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Everybody is getting too caught up in the public negotiations ... they purposely get this stuff out there. Boil it down: Why would owners want a full season if for a portion of it they cant have any fans and lose money, when, if they wait 1-3 months they can have a path to maybe? full attendance? It's a business and they are making a business decision. They don't care we want to watch baseball, they have a bottom line they're responsible for and I don't blame them for that. The only way the season starts on time is if the cities these teams play in allow for attendance on a partial basis. That's not a MLB decision though - that's these Mayors and Governors. The likelihood of a Lightfoot reversing course & allowing in 25-50% of attendance are probably slim. If these owners can be cash flow and bottom line break even? then you probably see some ball being played.. outside of that? You get a delay for 1-3 months So as I said sometime earlier on this board i would guess you see some sort of ST starting around the time the regular season would start ... the ST would be local like the Schaumburg setup... all intersquad games, maybe some Brewers, Cubs, Tigers, etc. etc. I wouldn't be suprised to see some attendance allowed during that time to get the protocols in place for fans. My best guess is that runs from first half of April through Mid-late May. June start with fans allowed in some capacity and with some protocols in place ..... aka maybe its a vaccine requirement? maybe its attendance restriction, maybe it's masks, maybe, maybe, maybe. Personal guess is we'll have about 100 games. Too many variables at this point to get caught up in what will happen, but I never really expected a full season, and still don't.

"I always think there's a vocal minority who basically needs to have a view to sound smart, and most of the time they're pretty fucking stupid. to be honest with you. Ya know the loudest people are never the smartest people, um, the ones that want to be heard because they want attention for some other set of reasons that come from their own psychology and insecurity. I think that anybody who spends the time to learn about anything always comes off as pretty moderate and boring because they tend to come to a balanced perspective. the more you learn, the more confusing things are so that the more, almost more conservative in the presentation of the facts one is. its when your just starting to learn about something and you think you can be heard that you start to spout off and frankly to the people who know more ... you sound like a dumbass" - Chamath Palihapitiya Again, I'll leave that there for ChiSox1917... it seems incredibly odd that you are so triggered by this whole conversation and think almost the whole thread can be summarized by this quote. On a separate note, I may use this as my "footer" for my profile. And may go post this in Slam under Covid and Election topics. I may even get it tattooed on my ass as a reminder. This is yogi berra type knowledge and insight. so simple, yet so profound.

"I always think there's a vocal minority who basically needs to have a view to sound smart, and most of the time they're pretty fucking stupid. to be honest with you. Ya know the loudest people are never the smartest people, um, the ones that want to be heard because they want attention for some other set of reasons that come from their own psychology and insecurity. I think that anybody who spends the time to learn about anything always comes off as pretty moderate and boring because they tend to come to a balanced perspective. the more you learn, the more confusing things are so that the more, almost more conservative in the presentation of the facts one is. its when your just starting to learn about something and you think you can be heard that you start to spout off and frankly to the people who know more ... you sound like a dumbass" - Chamath Palihapitiya

Forget the rules of copy/paste. So link to the article below. I understand this is wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Cleveland_Indians Somers asked the local baseball writers to come up with a new name, and based on their input, the team was renamed the Cleveland Indians.[12] It is claimed that the nickname "Indians" references Cleveland Spiders baseball club during the time when Louis Sockalexis, a Native American, had played in Cleveland (1897–99);[13] however this is contested by sportswriter Joe Posnanski who argues "Why exactly would people in Cleveland — this in a time when Native Americans were generally viewed as subhuman in America — name their team after a relatively minor and certainly troubled outfielder?" Sockalexis played only 96 games over three seasons, compiling just 367 at bats in his career. Sockalexis also "had to deal with horrendous racism, terrible taunts, whoops from the crowd, and so on," according to Posnanski. According to history professor Jonathan Zimmerman, the franchise was named the Indians by local baseball writers not to honor Sockalexis, but as a reference to the "fun" that he would inspire in crowds and the fact that journalists jokingly referred to the club as the "Cleveland Indians," even though it was officially named the Spiders.[14] "In place of the Naps, we'll have the Indians, on the warpath all the time, and eager for scalps to dangle at their belts," wrote an article in the Cleveland Leader of January 17, 1915. But, but but... we're HONORING them! it's a sense of PRIDE for some! Let's be serious America (and a lot of other countries) are full of very racist histories. We were built on the backs of other cultures and continue to be so. Don't get it twisted - if you were offered the opportunity to be any race and any sex you would pick white male without a second thought... it would take 0.1 seconds to make that decision. The fact that it is that easy of a question really shows that although we are taking strides over time, we still have work to do. This isn't white guilt. it's the truth.

