ChiSoxFanMike

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:35 AM) It has nothing to do with us not realizing how good he was. We all saw it. The hangup is that he was only here for 6 full years and just 5 as a starter. If you start retiring numbers for guys that played for you for 6 years, you're going to start running out of numbers. Are you really trying to argue that Sale deserves his number retired more than Buehrle because of his talent level. Obviously peak Sale was better than peak Buehrle but there is a s*** ton more to it than that. Buehrle was here for 12 f***ing years. Not to mention the fact that, oh, I don't know, he was the ace of a World Series winning team. Come on man. We get it. Sale was your favorite. He's gone, move on. I never said Sale was more deserving because of talent. I simply said he is more talented. Obviously there are other requirements that are in Buehrle's favor that work against Sale. Here's some more interesting questions: Will Buehrle be a Hall of Famer? If Sale makes it one day, will he wear a White Sox hat on the plaque?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) Some things are about more than stats. Mark Buehrle is absolutely a guy you retire a jersey for. In addition to what he did on the field, he was the consummate teammate, he was the face of the organization off of the field, and he never gave anyone a minute of problems. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Buehrle and definitely think retiring his number is warranted. I don't want you to think that I disagree with retiring his number because that's not the case at all.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) And Carlos Quentin was a more talented hitter than Paul Konerko. I think you know whose number will be retired out of those two. I wouldn't agree with that, lol.

I don't want to derail the thread any further but I don't think some of you guys realize how good Sale was. Buehrle had the advantage of being with the team for much longer, having playoff success here, and not being a hot head, but pound for pound I think Sale is way more talented than he ever was.

QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:16 AM) So then you're cool with Black Jack having his number retired,too? He won a Cy Young with the Sox after all... His stats were nowhere as good as Sale, so no. The Cy Young he has is nice but Sale arguably should've won the award in 2014 and 2016 as well. McDowell was definitely a great pitcher for the Sox, but Sale is in a different tier IMO.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) Yeah I don't see it. Wasn't here long enough. Not enough accomplishments either. 7+ years on the team, 5X All Star, single season Sox K record aren't accomplishments? Lol ok.

Good for him. I loved Buehrle. Hope they do the same for Sale at some point.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 08:45 AM) It's probably going to take a 1st to acquire him. He's not a fit for the modern NBA. It's another guy that doesn't fit the system of the coach you have. He's a terrible defensive player and is unathletic. He can score but he's such a defensive liability that he doesn't really fit what most teams are trying to do. I want them to trade Butler for a nice deal from the Celtics because it's the only thing that makes sense if they truly care about winning titles (which they don't). As a sports fan, I think the point of this whole thing is winning championships. Could they cobble together some pieces around their star and win 50 games? Yes, probably. They can't be a legit contender doing it though which I've stated. Butler is on a cheap deal but they can't add enough around him to compete for championships. And then in 2.5 years he will get a massive deal. They can't add around him fast enough to make it worth it. Trading Jimmy resets the potential championship window. The rookies probably wouldn't be as good as Butler but they are cheaper and offer hope ideally. I understand if you don't trust Paxson and Forman to complete this process but I believe that relying on them to complete the rebuild is still a better option than patching 45 wins teams together and wasting Butler's prime without cashing in that asset. You may disagree but if you do your standard isn't winning championships. I'm sorry but I still disagree. It doesn't matter whether he's a "fit" or not. The Bulls are so deprived of talent that they need to jump at the opportunity to acquire as much upside as possible, even if said player doesn't fit on paper. Okafor's a gifted scorer; that's harder to teach than defense. And he's so young that there's definitely room for improvement under the right coaching. By no means am I calling him a future All Star, but I definitely believe that he could be a productive player and a second option to Butler on a contender. I'd much rather add a player like him and then a Gordon Hayward type than tearing it all down. Rebuilds just don't work as well in the NBA as they do in MLB.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 07:42 AM) Oh yeah. #CHAMPIONSHIP I just don't understand your thought process on the Bulls right now. Why would you be opposed to the Bulls acquiring Okafor? I'd take him over anyone on the Bulls roster right now not named Jimmy Butler. In one breath, you want to trade Butler for young guys, and yet when the Bulls have a chance to pick up a young guy with lots of potential, you don't want him. Okafor is like 20 years old and his upside is tremendous.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 12:18 PM) You're right, thanks Mike. For some reason I thought he had signed a three year contract like Melky. Now I'm even more confused on when to trade Robertson. I don't know either, lol. What I do know, however, is that the Sox shouldn't trade Robertson for Severino straight up, even if Washington eats all the salary. I think Robertson is worth more than that.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 12:09 PM) Starting to doubt Robertson will have more value at the deadline. Teams are more desperate at the deadline but by then Robertson will only be a 2-3 month rental. As others have pointed out, Robertson right now is not in the same tier that Chapman, Miller and Giles were at the time of their trades so we can't really use those trades to try and gauge Robertson's current value. If my doubts are correct then trading Robertson now would be the preferred time and allow Jones to become the closer with hopes of boosting his value even more for the July deadline. It's a risk a rebuilding team like the Sox can take. Robertson is controlled through 2018 I believe.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 1h1 hour ago White Sox content with group of catchers entering 2017 http://atmlb.com/2kWqT6x via @mlb Lol

I've seen an excessive number of Cubs clothing items today and it's bugging me.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) Why dabble in things that have no bearing on reality? What?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 10:57 AM) Rafael Devers would have no place in trade conversations for Frazier. Not even if the White Sox took on Sandoval's entire salary?

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) There is no doubt that you are a teenager lol. I hope that term goes away soon Lol. It's just the most recent of a long list of words that really have no meaning whatsoever.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:31 AM) Well that would never happen, but cool post anyway. Did I say it would happen? Can you tell me what Rick Hahn is having for dinner next Thursday if you can tell the future?

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) Would Beer go 1.1 in the 2017 draft? http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/ask-b...semsrz5p10dK.97 Pretty much notes Beers value lies entirely in his bat, and historically bat only players don't go 1.1 I don't care if he's worse than Avi in the field. The Sox have to take him if he's on the board when it's their turn to pick. His bat is special.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 10:15 AM) They won't trade Soto for Robertson. They would if they really wanted to win in the window in which they have Harper. Soto is 18 years old...

It would be great if the Pelicans took out the Warriors in the 1st round.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:43 AM) @jaysonst White Sox have been looking for a catcher. Derek Norris or Pedro Severino could be potential fits. https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/834065821940981760 Derek Norris? I don't see how he fits what the Sox are doing at all. Is he a good pitch framer?

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) Jayson Stark @jaysonst 32s A team that has been talking with the White Sox says they've been waiting for Nats to sign Wieters to rekindle David Robertson trade talks Lit.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) Who says no? WAS receives: David Robertson CWS receives: Pedro Severino, plus one of Jose Marmolejos-Diaz or Rafael Bautista I've never heard of Diaz or Bautista, so I hope the Sox would say no unless I just need to educate myself on the Nationals system.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:24 AM) Agreed, he's likely expendable. But like I said above, I'm not sure he was the hangup in a deal. Probably not, but he's a logical piece for the Sox. I don't know how much better he is than Narvaez, but another body isn't a bad thing. He's supposed to be good defensively at the very least.

I'd be almost certain now that Severino would be involved in a Robertson package if a trade did happen.