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QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 10:33 PM) I think Gordon and Cespedes bring a lot of intangibles to the lineup, just in different ways. Cespedes as power hitting destroyer of world's and Gordon as a guy who keeps rally's going. Both are winners and I'd be fine with either one but would prefer Cespedes. Upton is a bum who draws a few walks for bad teams. A "bum" might be an overly harsh way to describe Upton. He isn't my first choice, but I'd rather have him in right field in 2016 than Avi and I don't think any Sox fan would disagree with that. If Upton is a bum, then I have no idea how you'd describe Avi.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 09:11 PM) The efficiency difference is just insane. Also, as good as Butler is defensively Leonard is still easily better. Look at what he did to Paul George last night. How exactly is PER measured? Sorry for the noob question. I'm much more knowledgable in baseball to be honest, but I do enjoy basketball too.

PPG / APG / RPG / PER / FG% / 3PT% / FT% Butler - 21.5 / 3.3 / 5.0 / 20.83 /.450 /.326 /.823 Leonard - 21.1 / 2.7 / 7.4 / 27.53 /.510 /.472 /.879 Leonard might be slightly better, but I don't think it's as outrageous of a difference between them as you guys are saying.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 05:13 PM) Lmao, no. Butler is a poor mans Kawhi Leonard, and the Spurs have Kawhi Leonard Butler is better than Leonard in my opinion.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) What? And miss a chance for another SoxTalk cat-fight that disintegrates a thread into nothingness? This is entertaining. I like watching two grown men argue about absolutely nothing important on the internet.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 03:51 PM) Can you give me an idea of what that starting 5 might look like? You can pick anyone from the NBA too. The best I can come up with is replacing Carroll with Butler on the Hawks last year (would give them 5 all stars) and I still don't see them winning a championship. What about the Spurs? Put Butler on their team and they're still a championship contender and he's their best player to boot.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 04:01 PM) Typical. If there was a clever retort to be made...or a substantive response. Oh well. While your original post has a point, how is any of that relevant to next years team and beyond? The past is the past. Hopefully the Sox have learned from their mistakes from the times you listed and improved upon them.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) Screw it just sign all 3 Imagine how chaotic this forum would be if that happened...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 03:18 PM) Honestly I think each of them brings one thing to the table that he does better than the other two. No matter which of the three the Sox were to get, it would really improve this team. Gordon is the best defender and LF Cespedes is the best powerhitter and RF. Upton is the better all around player. Very well said. I personally feel like Cespedes would be the best fit for the Sox at this point in time, but like many others have said, I'd be more than content if the Sox can get any of the 3.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:51 PM) Do you think Jimmy Butler could be the best player on a championship team? Hard to imagine. Actually yes, I think he could be.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) And his lack of power He'd hit 20 homers a season routinely with the Sox IMO.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 01:26 AM) And if Jimmy is the man, you are firmly in basketball hell. What do you mean by this?

Why does everyone want Gordon or Upton? Am I the only one that would be ecstatic to see the Sox get Cespedes?

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) Bring back Rios...? *dramatic music* That name actually isn't as crazy as it sounds if the Sox lose out on the big 3. Worst case scenario is that they could get a guy like Rios to platoon with Shuck in RF.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) I'd like Upton over any of them due to the power, OBP and age but Gordon is a close second and is more likely IMO to be rock solid in OBP and defense over the course of a contract. What about Cespedes?

Another scenario that hasn't been mentioned yet is that this whole negotiation with Gordon could purely be a ploy to bid up KC and make them pay more for him. I have no idea if that's truly the case or not, but it could be a possibility.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) I personally am not worried about Laroche I think he bounces back big time this year. If you add Upton or Cespedes his bat continues to slide down in the order and the less we rely on him. I'm okay with Laroche on this team, if we have the money to sign one of these guys, I think the line up is better with one of the big three PLUS Laroache. This is the best post I've read on this site in quite some time. Well done.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:04 AM) I asked before, but why can't Gordon play RF? I know he's been almost exclusively in LF, but is something that prevents him from playing RF? I hate the idea of Melky or Avi getting regular playing time there. He's a Gold Glove left fielder. It would be plain stupid to have him switch positions just so Melky wouldn't have to play right.

If Saladino gave us .250 with 10-12 homers, 20 stolen bases, and solid defense next season, I know that I'd be more than happy. Those numbers would essentially be what Alexei put up last year, but Saladino would be doing it for the minimum.

So realistically, what teams are left that could be in the market for Cespedes' services? I can think of the Sox, Tigers, Orioles, Royals, Angels, and possibly the Mets. Are there any others?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 08:53 PM) All this talk really just means one thing: the market is starting to move. It's all smoke screen city. KC wants Gordon so for leverage they're putting out that they want Parra. The Sox probably want Upton so they're putting it out there that they want Cespedes or Gordon. 100% agree. I'd have to believe that everything at this point is pure spectulation. I'll start to believe things when guys like Rosenthal and Heyman start reporting stuff.

QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 07:57 PM) screw it, sign Gordon AND Upton I would cry tears of joy if this happened.

I will say that stealing Gordon away from KC would be a pretty nice feeling and it would show that the Sox mean business.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 06:22 PM) Maybe the Sox sign Cespedes on Christmas morning That would be an awesome present, and I'm Jewish lol.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 06:07 PM) Robert Brender ‏@robertbrender 47m47 minutes ago The Yoenis Cespedes market is picking up according to Richard Justice and Jerry Crasnick.Giants, O's, White Sox and Angels are possibilities Come on Ricky, get 'er done!!!