The Cleveland fans from Brookpark were all going to progressive field and chanting and chopping out of admiration and their love of Native American culture. ? Your point, reading through your posts, seems to be that only some Native Americans are offended by the name, while others don't care and others take pride in it. The point most are trying to make is that there are many other names you can choose that dont offend ANYONE. Like for instance the White Sox or Tigers, Twins, Royals, etc. It's really not that hard to pick a name that offends nobody and it's a simple enough change to make. If you want to stick with admiration angle I'm sure they can be admired via the fact Cleveland is in Cuyhoga County, or that Chicago is named by native American's, etc. Their culture is intertwined because this was their land first. But to each their own. I'd consider it highly unlikely I, or anybody change your mind through reasoning ... so carry on and go buy up all the indian merchandise to help admire their culture!

In regards to the name change ... It's quite easy for people to show their colors when these type of topics emerge. Generally you see one sentence responses from those who are against it. Name change: "what's next giving away participation trophies to all teams too?" It's a canned, quick response with little thought of considering all angles because those people can't actually go through the analysis and consider all people's feelings. Why? Cause 'Murica! The truth is somewhere in the middle usually & in this case can it be construed as offensive? If the answer is yes, and quite easily yes, then just pick one of the 170,000 other words at your disposal. It's really not a big deal. It's 2021 (almost) -- i can see how it's offensive for a bunch of non Native Americans to sit around doing the "chop" chant at a baseball game. If you can't see that, then you need to do a better job reading and studying history of America. This isn't white guilt or that it openly offends me, it's just there are 170k other words, just pick a different one. Does picking a new team name fix anything? no. But it does bring attention to the subject which maybe helps people become educated on a subject matter they weren't previously educated on. https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/native-american-timeline Just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot. we were in America, and someone else came in and just started killing/going to war with you to conquer the land you lived on -- until basically there was nothing left. And then we were put on reservations and slowly rotted becoming just a shell of our former ancestors. Then the people who did this to you made a baseball team with a cartoon of your faces and named their team The Cleveland Anglos and did chants while they sat around and ate hot dogs while there was no apparent connection to why they had to be called the Cleveland Anglos. ... Again, pick one of the other 170,000 words.

All team names sound stupid at first. The Detroit Lions? Are there a lot of Lions in Detroit? The Chicago White Sox? THat's like calling the Indians the Blue Pants. Chicago Bulls? Yes, all the Bulls running around the Midwest. It's grown men throwing, kicking, hitting, a ball for fake points in almost all sports. It's all silly

As i mentioned in another thread, signing bauer makes you instant WS favorites. with a rotation of giolito, bauer, keuchel, lynn you have guys who can all go 7+ a game and give you 200ip. Throw Cease at the 5 and Kopech and Crochet outta the pen to build up innings in 2021 and you're all set. don't need any more bullpen help if you have a bauer. Come playoff time you could go Angels 2005 series with 4-5 complete games in a row. Spend $35mm on Hendriks, Quintana/Paxton, and a "squint and maybe" DH/LF/RF util type guy? You're still the same team. You move tiers with Bauer, you don't when spending $35mm in another way.

I mean, i think people think you were probably being sarcastic in a way, and doubt $30mm would get it done. I'd think he'd need $40-45mm on a one year deal, but in a way I am in agreement. Why do you need a bullpen if you have Giolito, Bauer, Lynn and Keuchel pitching? You'd have guys who can go 7ip consistently across the board. You could have Cease as your 5th. And then have Crochet and Kopech, etc. all firing outta the bullpen all year long while they build up innings during 2021. It's a one year deal so Reinsdorf can stop wetting his pants about the long term issues. Nobody could tell us with a straight face that we wouldn't be World Series favorites with that rotation plus our young bats. It's really that easy. Imagine going up against that rotation -- Giolito/Bauer/Lynn/Keuchel in the playoffs. You could theoretically run CG after CG like the 2005 Angels series.

ha. yah that can be said about a lot in March. However to be fair, if you remember the mindset back in March it would've been like a salmon swimming upstream. It was impossible to understand what we were going through + the prices since then haven't really been coupled with earnings or any real good news. hindsight is 20/20. I had a buncha square stock i bought back in the day that i was going to keep for the long run .. like 20 years long run ... and i ended up liquidating 70% at $70 per share. it's now at $210. I remmeber it bottoming out at like $36 and I was contemplating buying back in & was too scared. I think we're still due a strong pullback, but that might only mean to like 25,000 before we head back up. That being said, what we're due and reality dont really match nowadays. There's just as big of a likelihood stimulus and vaccines hit and the Dow goes from 30k to 40k by 2022. NYSE is more like Vegas than ever before, except, at least for now with QE and stimulus that we're the house. what goes up must come down, or at least i think it has to.

