ChiSoxFanMike

I'd definitely bring Johnson back.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:30 PM) I think I was able to correct it to look more fair. Meadows, Keller, Hayes, and Diaz as a package deal isn't too bad IMO. Nice idea my friend.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:28 PM) Mike, Keller is a top 50 guy in some publications and will be when new lists are updated. That's too much IMO. How is a ML ready catcher the same as a fireballing reliever in A ball? Okay. Then take Diaz out or include someone like Jennings who is cost effective. All I know is that I really want Meadows, and Newman/Keller wouldn't be bad either.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 01:42 PM) Is this 2007? I prefer "Devil Rays" instead of just "Rays". But it is out of date now haha.

Man you guys are like sharks smelling blood lol. It was just an idea.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) That would be much better than the Sale return. There's no chance of this. Meadows and Glasnow are both top 10 prospects in baseball and Newman is a top 50 guy. If Meadows is involved, I'm guessing something like Meadows, Hayes, Diaz, flyer Give me Meadows, Newman, Keller, and Diaz. Meadows ~ Moncada Newman ~ Kopech Keller ~ Basabe Diaz ~ Diaz I think that's a fair outline.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:05 PM) Some of you guys seem to be at your wits end with this Quintana round-and-round and I am right there with you, but man be thankful were not Twins fans Fixed. Being a Sox fan is rough, but Twins fans have it even worse. It seems like they've been rebuilding forever and really have nothing to show for it. Dozier is their only valuable trade chip left and they're screwed if they mess up that trade.

We have almost 6,000 posts between the 2 Quintana threads. Impressive.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) The problem i see with Newman is he hits balls on the ground + does not have elite speed to compensate for it. Look at how frustrating it's been watching Avi beat baseballs into the ground. Another problem with Newman is let's say he can hit, I don't think he will hit or field well enough to move Anderson from SS which leaves 2B for Newman but the Sox already have Moncada there. Newman is fine if he's the second best hitter coming over in a trade but if he's the first I would rather keep Q or consider one of the offers from the Braves and Astros. Agreed. Newman sticking at SS doesn't really benefit the Sox because they already have Anderson.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:36 AM) They would get Quintana WHO WOULD BE HELPING THEM FROM OPENING DAY!!!! There's no could or maybe or if. This is so annoying haha Woah.

The Yankees are fools if they go into the season with their current rotation. It's Tanaka and a bunch of garbage. Tanaka isn't even a sure thing either.

Frazier/Rutherford/Andujar/Fowler is a fair package IMO. The Yankees would get to keep Torres too.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 10:03 PM) It is funny that probably the 3 players that were most upset about the LaRoche fiasco are the only ones to get traded. The longer this goes, the funnier the conspiracy gets Since when was Q upset about the LaRoche situation?

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 08:24 PM) If they want Meadows they wont get him. Pirates cant trade him. Yeah, they can.

Rum Bunter also says the Pirates are less likely to trade Bell than Meadows. If that's the case, the 3 player package is most likely Glasnow/Newman/Keller which would be disappointing.

Colby Rasmus to the Devil Rays.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:53 PM) He only pitched 65 innings last year. It's going to take him at least 2 to build up the innings to be a full time starter. That's...disappointing.

Is Kopech really that far away? I was under the assumption that he would be in Chicago some time in 2018.

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) Your feeling of never having too much pitching isn't invalid...except this time. If you're lucky, these guys pan out. Hard to imagine any are as dominant as Sale, but hopefully they are. Both Sale and Q were top 10 WAR arms, which has been mentioned over and over. WAR isn't the end-all and be-all, but for the sake of discussion that is what you're shooting for. So lets say two of them do. You're in a worse situation than we were the last several years. Because once Abreu/Frazier/etc are gone and Eaton already is - you've replaced it with one guy, Moncada. Now I'm sure you're thinking that this rotation will be deeper but that still doesn't solve the fundamental problem of this organization, which is their inability to develop hitting. You needed hitting prospects. Fine. You maxed out on arms, and that has tremendous potential value, but my god man. You desperately need star-power hitting. And advanced hitting at that. Not projects like Basabe. Sit and point your finger at the lack of success from the guys you mentioned, but it won't mean s*** when we still cannot score runs. Gonzalez pitched well last season. So you had 4 good to great starters last season - with much better hitting than what 2018-2019 projects to be. This is your last big bullet and you need hitting. End of story. If you settle for more arms because its the best value, so be it, but Hahn better know something we don't about out payroll for those years and you better be spending it on offense because you cannot put together a team with 10 starters. Sorry bud - not how baseball works. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but you totally missed my point. I said: "I'm absolutely okay with the Sox acquiring Glasnow/Keller if they get Bell, Newman, Hayes, etc." They absolutely need to get 2 of the 3 hitters I listed and/or Meadows...and if they don't, it's a failure. I don't want a package comprised of pitching only, which is what you seem to think I want. I also think the Sox will be active trying to acquire a hitter in free agency or through a trade in a couple years in the rebuild is going well.

Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely NOT saying the Sox shouldn't trade for more hitting. I definitely hope they get at least one blue chip bat for Quintana. I'm just saying that getting more pitching in trades isn't a bad thing and rebuilding is about collecting the best possible talent regardless of position or need.

I f***ing hate the mindset that trading for too much pitching is a bad thing. Do you guys remember how much trash was in the back end of the rotation during the Sale/Q days? Humber, Paulino, Danks, Latos, Noesi, Shields, just to name a few. That is one of the main reasons why those teams were never any good. The back end of the rotation was a black hole. Having a full 5 man rotation that has talent and potential is the real goal here. I'm absolutely okay with the Sox acquiring Glasnow/Keller if they get Bell, Newman, Hayes, etc.

If the Sox were able to get both Glasnow and Keller, they'd be so stacked with pitching that I'd hope they'd flip a couple to Colorado for Brendan Rodgers.

Schwarber is a pipe dream IMO. He's extremely overrated but Cubs fans would never forgive Theo for trading him.

Let's say the Cubs hypothetically offered Eloy, Happ, Candelario, and a lottery ticket for Q. Would you take it?

I absolutely love this signing. He's young and full of potential.