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Tuned in for like 1 inning. Highlight for me was listening to Royals announcer s%*# talk Nicky Lopez after he struck out.

Don't worry guys. Sox just leaked thisbl to get Lorenzen to lower his salary demands. 5d chess yet again.

I'm still wondering how all of then literally still have "inside info" even though pretty much the entire front office has been purged. Are they mice who live on the walls of the Sox offices or is it JR or Brooks Boyer who are the leakers. Thinking now, probably Brooks. He was awfully chummy with fans early in his tenure and probably made a few friends along the way.

They didn't call, they texted.?

CCs stats are marginally better than Buehrles. A few more wins but he pitched on better teams. I fail to see why CC would be a lock and Buehrle is not.

Agreed it still would have been a long shot but he had Jaime Moyer type longevity in my mind and could have pitched into his 40s no sweat.

If he'd have kept pitching he'd have had a shot at 300 wins. Would be a lock then.

I hope this guy thinks he can unlock JF1. I'd rather the Bears be able to get another huge haul for the #1 and (if lucky) still be able to draft MHJ.

Sounds this like could actually be announced soon. Just listening to radio and supposedly Levine was saying that could be the case.

This is the truth.

From an AL East perspective, I don't think it makes much sense to dick around with trade offers and wait until the deadline. That's going to be a very competitive division. One of those teams should want Cease for the whole season and not just 2 months.

Cant really speak for the Yankees but from the sounds of it the Orioles are reluctant to trade almost any of their top prospects, what's "absurd" to them would not be absurd to the greater MLB community when evaluating a potential deal I'd imagine due to Orioles inability to reconcile losing top prospects.

However the "reward" of trading him now to the best offer may not be that great, wherein you could then get greater reward if the risk doesn't manifest. Some people are saying Getz may have an astronomical asking price but I would imagine that's further from the truth. We've heard all about how teams don't want to part with x prospect or y prospect, even though those types should absolutely be in the deal and aren't being offered. Unless I'm missing something the reports are no one has met the price, not that the price is absurd.

And if Dylan Cease was a free agent Boras would be sitting at 200M+ probably and not budging, even if there wasn't a "bidding war" and notwithstanding his subpar 2023. The price is the price and it should hjurt a little bit.. thats what makes a good deal.

What do you think Elias has offered?

So Elias will have failed the mission because he didn't want to meet Getz's ask. It is what it is. If he pays the price no one should ridicule him for bidding against himself. Getz knows what his price is and doesn't really care what "the market" says because the market is probably trying to get Cease on the cheap. His ask doesn't seem unreasonable either. It's just the O's place a ton of value on their prospects, for good reason. This just isn't a match up that will work right now unless Elias gets serious about making a deal. The Sox need a better deal more than they need to deal Cease. Hopefully the O's are in the middle of a race by the TDL and ready to make a deal then because they still need pitching.

But you say your prospects are untouchable for Cease, which makes no sense. He's one of the best players someone could pick up for their team.

There's a price in place and the price is the price. It's not a matter of bidding against yourself. It's a matter of pay the (what seems like a pretty reasonable) price.

This is a joke. You have a lot of good takes but this is not one of them. You assign way too much value to prospects and completely forget how valuable ANY pitching is, especially pitching with more than 1 year of control that has elite upside.

I love that Sports Guy is still here trying to convince us that the Sox should lower their demands. If the choice is to accept a package of mid prospects then what is even the point? Mid prospects won't move the needle and we can't develop them anyway. We need a teams 1st or 2nd best to get a deal. Cease should have a much better defense behind him next year and frankly it's worth the risk to just roll with him and see what he does. If an TJ knocks on the door oh well, life's tough and so is being a Sox fan. If he pitches same as last year than OK we can lower the demands to basically what is being offered right now. If he's lights out than obviously that is good. Service time does not matter because the trade deadline itself can create a ton of extra value and teams will still look at the trade like "I got Cease for my playoff run AND all of next year". Getz has no reason to lower his demands. And he shouldn't be scared to roll with Dylan because he might get injured. Let the teams who need pitching go ahead and sign subpar free agents and make subpar trades just to come calling again when the TDL hits. I believe Dylan Cease is an elite pitcher, will be again next year after the anomaly of 2023, and I think Getz believes that too.

Whatever. If people don't want to pony up a real prospect package f*** it and let him pitch for us. Someone will want him at the deadline with more desperation even if he pitches how he did last year.

Pretty much because expectations matched reality. Sadly. If new OC thinks Fields is fixable and can actually coach a QB let them spend the off-season together, draft MJH and o line with the 9 pick. f*** it at this point. The Bears are probably fucked anyway no matter what they do just like the White Sox.

Imagine BAL: Hey we want to trade for Cease Getz: Awesome, I was thinking the package could start with Holliday. BAL: Sorry, he's untouchable Getz: OK, how about Coby Mayo? BAL: We would trade him but not for Cease, he's too premium of a prospect. Getz: Weird... okay what about Kjerstad? BAL: Sorry, he's untouchable. Getz: OK, what about Cowser and/or Basallo? BAL: YEhhh.. maybe? ...But we think they are untouchable, can I interest you Joey Ortiz though? Getz: ...K bye.

Starting with #14 sounds fair. Who is that? ?

True enough but Quintana, while good, didn't have lockdown ace potential upside and carried significant downside risk. He basically never pitched up to his Sox stats with the Cubs, if I recall correctly (too lazy to look it up)