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caulfield12; When JR bought the team from Bill Veeck, White Sox fans were overjoyed. The new owners were welcomed by virtually every White Sox fan. They actually had walkup crowds of 20,000 fans for some games. The Baseball strike of 1981 prevented the White Sox from drawing over 2 million fans for the first time. Here it is in the year 2018, JR is still owns the team and the entire team is a train wreck. Sometime, somewhere, someday, (hopefully soon) JR will sell the team and believe me no tears will be shed by White Sox fans when JR is no longer the owner. This team is bad and I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel as long as JR owns the team. I knew this was going to be a bad team this year but I didn't think it would be this bad. I wish he would sell the team and give somebody else a shot at running this franchise.

greg775; I agree with your thoughts. From what I can tell, we are in the minority amongst White Sox fans. This lovefest White Sox fans have for Hahn and this rebuild/tanking baffles me. This team is bad, maybe even historically bad and people seem to be buying into this. Bruce Levine has said numerous times that the only thing JR cares about more than the White Sox is his family. That has to be BS because if he cared that much about this team this team wouldn't be this bad.

He'll be long gone before 2020. The manager is always the first to go. I will be surprised if he makes it thru the 2019 season.

I keep hearing that losing/development is part of the process. For this rebuild/tanking to work both Fulmer and Giolito have to be good. So far they have not been good. If they keep this up in the month of May wouldn't it be better for everybody concerned if they both went back down to the minor leagues? I was at the game last night and it was another depressing performance by Giolito. Most of the 24,000 in attendance left the stadium after the 5th inning.

I thought signing Moustakas on the cheap would have been the right thing to do. The thing that bothers me about not signing him is that the White Sox are paying more money on a bum like Joakim Soria ($8 million) than what Moustakas is making this year ($6 million). Losing 100 games this 2018 season will not attract any quality free agents this coming off season. David Kaplan has already reported that the White Sox have no intentions of signing any big free agents this coming off season. I happen to believe it. I've felt right from the start that this so called rebuild/tanking will be done as cheaply as possible.

I realize at his age that this is the final stage of Steve Stones broadcasting career. I'm still surprised as to how he has become a total houseman for the White Sox organization and this rebuild/tanking. His constant comments about James Shields have become really tough to listen to. Repeating over and over as to how Shields is adding so much to the team borders on insanity.

I remember the 1970 team that lost 106 games. Unless things change I can see this 2018 team losing more games than the 1970 team. Some of the things done by this organization the last few years gives me the impression that they not interested in winning anytime soon. This is being done all in the name of rebuilding. I still think we're going to have a new owner here in the next 2 years. At least I hope so. This present situation looks absolutely hopeless and it looks like this can go on for years.

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 18, 2018 -> 08:57 AM) Good for them. I wish that my investments were as successful. Imagine the profits if fans actually showed up on a regular basis. JR has said numerous times that the franchise has always been more profitable with low payrolls/losing teams.

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 18, 2018 -> 07:22 AM) I've never been a fan of Reinsdorf overall, but at least he cares enough about the teams to try to win. Some ownership groups are just in it for the cash.Forbes Magazine said that the White Sox will have $260 in yearly revenue in 2018. The Sun Times said the White Sox team payroll (which is 28th in MLB) for 2018 will be $60 million dollars. JR and his investors are laughing all the way to the bank with this dismal team.

The 1970 White Sox lost 106 games. I'm convinced that this team can easily lose more games than the 1970 team. The entire team is bad. Hitting, pitching and defense is bad. More troubling are the performances of Anderson and Moncada. Anderson can't field and Moncada can't hit. Both of these players are being counted on to make things better. As of now they both look like they don't belong in the majors. I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel here with this so called rebuild/tanking. My only hope here is if things continue to be bad there will be major changes here in the front office. Or even better, JR puts the team up for sale.

QUOTE (Tony @ Apr 13, 2018 -> 09:59 AM) I also heard DeBartolo LOVED having a pen pal, so we kinda missed out there, too. Stupid Reinsdorf..... Have you noticed that JR has disappeared from the scene? He use to appear on TV and radio and would grant interviews with the papers. No more. He has been MIA for a long time.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 13, 2018 -> 08:32 AM) Of course you dont doubt it, you believe anyone if they tell you they are great and reinsdorf is terrible. I don't think JR is terrible. I think he's a great owner. After all the team has been at the bottom in the standings, attendance and TV ratings fro years. What more could any White Sox fan want from an owner? season tickets would be free for the fans that loved Eddie the most

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 13, 2018 -> 08:14 AM) Yea I’m sure Debartolo would have totally built a stadium with his own money I don't doubt it for a minute that DeBartolo would have built his own stadium. He made his fortune building shopping centers. I heard one of the writers from the Tribune on radio say that the new stadium would have been built next to a shopping center somewhere in the western suburbs.

