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As of now this team is much worse than the 2016 White Sox. They've lost Sale and Eaton. They have not added a catcher, DH or another outfielder. It would be a miracle if this team became a contender. I don't believe in miracles.
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Trading off their major pieces is another low point in JRs ownership. At least the White Flag Trade was somewhat justified because they were going to lose the players they traded at the end of the year. Sale + Eaton were tied up for years. And their contracts were very team friendly. It was absolutely nuts to trade them for prospects. I see years of real bad teams on the SouthSide of Chicago. I hope I'm wrong.
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I don't want to see this team losing for years just to get a high draft choice. How many of those high draft choices turn out to be good? (Remember Jared Mitchell?) I've been told by numerous people that JR hates losing. It'll be curious to see how he reacts if this team keeps losing for years. I still think the team is going to be sold within 3 years. By that time this team won't have any big contracts on the books. It's alot easier to sell a team if it doesn't have any big contracts to payout.
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Assessing the White Sox Future and Hawk's Announcing Future
WBWSF replied to The Gooch's topic in Pale Hose Talk
After the 2017 White Sox lose over 100 games, Hawk will retire and ride off into the sunset. He won't want to be a part of a team that resembles the new version of the St. Louis Browns. -
1)I read where a couple of the pitching prospects the White Sox received the past few days have already had arm injuries. This is what we gave up 2 of our best players for. I wish I could put a better spin on this situation but I can't. I'm really worried that this franchise is going to return to the days of the 1968-1970 White Sox teams. I figure after a couple of 100 loss seasons we might be hearing rumblings of the franchise moving out of state and most people won't care if they leave. 2) I grew up in a family of White Sox fans and Chicago Cardinals fans. My older relatives always talked how the Chicago Cardinals traded off their best players in the late 1950s for bums. They traded future Hall of Famers Ollie Matson and Night Train Lane for a bunch of stiffs. The team was so bad during the 1950s (they averages 2 wins a year during the 1950s) that when they moved to St. Louis there was no sense of loss in the Chicagoland area. 3) I keep reading that the team is going to trade Quintana, Abreu, Cabrera, Robertson and Frazier. I have no doubt if that happens this team might challenge the 1962 Mets as the worse team ever in modern history. Maybe some people want to see this, but I sure don't. This team will become as bad as a expansion team. 4) Some people have posted that the new TV contract comes up before the 2019 season. After 2 bad 2017+2018 seasons does anybody really think that some TV station is going to give the White Sox a big TV contract? 5) I hope my above comments don't depress some people. Believe me, I want nothing better than to be wrong about my feelings. I really fear for the worse for this White Sox franchise. I simply don't see any light at the end of the tunnel.
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1) After the White Sox lose over 100 games during the 2017+2018 seasons, what free agent is going to want to play for the White Sox? The only way that happens is if the White Sox overpay for some players. Under JR that 's not going to happen. Hopefully the White Sox will have new ownership by then. 2) I talked to a friend of mine who knows alot about tax laws. I thought that JR wouldn't sell the team now because of taxes. My friend told me that the tax laws have changed and the taxes wouldn't be any different if he sold the team now rather than after he passes away. Maybe JR sells the team before he passes away and doesn't want his family to have the tax burden later. 3) When JR bought the team in 1981 he bought a team from Bill Veeck that didn't have any big time contracts on it. I read somewhere that there are no big contracts on this team going into the 2018 season. That should make it easier and more attractive for a new buyer/owner. 4) These next 2 seasons are going to be a total train wreck. This will probably turn out to be some of the darkest years in the franchise history. My only hope is that we get a new ownership to buy the team.
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I see the 2017 White Sox team with one of the worse offenses in MLB. Runs are going to be scarce this year. If they trade Frazier + Abreu things will only get worse. The team has already made 2 trades neither of which has improved the team offensively for the 2017 season. The 2016 team scored 3 or less runs in half their games. Does anybody think it will be better in 2017? I certainly don't see the team signing any free agents like EE from Toronto. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 2017 payroll half of what it was in 2016.
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The White Sox organization haven't been doing everything they can to win. Signing LaRoche and Dunn isn't exactly going for it. It would have been better to sign premier free agents like Cespedes. Wasn't Albert Belle the last big name free agent signed for BIG money by the team? They'll spend millions of dollars on Keppinger, Avi Garcia and Lawrie but won't give big money to decent ballplayers. If this team goes to complete hell this 2017 season I wouldn't be surprised to see this team draw less than one million fans this year. I read elsewhere that one of the pitching prospects the team wants from Washington has already had arm problems. Do they really think he can replace Sale in the rotation? I'm not one to preach doom and gloom but I don't see anything good coming from this so called rebuid.
