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QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) Daryl Van Schouwen wrote today that the belief is Fowler is out of the Sox price range. It's just hard for me to believe that Fowler at 2-3 years & $12M per is out of their price range but Cespedes & Gordon at a much higher rate wasn't. That's the type of thing that frustrates me, honestly.

"Sources: #SFGiants pursued Rollins before he signed minor-league deal with #WhiteSox. Switch-hitter would have played super-utility role." via Rosenthal.

QUOTE (GREEDY @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) Wait until JRoll makes this team and takes 70% of the at-bats away from Saladino. Why does that matter even if it happened? Saladino isn't really a future starter, anyways.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) Just add Rollins to the ever growing list of players that the Sox get past their primes. Griffey, Ramirez, Vizquel, Jones, Dunn, LaRoche, etc. It's pathetic. I see no real issue with this move. Not like they just gave him $5M for the year to be a question mark. Literally no risk involved here. Could end up being a smart move that we look back on as being worth a win or two w/ bench roles, etc.

I see no real downside to this move. His drop off last year was pretty scary but this was a guy that was projected to still get a shot to start this year. Nothing wrong with a vet like this for a year.

#WhiteSox have agreed to terms with infielder Jimmy Rollins on a minor-league deal w/ an invite to camp. - Dan Hayes

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 08:45 AM) So is Avi the only one not to arrive so far? Correct.

I'm not really sure there is a way to cut this where the Sox FO has done a smart job this offseason. If they knew they were limited, trying to compete was probably a stupid idea. They know the market next year & know where they stand right now & while they may be in the "mix", why not better your odds if you're going for it? This offseason has once again shown me that the leadership with this team has no real direction. What I will say is, if this blows up in their face, we better be seeing either KW ousted, or RH & Ventura gone.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 05:40 PM) Fowler's only fit on this team was ability to get on base. The defense, being average against RHP and comp pick always made him a bad fit, in my opinion. Fowler was an upgrade in every way over Avi outside of power. Much more than his ability to get on base.

Once again, the Sox dropped the ball here. Why wasn't this do-able for them?

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 01:18 PM) Believe in Nightengale until proven otherwise I personally still don't believe most of what he says, even Bucket has said he doesn't know nearly as much as most in here think. It seems like they are only willing to blow the budget on certain players & those players now seem to be gone...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) I've been chanting patience as much as anyone, but if Fowler signs for 2 years $20 million with Baltimore, and Hahn doesn't have something else up his sleeve, I will be more than a little perplexed. I've tried to stay patient through out this process but it's becoming increasingly hard to swallow the thought of them not making another move. I have a feeling the Fowler deal is going to piss some fans off if/when he signs with Baltimore. I get the "being on a budget" thing to a certain extent but I thought for sure that the Frazier move was them signaling they would do more than this...

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 07:35 AM) If you take out Fulmer and Anderson, they don't have the pieces to get a high impact bat. 100% agree, which is why they should be looking to buck up & just make a move for someone in FA. Fowler to me is still the best option. Not a groundbreaking player but still a 2-2.5 WAR per year type player & an OBP guy w/ speed. We'll see what happens. I think this team is a fringe type team right now & if they don't add anyone now, they'll probably spend more doing it in June/July when they are slightly hanging on looking for a boost. Just seems to be the Sox's way to do things.

Piecing together Rosenthal's report w/ Nightengale's & Bucket's, it sure seems like the Sox are either going to trade for a bat or be done... I almost get the feeling if it's a trade, it won't be a high impact one, either. Somewhat disappointed they don't seem to be wanting to add a higher impact bat but can't say I'm overly surprised.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Feb 16, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) OK Back to rumors http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/jose-re...spension-021616 It’s difficult to imagine Desmond’s price dropping to the point where the Rays could justify forfeiting their first-round pick, No. 13 overall. The White Sox, meanwhile, are more focused on adding an outfielder through free agency or trade, sources say. The Sox, like the Rockies, hold a protected pick, No. 10 overall. They conceivably could sign both Desmond and free-agent outfielder Dexter Fowler and sacrifice their next two selections, currently Nos. 28 and 49. But they also might be content to play Tyler Saladino at short until top prospect Tim Anderson is ready, perhaps later this season. Still very weird to me that Heyman just straight missed on the Desmond/Sox thing. Sure seems like the Sox are working on yet another trade & may have Fowler/Jackson as a backup plan.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Feb 16, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) I'd have problems accepting De Aza. Doesn't seem like progress to me. Seems like the Sox type of move.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Feb 16, 2016 -> 12:35 PM) When you look at the current situation this way, where you are just bumping up against a possible postseason appearance but also maybe just coming up a bit short, it almost seems worth it to give up the draft pick and just go and get Fowler and replace Garcia with him. Could literally mean the difference between making the playoffs and not. I've been trying to say this same thing. They are more than likely a fringe team right now. Adding a guy like Fowler or Desmond greatly improves your chances, especially in this certain scenario.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 16, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) There's a good chance that the Sox have the best rotation in the AL. Cleveland was #1 in fWAR last year and Sox were 2nd. Samardzija's 216 innings and K's did help though. No doubt. Overall, I think their rotation will end up being on par if not a bit better than last year. Will be interesting to see if the pen stays more consistent & if the hitting comes through the way some are hoping.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 16, 2016 -> 12:01 PM) Isn't Rodon technically replace shark and Latos replacing noesi from last opening day. Very good way of looking at it. In that regard, the Sox pitching staff is even better than last year's by a wide margin on paper.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 07:16 PM) Talks are fluid. As some have stated, they have a range they will stay within for free agents. As of tonight that's not a match for either camp. It's really that simple. Bucket, if you had to guess, do you see them making another move? Obviously FAs like Desmond, Fowler, Jackson, etc or even a trade that would fill the void in RF...

Common sense tells you that if you're given the choice between believing Heyman or Nightengale you believe Heyman. Let's not overthink this.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 06:23 PM) Sox related he was the one who kept reporting that we would only go to 3 years with Cespedes when everyone else kept acting like we were in the lead for him. Hahn also came out & denied that they were only going 3 years with any of the top guys, so obviously Nightengale wasn't telling the truth.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 06:22 PM) He has an actual quote form a White Sox official. He claims to have an actual quote. Doesn't mean it's true.

When was the last time Nightengale broke any sort of news?

Just remember, Nightengale reported they would only go 3 years on any OF, Hahn shot that down quickly at SoxFest.