Also to add to that - feels A LOT like the marijuana run back a few years ago. although I would like it as a long term hold, i may just ride the euphoria of the psychedelic space up, and then dump and wait for repricing. who knows how high this could trade (pun intended) -- but can see this being a wild ride up, and then down, before stabilizing over a longer period of time.

ha, maybe one day. for now, I'll just buy the stock and stick to edibles lol. The run up on it has been incredible - almost 4X in a month. 10X in 3 months. I'm a little worried to double down on my bet right now based on that, but certainly if it settles in or retests a lower number and bounces? then maybe i'll purchase a bit more.

Saw a historical grab stat about the number of IPO's that had their price 2X on the first day since like 2009. 2010 - 0 2011 - 1 2012 - 1 2013 - 6 2014 - 6 2015 - 5 2016 - 1 2017 - 1 2018 - 1 2019- 3 2020 - 19!! It's so damn frothy out there. Insane. Feels like this has to have a major correction soon. Either the correction is literally SPAC's aka -- the theory that because of consolidation that there has been less and less companies to trade and this is just the pendulum and built up money looking for new investments ... or, the more likely, there's nowhere else to put capital and this is just driving crazy multiples. Like, maybe I can back myself into AirBnb ... but DoorDash trading how they are? That's just pure insanity. Also might be too late, but take a look at MindMed - it's a company that is looking to utilize DMT, etc. via trials for opioid, anxienty, PTSD, etc. I bought some a while back and it's been going bonkers. I just like it because it brings a solution to the table for a major problem & is a different solution. I don't think we'll ever legalize it, however can see it being utilized in doctors settings.

robert earl keen - nice grab. I'd recommend Kacey Musgraves christmas album - not all re-treads which is a welcome. new original music is nice Chance the rapper just released an album today with jerimih too. That will test your eclectic tastes - Kacey Musgraves and Chance the Rapper. I've also been a fan of the Kenny Chesney christmas album too. Renee Fleming has a few good ones too.

Yes. Not so much an experiment as its you dont sign a DH (Schwarber/Rosario/Brantley) whose cost ($8mm/$8mm/$10-12mm for multi year) outweighs the value they'd bring to the team. A Rosario doesn't bring that much add'l value over a DH rotation over a month period. You can throw Leury in LF while Eloy DH's for the first month of the year. Or you can throw Engel in RF, Eaton in LF while Eloy DH's. Some combo like that is more than fine. Again, this is from the standpoint of being in the constraints that JR lays out. Yes, in a perfect world you go out and spend the $10mm, however if the choice is $10mm on a DH while Vaughn is next up, or allocating that $10mm to the bullpen/rotation? I'll take the pitching everyday. You can easily go out in July and get a very serviceable bat for pennies on the dollar nowadays. If we were allowed to have a top 8 payroll I'd do this completely different. it still wouldn't involve a high paid DH or Springer even in those scenarios though.

yah id personally be fine with collins/yermin/mendick/leury combo to start the year. especially if its the difference between spending $5-10mm on a bat v. putting that towards a bullpen arm. if vaughn doesn't pan out next year thne you can always get a decent rental for cheap at the deadline too.

Not too far off. I'm taking a victory lap here. 2 years, $15.5mm - only tied to 1 year with that $1mm buyout. Still echo the rest -- not the best, but serviceable. Can hit in the 2 hole or down in the 7/8 hole. Onward and upward to bigger needs.

Lynn isn't an anti-Hahn move at all. Also I still suspect that Lynn is extended for 2-4 years at $10-14mm before the season begins.

Nope, in full agreement. Sox have: Giolito Keuchel Lynn Cease - can take a full load if his results warrant it Kopech - probably limited to 100ip. Going to have to balance performance/rust & balancing those innings so that he has something left in the tank (assuming he is sharp) to have those innings fall in the playoffs) Lopez - probably outside looking in/had his chance. should be a bullpen piece or long reliever. however obviously can handle the load of eating innings Stiever - is he ready? probably not, but another guy who can make a few spot starts and give innings Crochet - I've basically counted him out. Forearm injuries never seem to just go away. I'm mentally counting him out for the season and some of 2022. Anything he adds is gravy. If healthy basically just read Kopech's description. He should be limited and ramped up as the season goes to coincide with playoffs Flores Jr. - can probably give a few spot starts So in that mix you need 1 guy to step up and then the 5th spot can be a rotating door based on need/schedule/days off. Ideally 2-3 of those other guys show promise enough so that they're on a playoff roster. Which leads me to your post - yes. We don't need a quintana at all. if he's willing to take a 1 year deal i dont think it hinders any of our young guys futures since the top guys (Kopech/Crochet) both need to see less action this year anyways and the other guys (Flores/Stiever) could use some more AAA seasoning too. Lopez is just an arm at this point to me, so who cares. Assuming all of that? I'd want the high upside guy who can shutdown a playoff roster for 2-5 innings if healthy. Paxton, Rich Hill, Corey Kluber I think it's pretty reasonable to expect one of Cease, Kopech or Crochet to step-up as the #4

Wait, that isn't a parody account? Or is it really going deep on the parody account? I'm confused. Do you actually think Yermin is the next D. Ortiz or something? Yermin can maybe put up a Palka half season, I guess? But that's an experiment for the Royals or the 2017 White Sox. You don't make moves like Lynn and Keuchel to experiment with players of Yermin's caliber. I'm pretty sure 98% of the board gets that, so probably useless stating this.