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I don't know how any White Sox fan could be pleased with trading Sale and Abreu for prospects. This whole situation scares me to death. I can easily see this team losing over 100 games FOR YEARS if these trades are made. I think its madness to do that. It would be much easier to add to this team rather than subtract/rebuild. Trading off their best players for prospects could turn this franchise into its worse era since the 1930s. I hope I'm wrong about this but that's how I see it. If anybody thinks this team is irrelevant now in the Chicagoland area, it will only get worse after a few 100 loss seasons.
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Dunt: I agree with you 100%. Add a couple of hitters (Puig & Wieters or EE), Keep Sale + Quintana and go for it.
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The White Sox keep both Sale and Quintana. They then trade either Robertson or Jones to LA for Puig. They then sign Matt Weiters to catch for the team.
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The White Sox have acquired bad NL talent like Jackson, Keppinger Dunn and LaRoche. The team would have been better off signing a expensive major talent like Cespedes.
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I'd rather have McCutcheon starting in center field for the White Sox than Tilson the next 2 seasons. If the team can get him from the Pirates for some common prospects, I would do it in a heartbeat. Starting Tilson in center over McCutcheon isn't rebuilding, it's nuts in my opinion.
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If the Pirates move McCutchen, I would sure like to see him playing centerfield the next 2 seasons in a White Sox uniform.
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The more I've thought about this maybe LA would take Nate Jones for Puig. I would definitely take the chance on Puig if it was just Jones. Everybody seems to think Puig is poison. Maybe you wouldn't have to give up a Robertson to acquire him.
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1) I would trade Robertson for Puig in a heartbeat. 2) Then sign Cespedes. 3) Keep Sale and Quintana and see how 2017 plays out.
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2016-17 free agency thread (NON WHITE SOX RELATED)
WBWSF replied to southsider2k5's topic in The Diamond Club
Now that Castro has signed with the Twins, I can't help but wonder who the White Sox are going to have as their catcher in 2017. Are they going to bring back Avila? Are they interested in Wieters? -
There has been all this speculation as to what type of team the White Sox will have in 2017. I just wish that they would do whatever they're going to do as soon as possible. If they are going to trade Sale, Quintana, Abreu, Eaton, Frazier and Robertson. Or if they are going to sign some free agents, I wish they would just do it and get it over with. At least the fans will know which way this team is going.
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Four year control guys off the table(JQ,Nate,Eaton)
WBWSF replied to Princess Dye's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Scoots; I hope you're right. I would rather build around them rather then trade them for ballplayers who aren't that good. -
I wouldn't be surprised to see Rodon traded. He made a comment before the season ended about how it would be a sad day if Sale was traded from the White Sox. I was under the impression that Hahn wasn't too thrilled with Rodons comments about Sale being traded. The team might have a situation where both Sale and Rodon will be traded. We'll have a Triple AAA pitching staff if those two are moved.
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Frazier wants to stay, doesn't want Sox to trade Sale
WBWSF replied to Sockin's topic in Pale Hose Talk
God bless Todd Frazier. I agree with his assessment of the team and Sale. I hope the team signs Frazier this off season to a long term contract. -
I wish I could be as positive about a rebuilt White Sox team like some of the people who post here. I've seen enough lousy White Sox teams in my lifetime and I'm really worried about a 2017 rebuilt White Sox team. Trading Sale, Quintana. Eaton. Abreu, Calbrera. Frazier and Robertson might appeal to some people but it doesn't to me. I don't want to see a team that is a expansion team. The stadium will be a ghost town if that happens. Trading their best players for prospects will lead this franchise into its darkest years since the 1930s. I'm real curious to see how this off season plays out. I can't believe that JR (at his age) wants to see a White Sox team that will compared to the 1962 Mets. Last but not least, I'm still hoping the team signs Cespedes.
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It scares me to think that they are going to trade Sale for prospects. I'm almost afraid to find out what the White Sox are going to get in return for him.
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This has to make you wonder who the White Sox are going to have at catcher in 2017. I would like to think that McCann would have been a upgrade over their present catchers.
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How would you feel emotionally if/when Sale is traded?
WBWSF replied to ChiSoxFanMike's topic in Pale Hose Talk
At the end of the season Carlos Rodon said it would be a sad day for the team if Chris Sale is no longer pitching for the White Sox.