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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 12:19 PM) We're not trading for Fernandez. We don't have enough for him anyway, unless we counterintuitively traded Sale, or included Abreu. This thread was made to discuss the other teams trading for Fernandez, since PHT now includes general rumors. You've been here long enough to know that every thread on here ends with us talking about the Sox.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 12:14 PM) There would be more than just Rodon. If it was only Rodon I'd pack his bags and drive him to O'Hare right now. Can you explain why? I'd personally keep Rodon if it was a 1 for 1 deal for Fernandez. JoFer is more dominant when he's pitching, but the problem is that he's never pitching because he's always injured.

It won't happen, but imagine if he came to the Sox and what the rotation would look like afterwards? Sale/Fernandez/Quintana/Rodon/Fulmer Wow.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) If I was trading with the White Sox, Anderson, Montas, Adams and Fulmer would be all I really wanted. So no surprise here. If you had the last say, would you trade those 4 guys for Arenado? I probably wouldn't.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) The Sox have control of Sale though 2019. With the nagging fear of serious injury, and the regular nagging injuries keeping that have followed him around annually, I wouldn't be looking to extend him unless it was incredibly team friendly with options. What nagging injuries has he had?

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 11:57 AM) Didn't know we won the WS in 2012. This made me laugh.

Motte was actually pretty decent for the Cubs so I'm glad that he's gone.

This could be out of the box, but what if the Sox signed Chris Davis to play third base? That would be interesting to say the least.

I still think making Saladino the starting SS would be a major mistake.

If the Sox are planning on paying LaRoche's full salary to play ELSEWHERE, then they might as well keep him and hope he bounces back in 2016. Just my opinion.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 08:24 AM) Man they have some dumbass fans Is that really surprising to you? lmao

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 09:45 PM) be careful there.... know your sox pitchers and sox history. with that general ref there would have to have some stipulation and parameters to make an list of who qualifies. but i am like you at this time. he is a true #1 elite sp. At least for me, it's hard to compare Sale to the old timers (Walsh, Lyons, Faber, etc) because I never saw those guys play. Not to mention that the game was completely different back then.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 09:38 PM) same here, it like have always wanted mark burlhe to be a lifer.... money and shortsightedness on the owners. No offense to Buehrle, but from a pure talent standpoint, I believe that Sale is much, much better. I'd go as far as to say that Sale is one of the best pitchers to ever wear a White Sox uniform.

I still have this slight hope in my mind that Sale could be a White Sox lifer, but I'm not counting on it. It'd be awesome if it happened though.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 09:34 PM) Maybe if they could re-work his contract so he makes decent amount more each year the remainder of the contract and then bought more free agent years on top of it. I really like that idea. Maybe they could give him $5 million more a year if he agrees to extend his deal through 2021 or 2022. Good thinking.

If Hahn did plan on extending Sale, what kind of contract would he give him? 7 years and $150 million?

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 07:12 PM) I am honestly good with any one of the four OFs. I would prefer Heyward, Upton, Cespedes, Gordon. In that order probably Swap Upton and Cespedes and that is my list as well.

Would it be wrong for me to say that Sale is the most valuable pitching asset on the trade market when you factor in his age and salary/contract?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 06:16 PM) Agree. If I were a fan of another team and I looked at the Sox roster, outside of the obvious proven (not counting prospects) ones (Sale, Quintana, Rodon, Abreu, Eaton), I wouldn't want anyone else on that roster. Maybe a couple relievers but that's it. I'd possibly put Melky in that tier as well but I agree for the most part. It really is a shame that the rest of the team sucks because the core that the Sox have is absolutely elite.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:42 PM) It is weird how we have Robertson (ultra elite), Abreu (ultra elite) Sale and Q (ultra elite) and yet our team blows. (I can't put Melky in elite cause I'm a Melky/hater). We have a weird dynamic going on during the Robin-era. Agreed. It seems like there is a HUGE gap between the talent levels on the team. Like you said, there are a few guys that are absolutely elite and then the rest are terrible.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 04:58 PM) Sign OF Justin Upton 6 years/125 million Trade OF Trayce Thompson and SP Chris Beck for 3B Brett Lawrie Trade 1B Adam LaRoche, SP Frankie Montas, OF Avisail Garcia, and SP Tyler Danish for OF Carlos Gonzalez CF Adam Eaton (L) DH Melky Cabrera (S) 1B Jose Abreu LF Carlos Gonzalez (L) RF Justin Upton 3B Brett Lawrie C Alex Avila/Dioner Navarro 2B Carlos Sanchez (L) SS Tyler Saladino Thoughts? If they go all in like that, I'm 99.9% sure that Saladino wouldn't be the starting shortstop.

QUOTE (professa @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 04:04 PM) Sign Justin Upton to a 7/147M deal (MLBTR projection) Trade Avi Garcia+ for Brett Lawrie Sign Alexei Ramirez 1/7.5M Sign Matt Albers 1/2.5 Payroll: 135M (Current=~95M+10M(Arbitration) + 21(Upton) + 7.5(Alexei) + 2.5 (Albers)) Lawrie included in arbitration figure. I think JR can be convinced to spend more given what's coming off the books next year. Might as well go all in. VS RHP VS LHP 1. Eaton CF Eaton CF 2. Melky RF Melky DH 3. Abreu 1B Abreu 1B 4. Upton LF Upton LF 5. LaRoche DH Trayce RF 6. Lawrie 3B Lawrie 3B 7. Avila C Navarro C 8. Alexei SS Alexei SS 9. Sanchez 2B Sanchez Bench Saladino Navarro Trayce Shuck Rotation 1. Sale 2. Q 3. Rodon 4. Danks 5. EJ Pen 1. Robertson 2. Jones. 3. Duke 4. Albers 5. Petricka 6. Putnam 7. Jennings I could see them doing something similar to this although I'm still not sure if that is a playoff caliber team.

If the Sox plan on dealing Sale, I just don't see them finding a suitable return for him until mid 2017 or 2018 at the earliest. He's too valuable right now and no team will pay up for him.

I sometimes wonder if BlackSox13 and I are the same person because we agree on virtually everything concerning the Sox.

Is GreenSox intentionally trying to troll all of us or what?