Always liked Bilek's tweets. They're level headed. I know we all wanted to make a bigger splash, but these targets aren't all that bad. What I'd like to see: 1) Sign Lynn for 2-3 year extension at under $14mm annually 2) Add 2 bullpen pieces. Colome + Hendriks/Hand/Yates? 3) Lock up Giolito as mentioned - I'll count that as money actually spent if they do that. 4) Cherry on top would be a Quintana/Paxton/Hill/Richards/Wood. That would allow Kopech to start in AAA & slowly gain innings. You're not going to get 150ip out of him and would like to see him involved in the playoffs assuming all goes well & he is as he's been projected. Adding 1 more SP would allow Kopech, Crochet, etc. to not have to log so many regular season innings. Plus between an injury prone guy like Paxton/Hill/Richards there is likely to be an opening in the rotation throughout the year which allows 10-15 starts in regular season. 5) add a late offseason steal. Aka I still like a guy like Scooter Gennett. But wait until late in offseason and get yourself a swiss army knife akin to Leury that can spell multiple positions & allow guys like Eloy to DH while we wait on Vaughn.

This. It does allow us to keep the window open via trade, but yes, unless you get a Conforto or an older Marte not sure there are many options next year either. Its almost like Harper wouldve been the perfect fit haha.

reaction: Thought it was strange Garfein starting pushing this narrative over the past few days. Maybe people change and mature? Who knows. As a person I think he's a dick and my guess is he still isn't the nicest person. But I don't care much about that - maybe is the type of guy who fits in well with TLR (whose personality i also don't like). In terms of baseball? I think it's a safe 1 year deal - so why not? Very White Sox move again though. Low cost, low risk, re-tread, etc. It's not the type of move that makes me excited ... clearly we aren't going for it all in an aggressive way. Settling for a nice rotation piece, settling for an okay/replacement level RF, etc. I'd assume the next type of moves we'd make are bringing back a Colome, maybe adding a Hand, etc. It's all a bunch of boring, calculated moves which are fine. Was kind of hoping we'd seize the moment & be more aggressive. Not like trade Kopech/Vaughn aggressive, but maybe make a serious run at Springer/Bauer aggressive. This is a fine move, but doesn't move the needle. It's putting additional pressure on the in-house guys to do their job and take hte next step (Moncada/Eloy/Robert/Madrigal/Vaughn). Not bad, C grade move. Was hoping with the current environment of Covid, payrolls being cut + timing of us on the up & up we'd seize that and make a move for a guy like Bryant or someone like that to really push some chips into the middle. Oh well.

Also forgot to add, I do like that we didn't pull the trigger on a Snell or Marquez deal. Much rather would give up Dunning in a trade rather than Vaughn & Kopech. Also, call me crazy, but you wouldn't have to give anything if you just signed Bauer for 4 years at $40-42mm per year & you instantly would be a Top 4 team in Vegas to win WS. Plus you wouldn't be breaking Reinsdorf's rule of going over 4 years on a pitcher. But that makes too much sense

Reaction: People overreact one way or the other on deals way too early. Take a deep breath, do some research and then provide analysis. First blush reaction: It's fair market value for Lynn. If we did this trade in July or August when Dunning still hadn't started for us I have a feeling we'd have a different reaction. I don't love the idea of trading a Quintana, Keuchel, Garland-lite type of player who would have filled a nice 3/4 spot in the rotation for 5-6 years to come at an affordable price for a 1 year deal. However, if you believe how the Sox have been talking (or who they have been targeting in Gray, Marquez, Snell) then you'd have to think the idea behind this trade is to then extend him for a reasonable price. I think it also shows our mentality during this run that we're going to be more along the lines of the Rays, Twins, A's, Brewers, etc during this window. Meaning, we're obviously not going after the Machado/Harper/Cole/Bauer/Springer's of the world. We want to win with pitchers on 3-4 year deals at $10-15mm max. I think this is a fair trade at market value, however I think it favors the Rangers if we are unable, or don't extend Lynn on a 3/4yr deal at $11-15mm per year. I'd take him at 3 year, $40mm, option to extend for $15mm on year 4. We do that? Then i think this is a win in the sense you upgraded a Dunning (3/4 type guy in the rotation) to a Lynn (2/3 type guy in the rotation).