There's a new book out published by the Chicago Tribune called A Decade by Decade History of the Chicago White Sox. Lots of interesting photos of past White Sox players and teams. I think one of the most interesting items in the book is how it tells that Edward DeBartolo wanted to buy the White Sox from Bill Veeck. The AL owners thought he might move the team out of state and he agreed to put in writing that he would keep the team in the Chicagoland area AND build a new stadium WITH HIS OWN MONEY. The AL owners still rejected his bid to buy the team. They then wound up approving JR as the owner, who in a few years threatened and almost moved the team to Florida. Having JR acquire the White Sox instead of DeBartolo has to be one of the worse things to ever happen to the White Sox franchise.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 11, 2018 -> 12:23 PM) Forbes valuations came out today. Yankees $4 billion. Sox $1.5 billion. Not bad. Maybe JR will sell the team now. $1.5 billion is a lot of moola.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 08:33 PM) Who do you think should be in charge, and why? Go. Last year I heard thru the grapevine that Hahns contract was going to be expired. I really thought he wouldn't be renewed. turns out I was wrong. But I really thought Hahn wouldn't be back. I figured afte 5 years of the team being "Mired In Mediocrity" he would be gone. I remember when Larry Himes was the GM for a few years. He drafted well and made some good trades and the team won 94 games in 1990. JR showed his appreciation after the season by not renewing his contract. JR even blasted Himes in the media saying he wasn't the man for the job and he didn't think he could bring the team from point C to point A. The White Sox almost made the Playoffs in 2012 and after the season JR made Hahn the GM. He has taken this team from Point C to almost Point Z. I thought Hahn wouldn't be back so I wrote JR a letter. I've had contact via the mail since 1981 with JR. At times he has responded to me. He has even help me acquire some items for my White Sox memorabilia collection. I wrote him a letter last year and told him if Hahn is not going to be rehired, I would like to interviewed for the job as the new GM. I'm not only a life long White Sox fan (something Hahn isn't), I think I'm a good evaluater of MLB talent If I was the GM of the team for 5 years and was as unsuccessful as Hahn has been I would walk out the door and hang my head in shame. I didn't get a response from JR to my letter.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 08:23 PM) You do know the Sox are in the middle of a rebuild, right? Right, and the thing that scares me is Hahn is the one in charge of the rebuild.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Apr 10, 2018 -> 07:14 PM) Regarding Rick Hahn, if this re-build does not work (See 2020), then I guaruntee you no one will love him. Right now it is a waiting game. And it is extremely difficult to remain patient. We are used to watching Sox teams that are SUPPOSED to win and don't. That's why we (including myself) are reacting this way. Except, this team isn't SUPPOSED to win. Hahn and co has even hinted at it himself. We are not supposed to win for a couple more years. Better get the popcorn and watch these players develop. My hope is in 2 years we will be saying (damn remember that 2018 season...I can't believe we watched that s***!!!) Yeah this team isn't suppose to win but still this looks like a out and out DISASTER. This team looks like it can rival the 1962 Mets team for losses. (They lost 120 games that season) Hahn has been here for 6 seasons, seasons "Mired in Mediocrity" as he has said. His contract should have never been renewed last year.

1) I never thought I would see a White Sox team as bad as the 1970 White Sox team, a team that lost 106 games. This 2018 White Sox team looks as bad so far this season. This team looks like it could easily lose over 100 games. When you have a starting rotation with only one starter with a ERA under 5.00 you're in trouble. 2) The thing that I simply can't understand is this lovefest some White Sox fans have for Rick Hahn. This is his 6th year as GM. He has yet to have one team with a winning record. The team has been near the bottom in standings, attendance, and Tv ratings during his 6 years. The Chicago Tribune doesn't even have beat reporter covering the team on a full time basis. After the 1970 season the White Sox made major changes in their management team. They brought in Roland Hemond and he helped turn things around. If this team continues to lose games I'm hoping there are some major changes in the front office at the end of the season. If Rick Hahn had been a GM for most other MLB teams and been this unsuccessful he would have been gone by now. 3) Both Abreu and Avi Garcia have indicated they would like to remain here with Chicago. I really wonder if that is true. I would like to think they wouldn't be too heartbroken going to a contending team. Chris Sale, Adam Eaton and Jose Quintana don't miss the White Sox one bit. I couldn't blame Abreu and Avi Garcia if they wanted out of here.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 6, 2018 -> 10:16 AM) I get what you're saying but it's possible he didn't attend that one. I was at the 1991 Opening Day. It was bad but the game was a blowout. The White Sox were never in the game. Yesterdays game should have been won by the White Sox.

1)Yesterday was my 48th Opening Day. I've been to good games, and bad games on Opening Day. Yesterdays loss was easily the ugliest loss on Opening Day that I have attended. The bullpen blowing the game and the terrible defensive play by L. Garcia was really ugly. 2)When Hahn Traded Robertson, Jennings Kahnle and Swarzak last season he left the team with one of the worse bullpens in the history of the team. At best I thought he might improve the bullpen this off season. I think its fair to say that this bullpen has not been improved. 3) I can't help but wonder if the game plan with this team is to have another bad season which will result in another high draft choice and a even lower team payroll. The White Sox are 28th in payroll and it could probably in lower next year. 4) One of my major beefs against Rick Hahn is his signing players who are not any good and paying and wasting millions of dollars on them. LaRoche, Keppinger, Holland and now Soria were all acquired By Hahn. All of them didn't produce and were paid millions of dollars. 5) Attendance. It was certainly cold at the game yesterday and I'm sure it didn't make anybody come to the game as a walkup. Still to only have 33,000 at the home opener is not exactly anything to be happy about. Most Opening Day tickets are usually sold out weeks in advance. This tells me more and more people are not buying into this rebuild. Yesterdays crowd might be the biggest crowd of the year. 6) I see this so called rebuild going on for years. I wish that JR would sell the team.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 09:45 PM) So he.. sucks? He not only sucks but trading our best bullpen man (David Robertson) for him was nuts. Is there anybody in this bullpen as good as Robertson?

The Sun Times had a list of MLB team payrolls for 2018 in todays paper. The White Sox were listed as being 28th with a team payroll of $73 million dollars. Obviously they can spend some money if they want to. We shall see if they actually do that.