years but I supported the team the 48 years I lived up there and would still do so, every year when the Sox come to Tampa you will see me at the Trop. I worked evenings when we lived up there but always tried to make one game every home stand. I also belong to another Sox Board and there were 3 threads about last nights game. That's sad coming from a membership of 8,000.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 12, 2014 -> 02:11 PM) I would never, ever go to a game if it were in sw suburbs. I love where sox stadium is. It has 2 major CTA train lines. It is right off of a major highway. It also has metra stops directly along it's route. I understand the criticism of "not enough stuff to do around park" but if it's that the stadium is hard to get to you aren't going to fix that going to the suburbs. I went to my first game at 35th and Shields in 1955 and never had a problem with the location but there are many many in the metro area that do including out of towers. When was the last time that you ran into a visitor to the city on vacation that wanted to go see a Sox game at USCF. Not one of my golf cronies down here in Florida has ever seen a Sox game but quite a few have been to you know where.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2014 -> 01:25 PM) None of those excuses were relevant for Mother's Day. What was?

Chicago is the third largest market in the USA and we drew 18,000, pathetic and embarrassing. Don't tell me it was Mothers day, it was Mothers Day all over the country, Baltimore had 45,000, Milwaukee, LA and NY all over 40,000. We are getting outdrawn by the Rays and the Marlins. Where are all the Sox fans? Down through the years we have had lousy ownership from cheap Charles Comiskey, to underfunded Bill Veeck to the current regime who if we hadn't won in 2005 we would begging them to sell. This franchise has never made the post-season 2 years in a row, that's amazing. High prices for seats and parking plus a lousy location not to mention alienating the fan base many times many times through the years has led to a very apathetic fan base and it saddens me to no end. I may be wrong but I think the franchise is in trouble and when the lease is up do not be surprised it the Sox move to another town.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ May 11, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) You could get into the old Busch Stadium for free after the 7th inning but I don't know if they do that at the new place. Same at Comiskey and Wrigley when I was a kid in the 50s. IIRC it was after the 6th inning.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 8, 2014 -> 09:35 AM) You can insert any team in that statement, even the Cubs. The Cubs have killed us based on the out of towners that were drawn in by the huge TV advantage the team had through most of the second half of the 20th Century. When my daughter lived in Lakeview we walked that area headng to restaurants and clubs, I have to say the neighborhoods around Wrigley offer more before and after game options. I don't want to see it, but I really think a suburban stadium would have the team drawing 35,000 a game. Perhaps somewhere in Schaumburg close to all the trains and expressways, is there land near Arlington Park? I still contend the site they wanted in Addison would have been a gold mine for the Sox. I don't know how many of you remember where it was going to be, just off I-355 just south of I-290 and north of I-88. No public transportation close but that doesn't seem to hurt the Angels of Anaheim.

No doubt about it, hitting is contagious.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 5, 2014 -> 04:32 PM) Up until last year, it worked like a charm. In what respect? Profit wise probably yes as the Sox have a great lease. From a fans perspective, no. When you come right down to it the Sox down through the years have done numerous things to alienate the fan base and there just are not as many Sox fans in the metro area as we would like to have.

I'm an real old timer born in 1946 and it's very hard for me to comprehend why there are different prices for different games. I think a lot of fans like me have rebelled at this variable pricing, a MLB game is an MLB game. If a walk up fan heads to the park at the last minute most of the time in this day and age he has no idea how much the game is going to cost him to get in. In the old days you knew a general admission ticket was 1.25 and a box seat was 2.50. I'm know we will never see those prices again but why does one pay 50 bucks for a box seat for one game and the next game that same seat is 20 or 30 bucks. I know the law of supply and demand but it doesn't seem to working with White Sox baseball, this will be 7 years that attendance has declined at USCF.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 4, 2014 -> 02:17 PM) Hope so. Supposedly, he's a butcher in the outfield. If he's a butcher, who is our late inning defensive replacement for Tank?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 3, 2014 -> 11:24 AM) Eaton seems like the type of player that will constantly run into small injury issues, maybe its partly due to his 110% go all out playing style. Eaton might be another Carlos Quentin, there is a fine line in playing too hard especially if you are injury prone.

Tank has to be the DH after this year, he's been a disaster in RF. We need to sign a left handed power hitting out fielder in the off season. Let some one else take a chance on Dunn.

Whatever the case, it's all behind him now.

Semien has to stay, platoon Beckham and Gillaspie at 3rd. With 3 HRs and 13 RBIs in 22 games he is on a pace for 22 homers and 95 RBIs.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 06:46 PM) The danger of using raw numbers. Were we dead last in attendance in the 1960's? Time has changed man Every pro sport team that was around in those days draws more fans now then back then. US population was 200 million in 1964, its now 325 million. If a MLB team drew 1,000,000 in the 50s and 60s they were doing well. The Sox hit the million mark just about every year from 51 to 67 then for a ton a reasons attendance was horrible until Dick Allen showed up. First Blackhawk game I went to in 1960 drew 9,700. The Chicago Packers NBA expansion team of 1961 and 1962 averaged about 3,500 a game before they moved to Baltimore in 63 and became the Bullets. The Bulls in their early years were not a great draw very seldom over 10,000 a game. The only Chicago team that sold out their games all these years are the Bears but they only played 6-8 home games a year, not a fair comparison to other sports.

Robin was not a good choice to begin with, he has shown no improvement in his OJT. The Sox made it worse by extending him. No way should you run out of pitchers in a 14 inning game.