Tony

I think I know what you're getting at, and if I'm right...I agree with you that one guy (Menechino) simply can't be having this much of a negative impact on the entire group of veteran players on this team. I just can't see any scenario where players are actively going along with some plan to diminish driving the ball. However, it's not like one guy is being impacted. There is a team-wide power outage happening and SOMETHING is causing it. I agree it has to be a collection of things, but I really don't know what they are.

I'm saying your point was logical, but that doesn't fly when it comes to the White Sox.

You take your logic and get the fuck out of here. No room for that in White Sox land.

Sox version of a daytime soap opera.

Basically two games in a row where the coaching staff has actually put players in harms way.

I assume you mean us as fans, right? We're the assholes that keep coming back to these games and expecting something different.

Someone is going to give him decent money, and it shouldn't be the Sox. What's more likely: He repeats what he did this year or has a 5+ ERA at age 37?

Such an awfully managed team. This is what they mean when you talk about not putting your players in the best position to succeed.

That was awesome lol

He's correct, 2025 and 2026 are club options. 2023 is 9.5 and 2024 is 13

To be clear, you've gone out of your way to defend Rick Hahn tonight, and are now making a post, on August 19th, 2022 discussing how this team can "rebuild" and "having something going in a couple seasons" when earlier this calendar year, the same Rick Hahn told us this club had World Series expectations.

Pretty sure you may actually be a polar bear, which would go a long way in explaining your logic displayed tonight.

So....who was the one that picked up the option for Kimbrel? I don't know how ANYONE, includes relatives in the Hahn family, can carry water for anyone in this front office right now.

Rick Hahn was named General Manager in 2012, the same time Kenny was named VP. You also have no actual evidence to support those claims.

According to Spotrac, the Sox sit at 7th in payroll at 196 million in payroll. I don't want to break any news to you, but Rick Hahn has been at the helm for over a decade. Yes, we'd all like the Sox to FINALLY sign a high priced, prized FA. But the payroll isn't a "problem", there are 20+ teams that would kill for the payroll the Sox have right now. Rick just doesn't know how to build a Championship contender.

So do a lot of teams that are considered very successful and well-run franchises.

I would be fully on board with that IF I believed changes will happen. I find it hard to believe that TLR is back next year...but a new manager doesn't solve the issues. Will it help? Yes. Will it make the Sox a true World Series threat? Not a chance.

The Sox don't have a tiny budget.

None of it matters. We're WELL beyond looking at 1-2 signings that "sunk" the team. The well is poisoned. The fruit has gone rotten. It ALL needs to go. We're well past slicing off part of the apple and saving the rest.....everything needs to go.

Just got back from Top Gun. I made the right choice

Enjoyed the first ep of She Hulk

This really could have been about anything

In Jack's defense here (no, seriously) history would tell us there is no reason to think either are in any danger of losing their jobs

Going to be a fairly expensive 5th starter next year